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Equities vs. Derivatives trading

RodneyBro20's picture
RodneyBro20
     
 
(Baboon, 109
 
Points)
 on 5/3/13 at 10:56pm

Why do the BBs and institutions seem to have more derivative traders than pure stock traders? I currently am doing proprietary trading, and noticed how my friends from HS/college who did trading pro at one point were NOT trading stocks. Is this going to be a problem for me if I try to exit?

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Wealth Management BB vs BB Sales and Trading (Regional Office)

career's picture
career
     
 
(Senior Chimp, 23
 
Points)
 on 5/3/13 at 6:49pm

I have offers from both these, pay is the same, interested in both, not sure if I would be good at S&T but fancy a shot at it. Was wondering peoples opinions on the choice. Also what can senior wealth managers get paid? and if I went into the investments side of the business doesnt that open my doors to Asset Management? I would also like to move to a more central office if I took the S&T offer, what are the chances of me making the switch?

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Most Quantitative Trading Desks (At BB S&T)?

cauchymonkey's picture
cauchymonkey
     
 
(Baboon, 136
 
Points)
 on 3/28/13 at 10:58am

Not including "quant trading"

Self-explanatory title. Also, how does equity derivatives compare with fixed income derivatives?

Thanks!

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After reading Monkey Business (and a bit of Liar's Poker)

black mamba22's picture
black mamba22
      IB
 
(Baboon, 127
 
Points)
 on 3/15/13 at 5:26pm

So Troobie and Rolfe went on to hedgefunds after IBD? I thought usually the S&T guys go to hedgefunds, and the IBD guys usually go to PE? Is this normal?

Also, and please understand this isn't meant to offend, as I have yet to step foot inside an investment bank to do work, but what do S&T guys do that is so hard? I understand you need to multitask on phones and put in orders during trading time, but do you need to stay in the office that late ever? It just seems that after reading the WSO compensation report and seeing that S&T gets paid higher (analysts), on top of the fact that their work seems easier (at least from reading these books), I may have chosen the wrong side of the fence with IBD, considering that both S&T and IBD seemed appealing to me.

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Firm Brand Name vs. Location vs. Function

wallstreaking's picture
wallstreaking
     
 
(Chimp, 5
 
Points)
 on 2/9/13 at 10:53pm

Hey guys,

I was wondering what job you would pick out of these in terms of most learning, most prestige, best exit opportunities, most pay and any other factors you think would be relevant. As you can see, the jobs cover multiple functions, locations and firms which is why I'm having trouble seeing which one is best. Your thoughts would be very helpful, thanks!

1. Bank of America Merrill Lynch - Houston - Commodities Sales & Trading Analyst
2. JPMorgan - New York - Treasury and Securities Services Analyst
3. Wells Fargo - San Francisco - Fixed Income Analyst
4. Boutique Investment Bank - New York - Investment Banking Analyst

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JPM HK S&T 2013 SA Offers?

banbanmoomani's picture
banbanmoomani
      ST
 
(Senior Chimp, 21
 
Points)
 on 1/31/13 at 6:50pm

Anyone heard back and received offers after the superday?
All this waiting is making me feel like vomiting every minute

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RBC Global Markets Program

canadian187's picture
canadian187
     
 
(Chimp, 4
 
Points)
 on 11/20/12 at 7:24pm

Does anyone have any insight or knowledge on RBC's Global Markets Program? Specifically where it ranks among other Canadian banks' summer programes, as well as the competitiveness of applicants. Much appreciated.

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Sales -> Trading?

jesus of nazareth's picture
jesus of nazareth
     
 
(Senior Baboon, 242
 
Points)
 on 10/6/12 at 4:58pm

How easy is it to switch from sales to trading on a different desk at the same bank?

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Rotational vs. FT Sales Program

flz401's picture
flz401
     
 
(Senior Chimp, 27
 
Points)
 on 10/5/12 at 2:57pm

Hey guys. I have a few interviews coming up and was wondering your thoughts. Obviously I will dig deeper into this once I get offers but Im just wondering for now.

Would you rather do the Options Rotational Program and Raymond James at the Headquarters---- vs.------ Institutional Sales Assistant and a small IBank (Around 400MM Revenues) at a satellite office --------vs -------- consulting at a big4 (PwC, EY -- or even GT and Mcgladery).

Would like to to I-Banking. I have been working (interning) in ECM on the Research Sales desk and have done some work with a banker but I gotten much exposure to the market and clients; but I have learned a lot about how these banks work -- probably due to the locations and the small number of employees here.

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Reality of the Sales and Trading MBA Internship?

sterl17's picture
sterl17
     
 
(Chimp, 4
 
Points)
 on 9/19/12 at 10:09pm

What does the market look like for MBA Sales and Trading internships for summer of 2013? It seems like opportunities might be few and far between. Does anyone have an educated guess? Any expectations?

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GS Entrepreneurs

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HackTheGibson
     
 
(Senior Chimp, 21
 
Points)
 on 9/2/12 at 9:38am

Should I enroll in GS's entreprenuarial deposit series?

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At what point in your life did you get interested in finance?

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prudentinvestor
     
 
(Orangutan, 317
 
Points)
 on 8/24/12 at 4:00am
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I've been active on this site for a few months now. It is clear that the demographic range is large in a myriad of senses. Ever so often there is a college freshman or the occasional high school student posting questions about recruiting, interviews, targets, etc. I always found those posts surprising and an oddity.

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Resume review for Sales and Trading

delta598's picture
delta598
     
 
(Senior Monkey, 87
 
Points)
 on 8/6/12 at 9:14am

Hey all,

I am rising junior at Umich Ross who is planning on pursuing a career in Sales and Trading. I am primarily gunning for the HK office S&T due to my desire to work in the emerging markets

Here is my resume and please just go at it!
http://www.razume.com/documents/26788

Thanks in advance

Omitted from resume
* Investment club activity
* University Research
*Habitat for Humanity

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Investment Banking vs Sales and Trading Salaries

Gekko93's picture
Gekko93
      ST
 
(Baboon, 160
 
Points)
 on 7/31/12 at 9:08pm

I've done a lot of searching and surprisingly, there hasn't been much discussion on this topic and there's no clear cut answer. It seems like trading salaries and banking salaries are more or less the same. Can someone confirm this? If so, why are so many more people willing to pull in 40+ additional hours per week for the same pay?

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Oil Trading vs FX

bankboi's picture
bankboi
     
 
(Monkey, 61
 
Points)
 on 7/4/12 at 12:43pm

If you guys had to choose between interning on an oil trading desk at a BB that deals mostly in derivative contracts tied to various products or an FX options desk at a BB which would you pick? Assuming that in terms of cultural fit you would be indifferent, I'd love to hear your opinion, maybe taking into account the future of these desks in terms of regulation, pay, job security, etc... Thanks!

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How does HSBC Chief Investment Office intern look on a resume for summer between sophomore and junior year?

delta598's picture
delta598
     
 
(Senior Monkey, 87
 
Points)
 on 6/19/12 at 12:29am

Hi, I am currently interning at a corporate finance division for a month at one of China SOE backed boutiques. However, I just went through a HSBC HK superday for Global Asset Management Chief Investment Office portfolio risk and analytics intern. If I am fortunate enough to receive this offer, could I use these experience to leverage myself for BB S&T internships in junior year?

Or would it just be completely irrelevant and not help me stand out and etc...

Additional info
I go to a target (Ross), and have a 3.6 gpa

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How Does Electronic Bond-Trading Affect S&T?

Proposition Joe's picture
Proposition Joe
      ST
 
(Baboon, 111
 
Points)
 on 6/14/12 at 12:27pm

Just read this article in the Wall Street Journal:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100014240527023034...

It says essentially that the banks are trying to develop an electronic bond trading platform that would reduce the need for Wall Street desks to take and fill orders from larger clients. How would something like this affect a Sales desk at a BB? Would it reduce the need for Salesmen the way people say Equities sales will be hit? Why would banks want any part of this, if presumably it would cut off a major source of revenue?

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Queen's versus LSE?

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Powa23
     
 
(Orangutan, 291
 
Points)
 on 6/1/12 at 3:04pm
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Howdy Monkeys,

This is more for my cousin since I'm near graduation already. My cousin has just been admitted to Queen's Commerce and also the London School of Economics and has till the end of June to decide. QC has pretty good placement but its pretty clear that LSE is much highly regarded in these forums.

However the course he has been admitted to is Economic History, not the flagship Economics or Government degree.
I'm trying to encourage him to go to London but can anybody on this forum shed light on if degrees matter for recruiting at LSE? I don't want him to go to LSE if the kids in the Economic courses gets all the recruiting and he gets screwed.

Much appreciation guys!

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How to reconnect with an MD/VP after not emailing them for months?

rs12's picture
rs12
     
 
(Senior Monkey, 76
 
Points)
 on 5/25/12 at 11:14am

Hey Guys,

I know this has probably been covered before, but I wanted some suggestions on how I can write an email to a VP who I didn't contact for a few months after I was rejected from a first round interview (I told him how the interview went, but never followed up). I was just not sure what to say and how to craft my email. Any suggestions on how I word my email just to say hello and see what's up. I appreciate the help

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Sales Vs. Investment Banking

Alimbo's picture
Alimbo
      ST
 
(Monkey, 30
 
Points)
 on 5/12/12 at 2:47pm

Hey guys, this is my first ever thread, so sorry if it could be in a more relevant forum or something.

I'm an A level student in the UK, so if you're American and reading this, I'm still at high school. I'm hoping to study Politics at the LSE, or perhaps Warwick. For a couple of months now, I've been torn between what I want to do in life.

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Will Algo Trading Take Over?

jesus of nazareth's picture
jesus of nazareth
     
 
(Senior Baboon, 242
 
Points)
 on 5/9/12 at 5:14am
trading.jpg

Was just talking with a few people from work, who have been in S&T for a fair amount of time. We seem to agree that algo trading is the way to go in the near future. Computerization appears to be the trend, since it's cheaper and faster. Banks already spend huge amount of money on building their algo teams.

However, is it possible that algo trading is really going to "take over"? Are regulations likely to backlash?

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S&T internship during the year

watever's picture
watever
     
 
(Monkey, 51
 
Points)
 on 5/4/12 at 4:15pm

Hey guys,

I was just wondering how common a sales and trading internship is during the school year. I'm going to be a sophomore in NYC this fall.

I know a few kids working in different industries, but not in S&T. Is it realistic to get one without a really good connection? How should I try to find one?

On a side note, I'm interning at an IDB (not ICAP but as reputable one) this summer. Would this help me get into S&T and would that be a good way to network into the industry?

Thanks in advance

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FX Sales: Comparisons to sales in other desks?

markets's picture
markets
     
 
(Monkey, 61
 
Points)
 on 4/17/12 at 6:45am

Hello everyone! I want to break into Sales and Trading!

I've searched all over this forum to find anything related to FX Sales, but I wasn't able to gain much information on what it is that makes it so different from sales roles in other desks.

Could you guys please explain to me what the major differences are?

One of the comments of the topics I found on FX sales said that FX Sales is very different from what other sales roles are. He said something like constantly informing clients the market information instead of actual selling. I didn't quite catch what it really meant, though.

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Sales vs. Trading

jcsiv's picture
jcsiv
     
 
(Senior Chimp, 17
 
Points)
 on 3/28/12 at 10:16pm

Hey Guys I know this subject as come up before, but I would appreciate some clarification. I am currently in high school and I enjoy reading about the different roles in Finance. One area that continues to confuse me is that of Sales and Trading. What is the difference? Are traders similar to stock brokers? Do people in Sales work with the markets? If not, what do they do? I would really appreciate any feedback. Thanks.

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BB Alternative Investments vs BB S&T for HF exit ops

commoditydream's picture
commoditydream
     
 
(Chimp, 5
 
Points)
 on 3/25/12 at 3:48pm

Hi everyone,

I have 2 exploding offers from 2 different BBs, one in the Alternative Investment arm and one in S&T. For the Alternative Investments one, I would be working in one of their direct investments group (not FOF), while for the S&T will be rotational.

Could you please help me choose between these offers? Which offer would give me better exit ops to HF, career/salary progression, entry to business school (if I ever decide to do so), prestige, etc? I appreciate all your answers.

This is my first post, so I'm sorry if I posted this on the wrong subforum.

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Ideas for finding Junior Trader interns

oompaboompa's picture
oompaboompa
     
 
(Senior Monkey, 71
 
Points)
 on 3/25/12 at 11:47pm
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After about five years in S+T at various banks and buyside shops, I am starting up a hedge fund based in NYC and focused on Asian markets. Most of the securities we trade are OTC equity and currency derivatives. We commenced trading with 10 million usd in partner capital and have a lot on our plate between raising investment assets and monitoring the markets during odd hours of the day.

Basically we are trying to think of decent ways to find junior traders for helping out with the day-to-day tasks. These would range from scanning/printing trade confirmations to going on lunch runs to doing analysis on FX trades using Bloomberg, Reuters, etc. In other words, typical junior trader stuff.

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SA?

winningduh's picture
winningduh
     
 
(Monkey, 55
 
Points)
 on 3/19/12 at 5:16pm

What does the SA in sales & trading SA mean?

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Fixed Income Sales and Trading Headhunters

donalduck's picture
donalduck
      EN
 
(Chimp, 7
 
Points)
 on 3/18/12 at 9:48pm

I was wondering if Headhunters usually reach out to junior people within Sales and Trading.. I work in structuring at BB and haven't really seen people getting calls from headhunters..

whats the best way to get in touch with head hunters for open positions in fixed income and PE shops?

Is it common practice for S&T not get as much exposure?

Finally - can anyone send me some names of headhunters I can reach out too?

Thanks so much for the help!

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Please Rank These Firms

Charles-perry's picture
Charles-perry
     
 
(Orangutan, 273
 
Points)
 on 3/14/12 at 1:03pm

Please can you rank these firms in terms of prestige, trading platform, usefulness for resume purposes, etc. Any other comments are welcome.

(all London branches btw - you don't need to rank them all. just pick the top 3 or something)

Ares
BMO Financial Group
BNY Mellon
Hermes
GAM
Exotix
ROGGE
MergerID
Gamma Finance
Hermes BPK Partners
Hutchinson Lilley Investments
Mansard Capital
KNG Securities
Alcentra

Is it more important to work at a desk that you may want to be at in the future e.g. FX desk at a small shop, then work your way to a BB? Or can you 'move around' in trading?

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Nomura S&T Summer Analyst 2012

chaiwallah's picture
chaiwallah
     
 
(Chimp, 5
 
Points)
 on 3/4/12 at 12:21am

I will be working in Nomura's Global Markets division this summer. I was wondering if anyone had advice on what I could do to prep for this internship in the months ahead of summer? Tips from any past SAs will be helpful (even if not in Nomura)

Did anyone intern at Nomura last summer? What was the full-time offer rate like? And any tips on how to be successful there?

Thanks!

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