Rand Paul GOES OFF at Apple Hearing

This is just fantastic. After sitting through Carl Levin and John McCain spewing a bunch of nonsense about how Apple doesn't pay enough taxes (despite being the #3 taxpaying company in America behind ExxonMobil and Chevron), Rand Paul lit them up about what a travesty it was to blame Apple for doing the same thing every American taxpayer does, for how our convoluted tax code actually chases money overseas, and how Congress owes Apple an apology for wasting their time. He then pointed out just how bad our corporate tax code really is and proposed a permanent 5% repatriation tax on cash held overseas. This is excellent stuff:

 
trailmix8:

why aren't there more politicians that think like this. Common sense > politics.

I listened to Levin also this morning, I know he means well, but completely ignorant towards how its the government and their gigantic complex tax code that causes this.

Bottom Line, Apple did absolutely nothing illegal here.

I refuse to believe that he is that ignorant (read: stupid)

He is simply spewing empty rhetoric and buzzwords to enrage the (truthfully) ignorant masses to shift the blame for an ineffective tax code and huge deficit away from congress.

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Booger45:

It's a shame Rand Paul is a nutjob, this was pretty accurate.

Don't understand your reasoning behind this comment. Rand Paul is one of the few politicians actually making any sense now-a-days and if that means that he is a "nutjob" than I guess I am crazy too.

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Nefarious-:
Booger45:

It's a shame Rand Paul is a nutjob, this was pretty accurate.

Don't understand your reasoning behind this comment. Rand Paul is one of the few politicians actually making any sense now-a-days and if that means that he is a "nutjob" than I guess I am crazy too.

Agree with Nefarious

Edit: I, for one, want politicians who speak the truth (like Rand Paul did yesterday) rather than ones only interested in re-election and ensuring his/her seat on the congressional gravy train.

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Nefarious-:
Booger45:

It's a shame Rand Paul is a nutjob, this was pretty accurate.

Don't understand your reasoning behind this comment. Rand Paul is one of the few politicians actually making any sense now-a-days and if that means that he is a "nutjob" than I guess I am crazy too.

He was probably referring to his stance on social issues.

Because when you're in a room full of smart people, smart suddenly doesn't matter—interesting is what matters.
 

His views on Christianity and his overwhelming sense of anti-government clash and do not bode well for anyone with any real power in Washington.

He's really a perfect local/regional politician, but his views are the minority in a progressive and outward-facing United States.

Then again, I'm somewhat of a Keynesian in my views on government. This country is dominated by the business/private sector, and guys like Rand Paul will continue to tip the scale. I don't want that, because I don't trust the private sector when it comes to matters like healthcare, transportation, and military, things that should be controlled by the government.

 
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Booger45:

I don't want that, because I don't trust the private sector when it comes to matters like healthcare, transportation, and military, things that should be controlled by the government.

You realize that practically all of human history shows that this fear is unfounded. The privatization of airline services, for example, lead to a torrential increase in quality coupled with falling prices. The areas of the healthcare sector that are least regulated by government are most efficient (i.e., cosmetic surgery), and there is almost a perfect correlation between government intrusion into this industry and rising costs. The same is true for education.

Also, being a Keynesian doesn't mean that you support big government, though most Keynesian's do, it just means that you think that government has counter-cyclical tools at its disposal (primarily fiscal policy) that can help an economy recover from recession.

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Esuric:
Booger45:

I don't want that, because I don't trust the private sector when it comes to matters like healthcare, transportation, and military, things that should be controlled by the government.

You realize that practically all of human history shows that this fear is unfounded. The privatization of airline services, for example, lead to a torrential increase in quality coupled with falling prices. The areas of the healthcare sector that are least regulated by government are most efficient (i.e., cosmetic surgery), and there is almost a perfect correlation between government intrusion into this industry and rising costs. The same is true for education.

Truth

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Esuric:
Booger45:

I don't want that, because I don't trust the private sector when it comes to matters like healthcare, transportation, and military, things that should be controlled by the government.

You realize that practically all of human history shows that this fear is unfounded. The privatization of airline services, for example, lead to a torrential increase in quality coupled with falling prices. The areas of the healthcare sector that are least regulated by government are most efficient (i.e., cosmetic surgery), and there is almost a perfect correlation between government intrusion into this industry and rising costs. The same is true for education.

Also, being a Keynesian doesn't mean that you support big government, though most Keynesian's do, it just means that you think that government has counter-cyclical tools at its disposal (primarily fiscal policy) that can help an economy recover from recession.

I'm glad you let him know that Keynesian economics has nothing at all to do with his belief that the government should provide healthcare.

@Booger45: If you're going to associate yourself with a particular philosophy, you should probably know what that philosophy entails. For example, I can be a believer in small government and still believe that the government should, for the time being, engage in financial expansion rather than contraction (i.e., a Keynesian economic platform) in order to bring the economy out of its doldrums.

Anyway, enough of that kind of talk. Rand is a boss. Between this and his phenomenal Drone War filibuster, he is earning some serious points in my book.

 
Esuric:
Booger45:

I don't want that, because I don't trust the private sector when it comes to matters like healthcare, transportation, and military, things that should be controlled by the government.

You realize that practically all of human history shows that this fear is unfounded. The privatization of airline services, for example, lead to a torrential increase in quality coupled with falling prices. The areas of the healthcare sector that are least regulated by government are most efficient (i.e., cosmetic surgery), and there is almost a perfect correlation between government intrusion into this industry and rising costs. The same is true for education.

Also, being a Keynesian doesn't mean that you support big government, though most Keynesian's do, it just means that you think that government has counter-cyclical tools at its disposal (primarily fiscal policy) that can help an economy recover from recession.

+1

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Booger45:

His views on Christianity and his overwhelming sense of anti-government clash and do not bode well for anyone with any real power in Washington.

He's really a perfect local/regional politician, but his views are the minority in a progressive and outward-facing United States.

Then again, I'm somewhat of a Keynesian in my views on government. This country is dominated by the business/private sector, and guys like Rand Paul will continue to tip the scale. I don't want that, because I don't trust the private sector when it comes to matters like healthcare, transportation, and military, things that should be controlled by the government.

I didn't realize that healthcare and transportation where mentioned in the constitution as things the government has to provide (defense is, however). That's your opinion only, not the way things have to, or even should, be. If you think the US tax code is a mess (presumably since that was the one thing you mentioned agreeing with Rand Paul on), then you should really take a look at the disaster that is US healthcare regulation (both before and after Obamacare). It always puzzles me how people can see the exact same problem/issue in one domain yet completely miss it in another. This is not even about who pays for healthcare. If the US government could show and semblance of common sense when it came to healthcare regulation/legislation, I wouldn't mind them paying for all of it under a universal healthcare plan. Being that they're inefficient idiots however, the less they have to do with it the better.

 
alexpasch:
Booger45:

His views on Christianity and his overwhelming sense of anti-government clash and do not bode well for anyone with any real power in Washington.
He's really a perfect local/regional politician, but his views are the minority in a progressive and outward-facing United States.
Then again, I'm somewhat of a Keynesian in my views on government. This country is dominated by the business/private sector, and guys like Rand Paul will continue to tip the scale. I don't want that, because I don't trust the private sector when it comes to matters like healthcare, transportation, and military, things that should be controlled by the government.

I didn't realize that healthcare and transportation where mentioned in the constitution as things the government has to provide (defense is, however). That's your opinion only, not the way things have to, or even should, be. If you think the US tax code is a mess (presumably since that was the one thing you mentioned agreeing with Rand Paul on), then you should really take a look at the disaster that is US healthcare regulation (both before and after Obamacare). It always puzzles me how people can see the exact same problem/issue in one domain yet completely miss it in another. This is not even about who pays for healthcare. If the US government could show and semblance of common sense when it came to healthcare regulation/legislation, I wouldn't mind them paying for all of it under a universal healthcare plan. Being that they're inefficient idiots however, the less they have to do with it the better.

I think I am interesting in hearing why your signature is an advertisement for jetcigs.com

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Booger45:

His views on Christianity and his overwhelming sense of anti-government clash and do not bode well for anyone with any real power in Washington.

He's really a perfect local/regional politician, but his views are the minority in a progressive and outward-facing United States.

Then again, I'm somewhat of a Keynesian in my views on government. This country is dominated by the business/private sector, and guys like Rand Paul will continue to tip the scale. I don't want that, because I don't trust the private sector when it comes to matters like healthcare, transportation, and military, things that should be controlled by the government.

lol troll is successful. I trust the government and not the private sector garbage is what caused most of this mess. taxation is just a form of control and allows professional networkers to leach off people who actually add value. the market is the purest form of reward, government has perveted this foundation to the point where people are retarded enough to not only stop protesting it, but actually thinking its good?!

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Booger45:

His views on Christianity and his overwhelming sense of anti-government clash and do not bode well for anyone with any real power in Washington.

He's really a perfect local/regional politician, but his views are the minority in a progressive and outward-facing United States.

Then again, I'm somewhat of a Keynesian in my views on government. This country is dominated by the business/private sector, and guys like Rand Paul will continue to tip the scale. I don't want that, because I don't trust the private sector when it comes to matters like healthcare, transportation, and military, things that should be controlled by the government.

What the fuck, did someone just advocate government controlling healthcare? Have you ever seen government run more effectively than the private sector? Why would you trust your life to a government that is easily corrupted, think of this in a broad sense to include pushing legislation to only help themselves or people who donate to them, will never innovate like the private sector and will run up prices on everything. Countries with government run healthcare have death boards...do you really want a panel telling you if you're allowed to live?

Also, your ideas of letting government run transportation and military are also stupid. Plus Keynesianism makes no sense. How does taking money out of the private sector to put it back into the private sector, minus a cut for the government, help to spur growth?

 
CypressLB:
Booger45:

His views on Christianity and his overwhelming sense of anti-government clash and do not bode well for anyone with any real power in Washington.
He's really a perfect local/regional politician, but his views are the minority in a progressive and outward-facing United States.
Then again, I'm somewhat of a Keynesian in my views on government. This country is dominated by the business/private sector, and guys like Rand Paul will continue to tip the scale. I don't want that, because I don't trust the private sector when it comes to matters like healthcare, transportation, and military, things that should be controlled by the government.

What the fuck, did someone just advocate government controlling healthcare? Have you ever seen government run more effectively than the private sector? Why would you trust your life to a government that is easily corrupted, think of this in a broad sense to include pushing legislation to only help themselves or people who donate to them, will never innovate like the private sector and will run up prices on everything. Countries with government run healthcare have death boards...do you really want a panel telling you if you're allowed to live?

Also, your ideas of letting government run transportation and military are also stupid. Plus Keynesianism makes no sense. How does taking money out of the private sector to put it back into the private sector, minus a cut for the government, help to spur growth?

The government shouldn't run the military? Perhaps it would be better if the military ran the government??

 

2 things:

  1. Rand is just about the only politician worth anything in contemporary American politics

  2. Who's the brown lady over his right shoulder? I'd teach her a thing or two about taxes...in bed.

My drinkin' problem left today, she packed up all her bags and walked away.
 

Rand Paul's "Christian views"? Really? I'm from a religious right conservative family--Rand Paul has never been known for his right wing Christian views among my family's crowd. A quick Google search shows that he goes to a Presbyterian church. Mainline Protestantism is not considered conservative--it's considered even liberal in many regards. His wife is a deacon at the church, which would be in no way acceptable at any conservative church, including my parents'. In fact, Rand Paul was even accused of not being a Christian in the Republican primary in 2010 because of his past associations.

I'm just shocked to see his Christian views--which are centrist or to the left of much of Christian America--become a talking point for a leftist. Goes to show how far to the left the American Democrat party has gotten when attending a left-wing Presbyterian church gets you labeled a Christian zealot.

 
DCDepository:

Rand Paul's "Christian views"? Really? I'm from a religious right conservative family--Rand Paul has never been known for his right wing Christian views among my family's crowd. A quick Google search shows that he goes to a Presbyterian church. Mainline Protestantism is not considered conservative--it's considered even liberal in many regards. His wife is a deacon at the church, which would be in no way acceptable at any conservative church, including my parents'. In fact, Rand Paul was even accused of not being a Christian in the Republican primary in 2010 because of his past associations.

I'm just shocked to see his Christian views--which are centrist or to the left of much of Christian America--become a talking point for a leftist. Goes to show how far to the left the American Democrat party has gotten when attending a left-wing Presbyterian church gets you labeled a Christian zealot.

Well said.

 
DCDepository:
Goes to show how far to the right the American Republican party has gotten on social issues when attending a Presbyterian church and having a wife that is a deacon gets people to question your Christian beliefs

Fixed Your Post.

 
Edmundo Braverman:

Jon Stewart takes the other side of the argument:

An aside: John Stewart used to be so fresh and funny, now he's a mildly more entertaining (for totally different reasons) Bill O'Reilly for the left. The predictability of his political pontificating just takes the fun out of the jokes.

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NorthSider:
Edmundo Braverman:

Jon Stewart takes the other side of the argument:

An aside: John Stewart used to be so fresh and funny, now he's a mildly more entertaining (for totally different reasons) Bill O'Reilly for the left. The predictability of his political pontificating just takes the fun out of the jokes.

Agree 100%

 
Edmundo Braverman:

Jon Stewart takes the other side of the argument:

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I mean the guy hasn't been funny in 5 years. my biggest pet peeve is when people say: 'oh like ya I get my news from the Daily Show lol'. Which I usually respond to by saying: 'oh that's funny, I get my food from road kill...oh that's shocking to you? It shouldn't be. It makes about as much sense as getting your news from a man paid to tell jokes on a channel called 'Comedy Central'".

My drinkin' problem left today, she packed up all her bags and walked away.
 

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