Could Renouncing US Citizenship Become Business as Usual?
This is a guest post/syndication from Dan Andrews of tropicalmba.com - an entrepreneur who I have a lot of respect for and have a learned a ton from over the last few years from via his blog/podcasts.
Last week a huge media-storm erupted as it became public knowledge that Facebook co-founder Eduardo Saverin had filed to give up his US citizenship.
When I heard the news I didn’t even think twice about it. I guess I’m in a bit of an entrepreneurial bubble. My friends and I talk about citizenship, banking, and taxation on a daily basis. I do understand why these issues inspire heated debates, but for many of us who have lived abroad for long periods of time, issues around foreign residency and citizenship are matters of fact.
There’s a lot of great things about being an American who lives abroad– those are pretty well documented. There are also a lot of downsides.
Here’s a few:
- Americans are taxed on their worldwide income. “The United States is the only major country which taxes based on citizenship rather than residency.” [source]
- Americans need to tell the IRS about any bank account or company they have any control over. It might sound like no big deal, but add a few small investments to your portfolio and all of a sudden you’ve got a big headache on your hands. What makes it even worse is that…
- The US tax code is terribly complex, confusing, and expensive to comply with. This is the case even for highly experienced professionals in the game for decades.
- Many banks and overseas professionals won’t deal with Americans. It’s looking like this is about to get a lot worse. “The foreign banks also must provide an annual report of the account balance, gross receipts and gross withdrawals of the U.S. account holders.” [Source: MSN]
It’s no wonder that many long term US expats would prefer to take on another citizenship. So far, the US hasn’t looked kindly on individuals who have made such a decision. Recently, Senators Casey and Schumer have gone as far to suggest that the penalty for citizens leaving the USA for tax reasons would be a lifetime ban from re-entering.
It’s already pretty bad, check out these current policies for US citizens who decide to renounce:
In 1996, the U.S. changed its immigration law to include a provision to “name and shame” renunciants… In 2008, Congress enacted… an “exit tax” … effective June 2008, U.S. citizens who renounce their citizenship are subject under certain circumstances to an expatriation tax, which is meant to extract from the expatriate taxes that would have been paid had he remained a citizen. [source]
A lot of blogs bemoan the “big brother” tendencies of the American government.
I see their point, but I also see a lot of the US government’s legislation efforts as part of a power dialectic. The government is responding to the unprecedented level of freedoms it’s citizens possess.
In the 1980′s, you couldn’t just jump on a plane and open up a few offshore companies for your small internet business. The US never really had to compete with Hong Kong before for small business entrepreneurs.
The decision to renounce American citizenship will ultimately come down to business as usual.
Remember way back in the early 2000′s when you and your family members would argue about whether or not companies should send their manufacturing to China? (oh wait, that was me!) 5 years later when they went to Best Buy to buy a cheap plasma screen, they probably didn’t care at all where it was made. And last Christmas when they went to get their wife a new smartphone, they didn’t think for a moment where it was manufactured.
It’ll likely go the same way with citizenships. Who can do it better and cheaper?
If American legislators continue to be a royal pain in the ass in the coming decades, and entrepreneurs continue to gain power and agency (and it’s the type of power they can successfully maintain aboard), they will likely continue to renounce in record numbers.
Why not let people leave peacefully and invite the best and the brightest who really want to contribute?
Schumer and Casey want to ban guys like Eduardo– a guy who helped build perhaps the single most important American company in the past 5 years– from ever returning to the USA. (ok, maybe he didn’t build it, it’s been a while since I’ve seen the movie).
Here’s something I know from my experience of living abroad– being an American citizen and passport holder is one of the most desirable distinctions in the world. For every one Eduardo there’s 100′s of thousands of intelligent, ambitious entrepreneurs the world over who would kill to do the same thing he did– build the next great world-changing company on American soil.
We should get more aggressive about opening our doors to them. And if after they have a billion dollar IPO, they decide to go elsewhere, let’s try not to be jerks about it.
Cheers,
Dan
Good post. Schumer and Casey are way out of line in my opinion.
Another piece I read on this from WSJ - http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100014240527023033605045774103237352193…
Especially liked this quote: "Whatever Mr. Saverin's motivation, the more important point is that it is his decision, however misguided. America was built on millions of similar individual decisions to come to our shores. It is precisely that ability to decide for oneself that has made America such a magnet for two centuries."
Haha I like the WSJ article, in particular the bit where it sarcastically presents it as completely inconceivable for anyone to prefer living in Singapore over the USA for any other than tax reasons.
"Perhaps he really has fallen in love with the humidity, the 12 hours of night and day year-round, and the lack of press freedom. But it's also true that Singapore has no capital gains tax, while President Obama wants to raise America's rate to nearly 24%—and 30% if his Buffett Rule becomes law. Then there is Mr. Obama's plan for a 44% dividend tax and 45% estate tax."
The founding fathers fought a war to drop their british citizenship over taxes.
I must admit that I agree with the proposal to ban those that have renounced their citizenship from re-entering under any circumstances. Wealthy people shouldn't be allowed to pick and choose aspects that suit them from a variety of different countries. Those that renounce their citizenship should be viewed as people who no longer like the way things are done in America, and hence never need to come back. You renounce your citizenship - fair enough, but fuck off and don't come back.
Many policies are harsh. The death penalty, though I generally support it, is a harsh punishment for any crime. In fact, relative to the rest of the world, all sentences in the USA are harsh. Crimes that "earn" you
You're either very young, or very poor (or both).
Not sure why people are freaking out over this. He's not originally from the US. If he wants to renounce and save $70 mil on taxes, more power to him b/c he has every right to do so. I wouldn't want to pay a bunch of money in taxes either, especially considering his tax contribution will go straight to servicing a tiny fraction of interest on our national debt.
I'm tired of our gov't overstepping their bounds. I'm sure he is too.
I'm an expat in Europe and I love my American citizenship for tax reasons.
Instead of paying local income and cap gains tax, I pay the American rate which is significantly less than what my co-workers are stuck with (basically an effective raise of 15%).
Being in Singapore, I sympathize with Eduardo. Dealing with the government here is absolutely different than dealing with the US government. Everything here is so smooth and easy. It takes about 5 minutes to file your taxes and you pay your taxes the following year in 12 interest-free installments. My tax rate is less than 10%, partially because I travel a lot and the SG govt gives your proportionate tax breaks you if you are outside of the country for extended periods. Apart from taxes, the quality of life in Singapore is extremely high as well. I am not sure why the American media is so down on Singapore, as almost all of the expats AND locals here love it.
I hold US and Canadian passports, but the only time i ever use my US passport is when i re-enter the US. Otherwise, it is a burden. The US govt expects me to pay thousands of dolllars in US taxes every year even if i have never stepped foot in the US during the year and earn all of my money in Asia. Actually, i do not know how much money i should be paying to the US govt under the rediculous tax scheme, because I HAVE NEVER PAID IT - I REFUSE TO DO SO AS IT IS SO ABSURD.
I would not mind at all giving up my US citizenship and continuing to enjoy the freedom of my Canadian passport, and if we were to marry my PRC-Chinese girlfriend, she would elect to adopt a Canadian citizenship rather than a US citizenship. If she were to adopt a US citizenship, even she would have to start paying US taxes, even though she has lived her whole life in Asia and continues to do so.
Great post AndyLouis. This is my first year living abroad and having to file US taxes, it's no joke. I'll echo what people are saying about Singapore. Any of my friends who've lived there absolutely loved it.
So what are the benefits of being an American abroad again ?
Yea, we cain't let him back in. Imagine what he could do if he came back! He could invest his money in american companies, create jobs etc. We cain't let that happen!
And yes, there is a provision in "Chuck" Schumers bill that would forbid him to invest in american companies.
Similar to a roach motel, you can come to the US but you're not getting out. Nice message you're sending to entrepreneurs all over the globe.
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