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What path to break into physical commodity trading?
Enrolled in a Finance Msc in the Netherlands I'm interested in breaking into the physical commodity trading industry. I wondered if someone had any advice on how to approach it, how to document myself, and which commodity is best to start with. Are graduate programs at ABCD's the way to go? If I...
Commodity Trading vs Credit AM
Currently have 2 offers for sophomore summer: 1. Credit focused asset manager in NY. Relatively smaller shop that does really well with CLOs but also invests in leveraged loans, HY bonds, and has an alternative credit HF arm. Newer firm but they are very sharp and the seniors are very well known in...
Commodity Trader? Career Path?
HI all! I have launched a forum to seek advice on my future career. I am a Japanese, currently enrolled in a Bachelor of Econ at a top school in Oceania. Recently, I have received an offer to become a commodity trader in Japan, and my superiors and executives are expressing expectations for me to...
What are the steps and compliance to start our own prop trading firm (commodities)
I've been very curious, if one has to start his own prop firm mainly in commodities, What are the compliances and rules I've to adhere, And what are the profit sharing ratio to their traders. Taking the reference of some of big market makers (Dare, onxy). Its mind blowing to see with few employees...
Global Markets Structuring at local bank v.s. Commodity Trading at trading house
hi guys, as what the title suggests, debating between two offers. i've seen people say "choose the industry, not the job/role/etc" and i'm using that as a basis to make the decision. list of considerations to choose between offers: brand name & comp: the commodity trading offer is at one of the big...
How did Goldman Sachs commodities head Emerson made $100M in last three years?
I've always been curious to know how is the payout structure/bonuses of traders at IB get? How did Goldman's Emerson earned more than it's CEO? At JPMorgan, the associate level traders have a base pay of $100K+, but I've never found how much bonuses do they get? According to bloomberg's recent news,...
Commodity Trader? Career Path?
HI there! I recently graduated with a Bachelor of Commerce from a Go8 university in Australia and received an offer for a position as a commodity trader at a top energy company in Asia. I will likely be handling LNG Gas or electricity. Initially, I'll be dealing with Physical commodities, with the...
Ammonia Trading
Hello WSO crowd, Do we have any ammonia traders here? I see a spike in interest among many shipping cos. recently ordering new VLACs and ULACs. Any comments on this? Will ammonia market become a next big think in the next 5-10 years? Anyone actively trading (physical) NH3, assuming paper is not very...
Top Environmental Trading Desks
Hello monkeys. I've been a trader for a few years now, primarily in physical oil and associated paper markets. I'm interested in a new realm- environmental markets. Specifically emissions. The most relevant exposure in my career has been RINs and LCFS on the refined products side. I haven't touched...
How to get an entry level job in physical commodity trading?
I am recent graduate from university and am very interested in getting into physical trading (primarily oil but open to other commodities). I applied to a few graduate programmes, but they have not been so promising so far...I am now looking at other options but am confused where to focus my time...
HELP: Need commodity industry insight
I am applying for a college program and have to answer the following questions to be considered for the program. I have done some research but there is limited unbiased information you can find on the topics. Can some industry professionals provide some insight on the following questions? 1. Should...
How to break into Commodity Trading and Internship - Summer 2024
Hey, I am pretty new to this forum, so I am not sure if my question has been answered before. A little background info for you guys, a University of Michigan student studying Economics, avg GPA, interning as a Benefit Advisor with Aflac, and have some insurance broker experience. Have been...
Shell Trader Development Program
What is the Shell Trader Development program like? Does everyone end up in trading roles? How does it compare to BPs program? What does progression look like vs trading at a BB? What about exit opportunities to hedge funds? Is it better to have experience in commodities trading at a BB or an oil...
Physical Commodity Trading career: If you started over again.
Evening all, at first I wanted to pursue a career in AM or IB, but since learning more about the Commodity Trading space, it just seems to resonate with me more. Not having a degree, I'm seeking for alternative routes into the sector with the aim of being a Physical Commodity Trader. Something left...
I feel stuck......
Tbh, this is more of a rant than anything.A little background on my career. Started as an analyst on a small-ish commods firm on the energy desk. Gradually worked my way up to trader over the next couple of years. As did most commods spec desks, we did really well over the covid years. That said,...
Physical Coffee Trading
Afternoon fellas, Hope everyone is well. I was just wondering if anyone has any information generally on working at a top physical coffee trading company (Sucafina, ECOM etc.)? More specifically, I'm trying to get more information on: 1.What is work/life balance like? Is it exciting to work in and...
Received an Energy Trading interview with a Major Trading Firm - Need Advice
I have an interview coming up and I know for a fact they will ask me how to put together a trading strategy. Assuming the commodity traded is oil, could anyone provide me the basics of forming a general trading strategy + anything I should mention to impress them? Would appreciate this!
Houston Spring 2023 Meet
Moving thread over from offtopic to trading chat. Calling all Houston monkeys Do any of you all have interest in getting together over drinks in the future? Perfect weather to meet and greet out at a patio bar. Happy to organize something. Would be great to form some new connections in town and have...
Houston Spring 2023 Meet
Calling all Houston monkeys Do any of you all have interest in getting together over drinks in the future? Perfect weather to meet and greet out at a patio bar. Happy to organize something. Would be great to form some new connections in town and have an excuse to knock back beers. I'm a gasoline...
IB exit into commodity trading?
Hi, guys I've seen the job description for a Commercial Analyst Role at Vitol. The role says "enabling strong candidates to get immersed in a P&L driven environment", meaning that strong candidates can get a promotion to real trading. In their description, they also state "1-2 years in a commercial,...
Commodity Trading - A decent job?
Is commodity trading in a trading house (Cargill, Glencore, etc..) a decent job? What is its future and development of it? Will it be better than the commodity trading in the banks?
Trafigura Commodity Graduate Program - Accepted, What to expect ?
Any idea what to expect from the Graduate Program of Trafi ? I’m terms of responsibilities etc ? Thanks
BP/Trafi/Vitol GDP Program - Best Junior Year Internship?
I've been lurking through all the old threads on here about the GDP programs at BP/Trafi/Vitol and want to hear some perspective on what junior year internship would be best suited to receiving an offer at one of these GDP programs. Currently, a rising junior and thinking about pursuing a...
2023 Commodities Internship Programs
Didn't see a thread for this, so I figured I'd start one. Does anyone have info about 2023 com trading internships. I know Macquarie wrapped up 2023 accelerated, and Citi/BAML are still open. Any others?
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Mastic Group - Trader Training
Mastic Group (Kieran McKenna’s company) have launched trader training courses taught by the man himself. Kieran, for anyone who doesn’t know, was one of the most successful oil traders of the last few decades (Goldman, Deutche, MD at JP, Credit Suisse & Glencore). He’s now passing his...
Commodity Trader Training Course
Hi guys, I mentioned a new trader training course in a thread the other day and have had a lot of messages about it so thought I would start a new one for anyone who is interested. Kieran McKenna (one of the biggest names in oil trading in the last 20 years - ex. Goldman Sachs, Citadel, JPMorgan and...
Salary at Cargill/Bunge etc.
Hi I am currently considering to start a career in physical commodity trading. I've been trying to figure out how much money can be made at companies like Cargill for a while now. I am particularly interested in the amount of money that can be earned after 5 years of experience in the Netherlands.
Macquarie Psychometric Assessment
I have a psychometric assessment due in 48h for Macquarie's commodities SA program. Anyone have any insights? I've read some stuff on here, but nothing incredibly useful.Thanks in advance.
Q&A: MM HF investment role out of non target ugrad
To get the typical q’s out of the way: Fund type - blue chip MM/MS Group - macro/commodities (commodities focused, won’t be more specific for anonymity) YOE/TC - in 3rd year, comp was ~ analyst 3 BB ish year 1, associate 3 BB ish year two. Base + 150, 300% roughly. First really big base bump...
Whether to choose LSE or Cass?
I am currently a third-year undergraduate student in Commerce. I am extremely passionate about Shipping and Physical Commodities. I had applied to Cass's MSc Shipping, Trade, and Finance and have got an acceptance letter. However, I am also interested in History and Economics. I had applied to MSc...
Gunvor Situation
A lot of people know their firm is going to die. https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/gunvor-getting-f… Blood in the water
Are BBanks getting back into phys commodity trading again?
I trade phys gas and recently came across a couple of banks trading physicals on ICE more and more for a larger amount of hubs and regions. What're y'all's thoughts?
ABCD Commodity Trading Job Offer (1st Job): Salary Expectations & Negotiation Tips
Hi All, I just graduated from college, and I am near the end of my internship at an ABCD commodity trading house. A few interns and I have been told that we will be receiving our FT offer in the coming 1-2 weeks. Additionally, my mentor at the company told me that the salary would start at...
where to find/hire traders or commodities trading specialists as a freelancer consutant
Anyone with some ideas where to find and hire a professional traders or commodities trading bizdev specialist as a freelancer (physical commodities) ? I have some questions related to sourcing, and day-to-day operations. I was trying on different platforms but without success. I have even tried with...
Cargill -Trade and capital market(TCM) associate
Hi all, Wanted to know about Cargill TCM associate program. Little bit of my background- 1 yr exp in Research(similar to junior trader) at ag commodity firm(one of ABD) competitor to Cargill. Expected to become trader in 3-5 yrs timeframe. I really like to be in markets front desk and doesn't want...
How to politely decline an offer
Hi, my dilemma is the following: I joined a commodities trading firm (oil & gas) just three months ago in Switzerland. Had to move from London, which was quite a big move. The salary is really good, the job is challenging and seems to be interesting so far (I'm a trading assistant, fresh graduate),...
Advice for a physical commodity career
Hello everyone! I am very interested in building a career in physical commodity trading, especially in the metal industry, but I am also very keen to work with agricultural commodities. I need advice since I am already 22 years old and have no academic background related to business or science. I am...
Where can I find international hard commodity buyers?
For a while now, I’ve been trying to find international hard commodity buyers. So far There has been no luck. Can you suggest an online platform for that? I’m dealing mainly in steel, aluminum, plastics. Your help is most appreciated.
Career in Commodity Trading: FO Internship + MSc Finance or full-time ABCD?
Tough choice ahead of me... I will graduate in 2021 from a non-target, undergraduate uni. I am keen to start a career in commodity trading with a focus on oil/gas/minerals/freight (I worked one year in the trading function of a major European utility), and there are two paths I could follow: I have...
Front Office Internship + MSc in Finance or Full-Time ABDC?
Tough choice ahead of me... I will graduate in 2021 from a non-target, undergraduate uni. I am keen to start a career in commodity trading with a focus on oil/gas/minerals/freight (I worked one year in the trading function of a major European utility), and there are two paths I could follow: 1. I...
ABCD Commodity Trading Salary Expectations
Hi all, I have accepted a commodity trading internship at an ABCD over the summer. If I get a FT offer, I was wondering what the salary is for year 1, 2, and 3? My friend received an 69k + 9k bonus from another Commodity Firm. Additionally, I received offers from a consulting company (74k + bonus)...
Cargill Commodity Trading Internship
I recently received an internship offer from Cargill for their commodities trading desk. I wanted to learn more about the program and its overall reputation. Any information on long-term prospects and growth opportunities is also welcomed. I was also wondering what are the exit ops? One thing that...
Trafigura Careers - Invitation to Cultural Interview
Hello everyone, I am currently a Data Scientist in Fixed Income and just applied for the Tra Graduate in Energy. I have been invited for the Cultural interview which is basically behaviour questions. Do you have any examples on how to respond regarding to the culture of the Trafigura? Like, should I...
Getting into Commodity Trading game without a degree ?
Hi Community, I'm 25 years old, EU citizen with psychology degree from no name university in central Europe. I have been working for 4 years in software development industry, but I feel like I burned out from working in software development and would like to start new carrier path and I find...
Glencore or Trafigura graduate program? (or others)
Background: Undergrad student looking to jump into physical metals trading (main interest is in copper, zinc, lead concentrates) Just trying to get a better understanding of the differences in the way these firms are run and, ultimately, which offers better prospects for a grad entering the space....
Best Trading Shop for Crude-by-Rail Scheduler
Hey everyone, I am a scheduler for a small O&G company. I studied economics at a Canadian school and worked a year in an operations role for a Class I railroad after graduation before moving to the customer side. All the people I've heard of going from scheduler to trader on this forum come from...
Physical Commodities Trading Startup
Hello there fellow hominids! It's been quite a long while since I came through here and a lot has happened since then. Diving right in the story, last I was here, I was a banker working in a commercial bank in the middle east, running an international banking desk. I called it quits a couple of...
Entering Commodities Trading from Operations Background
Good evening, I am writing to ask this forum for some career advice. Currently, I work for a supermajor oil & gas company doing a variety of operations/procurement-focused roles, however I am looking to potentially move into commodities trading, leveraging my oil & gas supply chain experience and...
ACT Commodities & Entering Commodities Trading
Hello all, I was recently contacted by a firm called ACT Commodities, which specializes in the niche environmental commodities trading space. They are a small Dutch-based firm trading a variety of environmental commodities, such as renewable energy, biofuels, etc. After talking to their HR staff, it...
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