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Trading Discipline - What have you done to get pass the feeling of "it'll go back up so i won't sell now" mentality?

Jabber Monkey's picture
Jabber Monkey
     
 
(Chimp, 4
 
Points)
 on 5/20/13 at 2:25pm

This has been something that's a complete plague for me for the longest time. As I got older I look pass it but every now and then this comes back to me and haunts me every time I make a trade.

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Any other traders going to b-schools this fall?

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mbavsmfin
     
 
(Senior Orangutan, 482
 
Points)
 on 4/25/13 at 11:14pm

I know there already is a big mba thread, but i would like to devote this one to traders or ex-traders. If you guys don't mind, post stats, what type of trading, schools applied to, results, and where you will be heading this fall. There aren't that many of us, so we should stick together!

I will get things started.

HYPSM undergrad, econ major, 3.78 gpa, 780 gmat, BB trading on an exotic rates derivatives desk. Applied to HBS, Wharton, Booth, Columbia. Dinged at HBS after interview, accepted at the others. Starting Wharton this fall.

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Oil Vs Gas Vs Power Trading, Which one to chose

TheHoustonFlight's picture
TheHoustonFlight
     
 
(Monkey, 61
 
Points)
 on 1/4/13 at 6:10pm

Hi,

Interested in learning from others on what its like to establish / specialize in each of the 3 big energy commodities. How easy is it to transition from one to the other? I would assume Gas to/from Power have a fairly easily transition ?

Also, what is future career route and exit opp (just in case if one find it isn't suitable) for Gas trader Vs Oil Traders Vs power traders. Which one has the most international demand and the most lucrative in terms of industry compensation, turnover and the level of competitiveness.

Thanks

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Voices of Finance Interviews

jmdude's picture
jmdude
      ST
 
(Orangutan, 301
 
Points)
 on 11/8/12 at 11:00am
voice of finance.jpg

I stumbled upon these interviews done by a journalist in the UK. He recently conducted 70+ interviews with a wide array of different finance professionals (everyone from interns to MDs and BO to M&A). Thought it was pretty interesting:

Voices of finance: an index to put the pieces in place.
A handy list, broken down by activity, of the 70+ interviews so far with those working in and around the City of London.

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Skin Care Question

NewBanker91's picture
NewBanker91
     
 
(Chimp, 3
 
Points)
 on 9/23/12 at 1:03pm

Hey I had quick question.

I have interned at a two separate banks before, and I see all of these Traders and Sales guys who come in everyday on 6 or less hours of sleep and some of them go out 1-3 times during the week and drink a fair amount. Add in the stress of the job and it amazes me how well groomed they are. How do you treat your body like shit, while keeping your skin clear and looking fresh everyday?

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What every banker girl needs

bankerella's picture
bankerella
      IB
 
 
(King Kong, 1,895
 
Points)
 on 9/7/12 at 3:00pm
What A Girl Needs.jpg

mod (Andy) note: in honor of Carney posting this back up on CNBC today, I thought it'd be good to have it back up on WSO for those who missed it, and to keep Bankerella's groupies ("Bankerella's boys") happy

Okay, today's advice comes with a dirty little secret.

One thing a banker girl (or any 20-something single chick working 80+ hours a week in a stressful environment) needs is the ability to occasionally have some fun with with very little advance notice and with no strings attached.

(Sure, the perfect girl is a bastion of sexual morality and never dates anyone casually, but that's just not relevant here.) So as a banker chick, you need to get maximum hedonic return on the few hours you have left to yourself, and let's face it, those hours aren't enough to gently nurture a budding but delicate relationship. You need to be strategic about how you use that time, so you need to find people (or a person) who can do the same.

If you're reasonably hot, you'll have no lack of candidates for the role. It's like a resume screen: you need to apply some sort of quick initial test to focus in on candidates who are more likely to be rock stars.

So here are my rankings, based on my own experiences and the experiences of a few friends.

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Traders, how do you feel and what do you do when your trades go wrong?

Imperialian's picture
Imperialian
      ST
 
(Baboon, 173
 
Points)
 on 7/4/12 at 11:27am

It's very obvious you cannot win all the time. How do you feel when your trades go wrong? What do you do?

Go one corner and smoke? Abuse the junior staff? Or blame yourself?

The politically correct answer would be to write this down in your trading journal so that you will not make the same mistake again, but I mean, who really does that?

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7 Indispensable Rules For Traders

anaxi's picture
anaxi
      CO
 
 
(Orangutan, 319
 
Points)
 on 4/8/13 at 5:30am
trading101

As a trader, one of the things I like to do is take notes on trading observations, both trade specific and trader specific. I was flipping through some of my notes and wanted to share some of the rules I have followed which generally apply to all traders.

  • Develop your own philosophy and guiding principles
  • Never trade on other's advice
  • Define your trades before entering them and constantly reiterate your reasons
  • Keep a record of your market observations
  • Do not be afraid of taking risks (or losses)
  • Make a risk control plan and follow it
  • Accept failure and persevere

I will go into detail below, Let me know if you have any more tips that you would like to contribute.

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Largest WTI/Gas Traders 2008

jimz's picture
jimz
     
 
(Orangutan, 264
 
Points)
 on 6/3/12 at 9:27pm

I recently read the CFTC report from 2008. Inside the report, the CFTC had published long and short contracts held by various firms in the North American oil and gas markets.
Although its old, I thought it was quite interesting.

Also seeing how there is a large interest in oil trading, there are some trading firms from 2008 that are still around and are unknown.

WTI Oil:
http://www.sanders.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/energy...

Natural Gas:
http://www.sanders.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/energy...

Heating Oil:
http://www.sanders.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/energy...

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Designations to get for traders

sa34h's picture
sa34h
     
 
(Senior Chimp, 27
 
Points)
 on 5/12/12 at 4:03pm

Hi,

I am a finance grad from a canadian Semi-target with a 3.8 Major GPA. My career aspirations is to become a trader even though the trading industry has had its down turn and bankers are spinning off their prop desks. Currently I am studying toward my CSC and Level 1 CFA.
Given I don't have much out of school experience and no internship, I see additional education as my competitive advantage, is there any other designations one could get that is relevant for trading positions and looked favorably by employers?
Lastly, I heard CFA is really for portfolio managers, does this mean CFA is useless for what I want to do?

Thanks

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Wall Street Trader's Diet

Bernankey's picture
Bernankey
      ST
 
(Gorilla, 613
 
Points)
 on 4/27/12 at 11:26am
burger.jpg

Check out this link on Bloomberg:

http://www.bloomberg.com/video/91560598/

What I want to know is what kind of trader has the time to pop by a bar to have burger and fries during lunch hour?

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Is it okay to ask traders for investment advice?

Anonymous Monkey's picture
Anonymous Monkey
     
 
(Chimp, 0
 
Points)
 on 4/23/12 at 9:20pm

Through networking, Ive developed some contacts at BB firms in the S&T division. If I have a conversation with them, are they allowed to give me investment advice? Could they be held liable?

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Any hope for traders?

Derivatives's picture
Derivatives
      ST
 
(Orangutan, 292
 
Points)
 on 3/3/12 at 12:03am

This week, I had a chance to meet a group of booth part-time mba students who are traders at top chicago prop firms and funds: citadel/teza/drw/getco/jump/imc. They are all very bright and doing quite well financially. Much to my dismay, they all said that they applied to HSW for full-time but got dinged! They opted for booth part-time since they're in chicago, and their firms agreed to pay for it. They all said that it's virtually impossible for traders to get into top schools now.

I had no idea it was this bad. Seriously, why do top schools hate traders so much?

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Quant Algo Trader on IAmA Reddit

JoeMor's picture
JoeMor
      ST
 
(Chimp, 9
 
Points)
 on 11/23/11 at 11:53pm

This is a link to an algo trader who posted an IAmA on reddit. He seems pretty intelligent and has answered a lot of questions about job search and things like that.

http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/mlkxe/iama_e...

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Do traders add value to the economy?

NeuralNetwork's picture
NeuralNetwork
     
 
(Monkey, 55
 
Points)
 on 8/11/11 at 6:24am

Do traders add value to the economy?

How would you respond to the average person crying "traders just push money around to make more money, they don't add VALUE to the economy" etc.

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Weekend Wars: Bankers vs. Traders

Midas Mulligan Magoo's picture
Midas Mulligan Magoo
     
 
(Senior Neanderthal, 5,167
 
Points)
 on 6/19/11 at 12:00pm
bt

We always argue about who makes more money, has the better lifestyle and who are generally the ones who have it made in the industry. It is almost as if the financial universe is a school of fish, constantly nipping at each other’s tail in hopes of getting ahead. Guys log unbelievable hours and put in an effective decade’s worth of work time well before they reach their thirties.

I have given up on trying to figure out whether it is worth it or not. You hang around long enough and you realize that all rules are arbitrary. Everyone defines their own rules and parameters. Nobody is ever right, there are just those who screw up less often and to a lesser extreme than others. That’s why today’s topic is not so much about who is better and a bigger success, but who is simply more fun to be around.

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Will There Be a QE3?

Midas Mulligan Magoo's picture
Midas Mulligan Magoo
     
 
(Senior Neanderthal, 5,167
 
Points)
 on 5/21/11 at 12:00pm
bbb

Slowly but surely we step towards our day of reckoning. In just over a month, the Federal Reserve will end its bond buying program popularly known as QE2 or what many of us skeptics have likened it to, using a tiny band aid to qwell a huge hemorrhage. Depending on which side of the isle you stand, you may love or hate the Federal Reserve’s policy of quantitative easing.

Investors are certainly grateful to Bernanke and company for the near two year bull market, which has seen major market players (those that survived, that is)recover from the depths of the crisis. Many critics, however, have been vocal about the structural damage that the Fed’s debt expansion policies have done to the system long term. The question we face now is, will there be a QE3?

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Flash Crash 2: The Smash'n'Grab

Midas Mulligan Magoo's picture
Midas Mulligan Magoo
     
 
(Senior Neanderthal, 5,167
 
Points)
 on 5/14/11 at 11:00am
smash

Friday the 13th. One year and one week later, it happened again. Cannot say I am shocked. Wish I didn't know it would happen again. Surprised that it did so soon. Calmly awaiting next episode.

It is getting harder and harder for me to accept the status quo. I can't do anything about the issue, but I would like to use it as a platform for voicing what should by now be everyone's dissatisfaction with the side effects of high frequency and program trading.

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Seeking Interns

HedgeFundLIVE's picture
HedgeFundLIVE
     
 
(Monkey, 31
 
Points)
 on 4/27/11 at 9:57am

I will be straight up and say this internship is unpaid. Also, we are looking specifically in the north Jersey area as we are located there. Commute from NYC is possible.

Our start up firm is seeking interns with an interest in the trading and/or hedge fund world. You will be sitting on our trading desk and learning about how our desk is run. This role is ideal for college students in their freshman, sophomore, or junior year. Your responsibilities will include financial content creation and management for our website. This is a tremendous learning opportunity for those interested in trading and hedge funds. You will gain access to our educational tutorials so no prior experience is needed.

Check out www.hedgefundlive.com for more information.

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Traders: What do you want from your quants?

ivoteforthatguy's picture
ivoteforthatguy
      O
 
(Neanderthal, 2,210
 
Points)
 on 3/2/11 at 10:42pm

From a trader's view, what separates a good quant from a shitty one?

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Ben-co Popular Up 66

Midas Mulligan Magoo's picture
Midas Mulligan Magoo
     
 
(Senior Neanderthal, 5,167
 
Points)
 on 1/26/11 at 12:03pm
666

66%.

That is the number of respondents who viewed Ben Bernanke favorably in a recent Bloomberg customer poll.

I guess that's a fair estimate.

I would say that 2/3 of the people I have run across in my lifetime are either brain zapped morons or self serving turduckeons. Those are pretty much the only two sorts of people I could believe would be willing to show such overwhelming support for Shalom.

In fact, Bernanke's approval ratings are currently higher than every politician in the world, other than German Chancellor Angela Merkel.

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Light Pool: Dark Pools Are So Last Year

Edmundo Braverman's picture
Edmundo Braverman
      ST
 
 
(Human, 14,702
 
Points)
 on 1/26/11 at 6:00am
blackhole3.jpg

Much has been made about the death of investing over the past several years. Thanks to the proliferation of quants and their burly supercomputers, we've seen average intraday stock holding periods drop to a ludicrous 28 seconds (by most estimates) and up to 70% of trading volume on a given day resulting from high frequency trading bots. These bots operate largely through dark pools, where they're given rebates and what amounts to inside information milliseconds before other market participants' trades are executed, allowing the bots to front run the trades. These advantages are considered their compensation for "providing liquidity".

We all saw just how fragile that liquidity can be last May, when the HFT crowd all closed up shop at once and the market dropped 600 points in five minutes to a level 9.2% below the day's open. Over the subsequent 20 minutes, the market roared back to close down 300 points - after having been down 1,000 points just a few minutes before. It caused a trading nightmare, with companies like Accenture selling for a penny a share, and Proctor & Gamble dropping 37% for a few minutes. Some trades were eventually unwound and disallowed. It was utter chaos. And the machines got rich.

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How to answer "Why broker, not trader"?

realzol's picture
realzol
     
 
(Chimp, 11
 
Points)
 on 1/14/11 at 3:36am

I'm having an interview with ICAP for their summer internship position, and I know for sure they will ask this question.
Just wondering how should I handle this question.

I can say broker doesn't have to bear risk compared to prop trader, but what about comparing to agent trader? I definitely cannot tell them I'm just applying ICAP as a backup.

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The View from Under the Bus

Edmundo Braverman's picture
Edmundo Braverman
      ST
 
 
(Human, 14,702
 
Points)
 on 12/8/10 at 6:00am
Under the Bus.gif

This is something I've been meaning to bring up for several weeks now, but other topics kept taking precedence. Jerome Kerviel, the disgraced SocGen trader who was recently sentenced to two years in prison and a €5 billion fine, granted an interview with Der Spiegel which is required reading for all traders or anyone who wants to become a trader.

I know I've made a lot of jokes at Kerviel's expense, but what happened to this kid is no laughing matter. In a rushed attempt to hide managerial incompetence or worse, and to reassure investors that it was an isolated incident, Societé Generale deliberately threw Kerviel under the bus with a vengeance we haven't seen since Kidder Peabody's hatchet job on Joe Jett.

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Someone once said that Traders = Jersey Shore. Bankers = Entourage. That is Bullshit. Thoughts?

MeNeverSleeps's picture
MeNeverSleeps
      IB
 
(Orangutan, 340
 
Points)
 on 10/13/10 at 9:42am
Entourage

Enough Said.

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Buy Side Traders

BCbanker's picture
BCbanker
      IB
 
 
(Gorilla, 633
 
Points)
 on 10/12/10 at 3:17pm

Will someone help give me some insight on what exactly traders at true buy side firms do?

I currently work on the banking/capital markets side, and I really don't have a lot of exposure to the secondary market. Here's my general understanding.

Big investment banks (sell side) have traders to sell primary offers for the bankers. They also trade on behalf of clients. Traders also perform buy side (or atleast used to), with their own PnL and capital requirement; prop desks.

This is where things get fuzzy for me. What do traders do at firms like Fidelity and Wellington? Analysts generate research and Portfolio Managers make the calls on asset allocation and actual investment picks.

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Kerviel Gets 5 Years, $6.8 Billion Fine

Edmundo Braverman's picture
Edmundo Braverman
      ST
 
 
(Human, 14,702
 
Points)
 on 10/5/10 at 6:21am
Kerviel Jail.jpg

In a stunning verdict (stunning by French standards, anyway), rogue Societé Generale trader Jerome Kerviel was sentenced to three years in jail, another two years suspended sentence, and was ordered to repay SocGen €4.9 billion, roughly $6.8 billion USD. The 33-year old trader maintained throughout the trial that his superiors were not only aware of his activity but approved it.

Kerviel admitted regularly exceeding trading limits and logging false transactions to cover his gambles, but said this was common practice among traders and that his bosses turned a blind eye as long as earnings were high.

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Tumbleweeds in Trader Town

Midas Mulligan Magoo's picture
Midas Mulligan Magoo
     
 
(Senior Neanderthal, 5,167
 
Points)
 on 9/30/10 at 11:23am
tumbleweeds

A funny thing happened on the way to the forum today. I got a call from a successful trader friend. What made the call strange is that it happened during market hours, actually almost at the opening bell. My buddy is not only unreachable during these hours, he definitely does not want to be distracted with any kind of babble. The fact that he placed the call and was in a rather chatty mood, set a strange tone for the conversation that ensued.

Adding to the Twilight Zone feel was a Michael Lewis piece from this morning.

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Weekend Wars: Traders vs. Funds

Midas Mulligan Magoo's picture
Midas Mulligan Magoo
     
 
(Senior Neanderthal, 5,167
 
Points)
 on 9/26/10 at 11:59am
death star attack

10/4. To military and police personnel, an affirmative acknowledgment. To investors and traders, the potential boiling point of a slow simmering feud. On this date, several high powered mutual-fund executives will convene at the Investment Company Institute in Washington D.C. and reportedly begin a push to shackle high-frequency traders .

A bit under two years ago I sat down with a few Chicago options traders. Most were joyous of the paydays they were seeing as a result of the panic. One elderly gent, had a whole different take on the situation, however. Here's what he had to say:

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SAC Capital is hiring assistant traders?

Brady4MVP's picture
Brady4MVP
      HF
 
(Neanderthal, 3,161
 
Points)
 on 9/24/10 at 12:59pm

I heard from someone that SAC Capital is looking to hire assistant traders. But on the website which lists open positions, it's not mentioned. Does anyone know about this?

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