The gender equality wars

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I used to make fun of women a lot.

I made fun of their driving skills, I've joked that they wear white on their wedding day to match the stove and the fridge, that God made them to wash our dishes, how they have smaller feet to get closer to the kitchen sink, and how battered women sound delicious.

Truth is though I love women, I have all the respect in the world for them and despite my historical antics, never in my life had I doubted them in an academic, social, or professional environment - especially on Wall Street.

That said, there are always people who take equality too seriously.

A recent wave of gender equality proposals have caused a stir in Europe, right after Deutsche Bank's Josef Ackermann made a quip on why their board should have more fraus on it.

'Women on our board would make it prettier and more colourful'

Outraged by his "scandalous" allegory, the EU is now pushing for quotas for women on corporate boards, and if successful, may force Deutsche and other companies to promote women into top positions just for the sake of diversity.

Now on Wall Street, some would argue that women already have it easier than the guys, and if this system makes its way across the pond then more than a few guys might get screwed big time.

I want to know what the women on WSO's thoughts are on this; how would you feel if you were promoted just to meet a quota? These things have a knack for trickling down so its not impossible for this to happen at the lower levels.

And to the dudes; how would you feel if you got passed over because of this?

This probably won't be happening soon in the States though, but with things going the way they're going, you'll never know.

Comments (79)

Feb 17, 2011

No one bitches about gender inequality in nursing or elementary education...just sayin

If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses - Henry Ford

Feb 17, 2011

As a girl I think I may not want this to pass more than some of the men on here. I want to earn my spot, not fulfill some misguided quota. I would feel so uncomfortable being promoted just because I was a woman, not because of the blood, sweat, and tears (so to speak) I put into the job.

Feb 18, 2011
anaismalcolm:

As a girl I think I may not want this to pass more than some of the men on here. I want to earn my spot, not fulfill some misguided quota. I would feel so uncomfortable being promoted just because I was a woman, not because of the blood, sweat, and tears (so to speak) I put into the job.

Couldn't agree more. I want to be promoted based on my merit alone, nothing else. Having said that, you dudes have it so freaking easy! Gender roles are constantly redefining themselves, and while 'equality' sounds all nice and everything, in reality it means more work for the ladies. No only are we expected to win our own bread now, but we're still expected to be great cooks, produce your children, be well polished at all times, make a nice home etc. Slightly daunting task.

Feb 17, 2011

Reverse discrimination never made sense to me under any circumstances.

Feb 18, 2011
GutShot:

Reverse discrimination never made sense to me under any circumstances.

give this mane a SB!

Feb 18, 2011
down on the upside][quote=GutShot:

Reverse discrimination never made sense to me under any circumstances.

give this man a SB

Feb 17, 2011

The movement for "diversity" is pure PR to avoid lawsuits. You need to hire people who will be best at the job. If they're equally qualified in every way except gender or race (a topic which always seems to be brought up), flip a coin. It shouldn't be that difficult.

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Feb 17, 2011

Hot girl analyst vs another boring guy from Harvard?

Ill pick the hot girl analyst every time.

You do have an advantage :(

Feb 17, 2011

Hot girl analyst vs another boring guy from Harvard?

Ill pick the hot girl analyst every time.

You do have an advantage :(

Feb 18, 2011

Women deserve equality, so if I get a seat on the subway, I'm not offering shit. When the boat is sinking, I will rip a life jacket from girly hands. If the building is on fire, I will hurdle your midget asses to get out before you. Oh yeah, if you want to pack all that shit for an overnight trip, you can carry it.

Feb 18, 2011
Jose.Rey:

Women deserve equality, so if I get a seat on the subway, I'm not offering shit. When the boat is sinking, I will rip a life jacket from girly hands. If the building is on fire, I will hurdle your midget asses to get out before you. Oh yeah, if you want to pack all that shit for an overnight trip, you can carry it.

I would LOVE that!

I wanted to add that the gender roles are based off of social constructs much more than inherent biological differences. It's how you raise your girls and boys beginning in the home. I see a lot of differences that are just cultural differences pretty objectively because I had the experience of being raised one way but growing up in the American culture. Could not be more different when it comes to expectations.

Btw in Iceland men generally do not pay. You split everything. The men will shove ahead of you in line and push you out of the way to get in front of the bar lol. That said, I also have the experience of alpha-Icelandic men asking me if they can take me out on an American style date when they find out I live in America and they LOVE the experience. It's really fun to see how excited they get at the chance to play American gentleman and open doors, pay for dinner etc. So maybe there is something more to the biological argument about providing vs. Nurturing because never in a million years did I expect Icelandic guys ton desire to play that role.

Feb 18, 2011

I would find it offensive if someone promote me because of my gender, but I do agree that pretty females have certain advantage over guys, especially in sales.

Feb 18, 2011

Affirmative action made sense when the racial legacy in the face of admissions questions like 'did your parents go here?' obviously precluded merit. However, it is time to begin phasing them out.

bellameowww:

I would find it offensive if someone promote me because of my gender, but I do agree that pretty females have certain advantage over guys, especially in sales.

^ in the above case, would you turn down the promotion on principle?

As far as gender equality goes, the point is to grant the same opportunities and rights to each, not to try and turn men and women into the same thing. IE: I should be able to compete with women for a nursing job, but I don't want to bear children. Women should be allowed into the military, but [on average] they simply do not have the same physical strength + testosterone levels as men.

People have confused social equality with biological equality. You can have one [more or less], but you can't have the other [gender surgery aside].

Feb 18, 2011

Honestly I would hate to get a great job in a country (like America) with a lot of affirmative action. Because you know there are people, even if you are from Harvard and had a 4.0, that will say "He got it b/c he was black, or she was a woman, it's easier that way."

Reality hits you hard, bro...

Feb 18, 2011
MMBinNC:

Honestly I would hate to get a great job in a country (like America) with a lot of affirmative action. Because you know there are people, even if you are from Harvard and had a 4.0, that will say "He got it b/c he was black, or she was a woman, it's easier that way."

Or if you do get into Harvard and have a 4.0, you only got in because you were black and only got good grades because profs didn't want to challenge you. Trust me, it gets old really quick.

Feb 18, 2011

I'd say their is a distinction between quotas on corporate boards and quotas in management positions when it comes to gender.

Feb 18, 2011

the problem with the quotas is they are outrageously high.

With all of our all humans are equal before the law and human rights and other movements(which are all awesome and great and all the rest of it) we have forgotten a basic fact.

Women and men are fundamentally different. Men are genetically programmed to strife for power and become in charge of stuff.

This is why men will work much harder towards getting into roles of power and alot more men will want those roles and compete for those roles. That's why you have such a gross overrepresentation of men in those positions. Now wanting to introduce quotas of up to 40% is outrageous.

Yes child care takes some time out, and lack of women in senior position makes getting in more difficult, but 40% is outrageous. 20% tops.

Feb 18, 2011

For those who have minds of their own and don't rely on television and whateverbullshitishottoday.com for their knowledge base accumulation I propose the following:

The base underlying project of the 20th century was the elimination of monarchies and the removal of Christendom as a psychological and emotional factor in the daily sociopolitical dealings of the "Western (read: white) world".

The base underlying project of the 21st century is population/aggression (read: testosterone) control, which will be primarily executed through 2 means:

1) The proliferation of homosexuality and bisexuality as the "in" things to do and "cool" lifestyles to live, via an onslaught of media and pop culture, combined with the vilification of all things heterosexually natural and free.

2) The further debasement of the natural, biological and (dare I say) God given differences between the sexes.

We can also argue that earlier forms of positive discrimination tactics (racial, religious equality doctrines, etc) were just an overture to this main performance.

No group will suffer more than women a result of this nanny world state lunacy.

Feb 18, 2011

And by gender surgery you mean surgery + years of rounds of various hormonal injections to get you even in the ballpark of what you'd be were you actually the gender you try to change yourself to.

Feb 18, 2011
A Posse Ad Esse:

And by gender surgery you mean surgery + years of rounds of various hormonal injections to get you even in the ballpark of what you'd be were you actually the gender you try to change yourself to.

WHOOAAAA freak show
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Feb 18, 2011

There was a recent study done and one feminist's ridiculous views of justifying her gender's failure.

There was a test of firefighters. On average, the men were stronger and most women couldn't be as effective as them. This includes tasks like carrying the hose, putting up the ladder, carrying people, etc. The feminist stated that she would rather have a woman drag her out instead of a man carry her out because she is lower to the ground and won't inhale smoke.

I dont know about you guys and some of you ladies, but if im in a burning building and im unconscious, id rather take the guy carrying me out than a chick dragging me out, having my head hit every single stair on the way down.

Feb 18, 2011
ModusOperandi:

I dont know about you guys and some of you ladies, but if im in a burning building and im unconscious, id rather take the guy carrying me out than a chick dragging me out, having my head hit every single stair on the way down.

ha. Totally.

Feb 18, 2011

Modus... That is just about the most ridiculous statement I have read to date. Along with the "fact" that biologically women are not as interested in power. Have you ever been to a PTA meeting? Yeah, about those.

I would be livid to find I got hired based on a quota. LIVID. Take me for my merit, not my vagina.

I support diversity RECRUITMENT, and awareness programs being implemented. As I have previously stated it's a means to get people to apply where they would not consider it differently. And I think LIBOR makes a great point about management vs BOD positions. Problem is the Board positions are more behind closed doors. The public can react negatively to poor hiring practices by selling off their stock. (which let's face it no one will if it's a moneymaker).
In order to get women up to par to compete I think there might need to be some quotas in place for the Board positions but with the intention to phase out the quotas in a decade, e.g.

And the above poster was right, we get to go work AND bear the brunt of the domestic responsibilities. It's a raw deal for most women.

I can say that I have never thought to myself I couldn't pursue a particular career just because I am a woman. It doesn't even cross my mind. If anything my main concern is being a parent and juggling those responsibilities. But that is also how I was raised and how my culture is. Women in Iceland are notorious for dominating the men at home lol.

Feb 18, 2011
AnonIcelandicBanker:

Modus...
Take me for my merit, not my vagina.

But we love your vagina.

Feb 18, 2011
AnonIcelandicBanker:

Modus... That is just about the most ridiculous statement I have read to date. Along with the "fact" that biologically women are not as interested in power. Have you ever been to a PTA meeting? Yeah, about those.

I would be livid to find I got hired based on a quota. LIVID. Take me for my merit, not my vagina.

I support diversity RECRUITMENT, and awareness programs being implemented. As I have previously stated it's a means to get people to apply where they would not consider it differently. And I think LIBOR makes a great point about management vs BOD positions. Problem is the Board positions are more behind closed doors. The public can react negatively to poor hiring practices by selling off their stock. (which let's face it no one will if it's a moneymaker).
In order to get women up to par to compete I think there might need to be some quotas in place for the Board positions but with the intention to phase out the quotas in a decade, e.g.

And the above poster was right, we get to go work AND bear the brunt of the domestic responsibilities. It's a raw deal for most women.

I can say that I have never thought to myself I couldn't pursue a particular career just because I am a woman. It doesn't even cross my mind. If anything my main concern is being a parent and juggling those responsibilities. But that is also how I was raised and how my culture is. Women in Iceland are notorious for dominating the men at home lol.

whats ridiculous about it? there was a study done between men and women who both wanted to become fire fighters. most of the women failed at the basic tasks of the job. the few that did pass, i would have no problem having them save lives because they are capable. the women that failed, i do have problems with.

Feb 18, 2011

I read the intelligence study mentioned here a while ago I think it was reputable journal, ill try finding the link.

Feb 18, 2011

I am fundamentally opposed to race or gender based quotas of any sort. That being said, women don't need help. In the United States, women get 60% of all bachelors degrees and 66% of all masters degrees. As a trader would say, the trend is up and the numbers are breaking out to the upside. Think about these figures and what they mean going forward. The fact is that in many ways, women are more suited for post-industrial society. On average, they tend to be better at communicating, paying attention to details, building relationships and staying focused within a calmer environment. Now tell me what kind of skills are valued in the average office.

You may not know this, but in many top colleges today, there is actually affirmative action that helps males with lower stats, because there are not enough qualified applicants and they want to keep the ratio relatively equal.

As far as the lack of women in top leadership roles, it has nothing to do with women's lack of desire for power. Think about what would make a person a leader. Leaders are often exceptional people who have very concentrated skills in areas relevant to their field. Science has proven that while the average intelligence level between women and men is the same, men have a much higher standard deviation (this is true for many traits). To put it simply, among the men there will be more geniuses and more idiots. This is a biological reality that makes sense when put into a revolutionary perspective. It doesn't mean that any gender is better than the other, just a bit different.

This ties in with the other thread about how boys are being suppressed in today's world. This is happening at many levels. In the financial crisis, men lost most of the jobs since they made up the majority in the banking and construction sectors. Finance really is one of the last bastions of "boys being boys" and now even that is being neutered. Now a lot of men who are uneducated are having trouble getting married (this happens more in lower socioeconomic areas where the divisions are moving more quickly) because women generally want someone of equal education attainment, which is clearly impossible in the aggregate if they are getting most of the degrees. I am not sure where this is all going, but I expect this to become a very important social issue in the future.

Feb 18, 2011
macro:

Science has proven that while the average intelligence level between women and men is the same, men have a much higher standard deviation (this is true for many traits).

I would be very interested in seeing this study. Do you have a link? I don't disagree with it, but discount the likelihood of accuracy/relevance due to it making too much sense. If this were true, many things would be explained, and I could see such a hypothesis being popularly accepted without rigorous research.

Feb 18, 2011

doublepost

Feb 18, 2011

King Kong,

We did have this in the states, and it was known as "Affirmative Action." The only problem is that its intent to provide equality of opportunity eventually led the "majority" to believe that it's purpose was to create an "equality of results"...

And for most of us old enough to recount our parent's perspective on the issue, it was violently opposed... (figuratively and literally)

"Cut the burger into thirds, place it on the fries, roll one up homey..." - Epic Meal Time

Feb 18, 2011

I have not seen the study, but this statistic has been quoted in publications that I consider to be credible. But you are right, it makes a lot of intuitive sense and could be widely accepted based on thin research.

Feb 18, 2011

This got me interested... according to below article (which sounds fairly credible), of the individuals who score better than 99.9% of population on IQ tests, the male:female ratio is roughly 15:1, implying a male:female standard deviation ratio of 1.2-1.3.

"The male variance in I.Q. is greater than that for females; Jensen says this difference is greatest in math and spatial ability. In math the male variance is 1.1 to 1.3 times greater (He does not give the difference for I.Q. or g).

In the high range, my own observation to date is that at or above the 98th percentile there are about twice more males than females, while at or above the 99.9th percentile there are about 15 times more males. These estimates are based on the male/female ratios in certain high I.Q. societies and on analysis of male and female performance on my tests. Trying to make this fit in terms of standard deviation ("variance" is, incidentally, the square of the standard deviation), I find that when the male and female mean are both I.Q. 100, the male standard deviation (S.D.) must be about 33% greater than the female S.D. However, if a mean difference of 5 points in favour of males existed, the male S.D. would only need to be about 11% greater. I do not yet know which is true (or if the truth lies in between). I must say though that an SD difference of 33% seems unlikely.

A remark sometimes made regarding the male/female ratio in I.Q. societies and among high-range candidates is that females may be so lowly represented because they simply do not like taking intelligence tests, or even because they attach less value to intelligence than males do as a result of having been raised and socialized to value other traits higher in women. In other words, that their representation is not proportional to their actual presence at high intelligence levels. The following facts however speak against this:

* In general, people enjoy (like, tend to, are inclined to) doing what they are good at, so the fact that fewer women than men take high-range tests is in full accordance with their lower occurrence frequency at high intelligence levels. It is unlikely that people in large numbers are kept from doing what they are naturally good at merely by not liking or not valuing it. It is much more likely that the "not liking" is a result of being less good at it.
* It is well known that females are far more interested in (enjoying, liking) taking all sorts of psychological tests than are males, so their strong underpresence among high-range test candidates must have a compelling reason other than "not liking".
* A factual observation about high-range tests is that the harder a test is (as measured by the proportion of the test's problems that is on average missed), the fewer people choose to take it, the higher their median score, and the smaller their internal spread. It follows logically, is apparent, that people are avoiding tests that are too hard for them (rather than just avoiding tests they do not like), and are taking tests they can handle (rather than just taking tests they like).
* It is also a factual observation about high-range tests that the harder a test is, the greater the male/female ratio among that test's candidates is. It follows logically that females are avoiding tests that are too hard for them (rather than just avoiding tests they do not like), and are taking tests they can handle (rather than just taking tests they like).
* The distribution of female scores on high-range tests looks roughly similar to that of males, shifted downward by about ten I.Q. points.
* In professions that require high intelligence, such as those in exact science and technology, there are still fewer to far fewer females than males working, despite decades of emancipation, affirmative action, government-prescribed minimum quota for females in certain professions, and lowering educational standards. Clearly, there is a force that keeps females away from these professions, and the longer the positive discrimination goes on and fails, the more painfully clear it gets that this force is mainly the ability requirement of the work itself, which is at least partly an intelligence requirement, while other aspects of creativity may also play a role.

These facts make it almost inescapable to conclude that the male/female ratio among high-range candidates and in I.Q. societies is roughly representative of the actual male/female ratio at high intelligence levels. Sometimes one has to leave a prejudice (equality) behind and accept the facts, even if one would like them to be otherwise. That I say "roughly representative" is not because I believe that "liking tests" or social or socialization factors may still contribute, but to leave open the possibility that yet other personality features are at play next to intelligence, like associative horizon."

Source
http://www.paulcooijmans.com/intelligence/sex_diff...

Feb 18, 2011

^ True.

From an employment standpoint, there is a huge hole in the current corporate employment stats: a HUGE number of young men are currently serving in the military or recently returned home. Painting in broad strokes, it resembles the employment situation circa 1943. As things settle down over then next 3 to 6 years, a lot of the most current research is going to reflect very different metrics.

As far as opportunity, it should be a level playing field, I fail to see why this point is debated. The results, however, must also speak for themselves. As for dating: I want a woman who acts like a woman, and a woman who wants a guy WHO ACTS LIKE A GUY.....I've tried the whole metro thing, and it's a depressing dead end. Be a gentleman, but be a man. If a woman does the same job as me, as good as me, she should be paid the same. If the woman in a divorce makes more money, guess what: SHE'S the one who gets dicked, and that is equality in the eyes of the law. Any woman who disagrees doesn't want equality, they want an unfair disadvantage marketed as opportunity.

Ladies, what's your take?

Feb 18, 2011
UFOinsider:

Be a gentleman, but be a man.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qtrAMK7_Qk

If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses - Henry Ford

Feb 18, 2011

from an employer standpoint...

why would you hire a woman over a man if they're both equally qualified? with women you hafta give them maternity leave, have to deal with their periods and shit, etc. Yeah not all women have babies but why take the risk of them potentially having kids? A man has none of those problems.

however, if the woman is more qualified then hire her. no question about it

Feb 18, 2011
ModusOperandi:

from an employer standpoint...

why would you hire a woman over a man if they're both equally qualified? with women you hafta give them maternity leave, have to deal with their periods and shit, etc. Yeah not all women have babies but why take the risk of them potentially having kids? A man has none of those problems.

however, if the woman is more qualified then hire her. no question about it

you've GOT to be kidding me. This just shows we can do it all and still take your job. Ever heard of the saying 'if you want something done give it to a busy woman' ??

excuse me while I go multitask.

Feb 18, 2011
Jackiesinthesun:
ModusOperandi:

from an employer standpoint...

why would you hire a woman over a man if they're both equally qualified? with women you hafta give them maternity leave, have to deal with their periods and shit, etc. Yeah not all women have babies but why take the risk of them potentially having kids? A man has none of those problems.

however, if the woman is more qualified then hire her. no question about it

you've GOT to be kidding me. This just shows we can do it all and still take your job. Ever heard of the saying 'if you want something done give it to a busy woman' ??

excuse me while I go multitask.

You didn't really make a point defeating my claim...
The first sentence said that they were equally qualified (which includes having the same skills at multi-tasking). Unless you mean to tell me that when a woman is on maternity leave she is continuing to do her work just as well as she was prior to having a baby. I don't know about the industry you're in, but where I work when someone goes on maternity leave, her job gets allocated to us for the time that she is gone. In banking, do you really think that a woman will be physically capable of working all of those hours in addition to raising a baby successfully? If you legitimately believe this, then you're either retarded or uninformed. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say uninformed.

Also, if you could hire an old person or a young person who are EXACTLY the same (minus the age part and ignoring the fact that the old guy will retire sooner, i feel like i had to clarify cuz some of you might get confused) who would you hire?
Obviously the young person- less prone to things like disease, death, senility, hip replacments, etc. and other things that would cause the old person to miss work and be less productive

Feb 18, 2011

Very interesting, though I still think it is a difference of SD and not the mean. Thanks for digging that up.

Feb 18, 2011

Modus I meant the woman talking about preferring a female firefighter. My bad!

Feb 18, 2011

The problem is a man would never credit external factors for his promotion. He would assume he's being promoted on his merits. (Even if he had just been promoted because he's the higher-ups favorite golf partner.) This is why I think it's a good idea.
Besides, the proposal is for Boards .. people on boards are historically just friends of other board members.

Feb 18, 2011

Why America needs to implement paternity leave. Apparently fathers don't need to take responsibility for having kids.

Also I would love to hear what makes a man be a man and a woman act like a woman. Social constructs of gender roles are always fascinating to me.

Feb 18, 2011
AnonIcelandicBanker:

Why America needs to implement paternity leave. Apparently fathers don't need to take responsibility for having kids.

Also I would love to hear what makes a man be a man and a woman act like a woman. Social constructs of gender roles are always fascinating to me.

^ this

Feb 18, 2011

I do feel sorry for the EU; I am awfully terrified of women in management roles and I have to speak my mind.

Most (not all) of my negative MANAGERIAL experiences in the professional ranks have been due to...you guessed it, women. Ethnicity/cultural background/race determined the variation of my level of pain with respect to women, but ultimately, I try to steer clear of them as managers.

In my experience, in the IB/HF world they are obsessive, militating, A-type personalities who will stop at almost nothing to "assert" themselves and show they "belong". Ironically, when I studied their behavior as I worked, it almost appeared that they would focus their efforts exclusively on making the lives of minority males miserable. I don't care to break down the psychology of why that was the case, but I just feel sorry in general for anybody who has to work under them.

"Cut the burger into thirds, place it on the fries, roll one up homey..." - Epic Meal Time

Feb 18, 2011

^^omigod. pm me when you turn 22 i cannot throw spaghetti at this wall any longer. Men do now get paternity leave by the way...quite a few BBs my little prospective monkey. Do your research.

Ps. I eat boys like you for breakfast.

Feb 18, 2011
Jackiesinthesun:

^^omigod. pm me when you turn 22 i cannot throw spaghetti at this wall any longer. Men do now get paternity leave by the way...quite a few BBs my little prospective monkey. Do your research.

Ps. I eat boys like you for breakfast.

I was not aware that men got paternity leave, you win. Thank you for informing me though, I now know.

Feb 18, 2011
Jackiesinthesun:

Men do now get paternity leave by the way

I want to go on paternity leave. whaddya say? :)

Feb 19, 2011
Jackiesinthesun:

Ps. I eat boys like you for breakfast.

As long as you cook me breakfast after that I'm ok with it.

PS I might be drunk

If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses - Henry Ford

Feb 19, 2011
Jackiesinthesun:

^^omigod. pm me when you turn 22 i cannot throw spaghetti at this wall any longer. Men do now get paternity leave by the way...quite a few BBs my little prospective monkey. Do your research.

Ps. I eat boys like you for breakfast.

u b forgot to capitalize the letter i thought bankers supposed to be good at grammar and speling

Feb 18, 2011

oh and to add to my point:

there's an equal chance I'll have a baby this year and take 3 months off as you breaking your femur skiing and taking 6 mos off.

Feb 18, 2011
Jackiesinthesun:

oh and to add to my point:

there's an equal chance I'll have a baby this year and take 3 months off as you breaking your femur skiing and taking 6 mos off.

is this to say that women won't go skiing?

Feb 18, 2011
ModusOperandi:
Jackiesinthesun:

oh and to add to my point:

there's an equal chance I'll have a baby this year and take 3 months off as you breaking your femur skiing and taking 6 mos off.

is this to say that women won't go skiing?

No Modus. We're just really good skiers Look up ski stats. m/f ratios of accidents are off the charts. ok I'm kidding, I have no idea. We just dont let our egos get in the way of our performance. ha.

Feb 18, 2011

classic. have a good weekend.

Feb 18, 2011

how did I know this was going to turn into a p!ssing war as soon as I read the first post....

paternity leave:
take it whichever way you want.. the other day at work we talked about that on paper, all women are entitled to x amount of maternity leave and men to a paternity leave. however, off the papers, (official document stating your benefits), if a guy were to ever take paternity leave, everyone is expected to give him grief and he is expected to never to be back (ie be asked to resign).

Feb 19, 2011

im sorry but is there a kitchen in companies board meeting rooms where the bod gather? if so i can see why they need at least 1 woman....those sandwitches are not going to make themselfs!

Feb 19, 2011

There's a reason there are so few women in top management. Because women are intrinsically irrational and putting them in significant positions of responsibility would lead to complete and utter chaos.

As a junior I also prefer not to work with women. Any girl hotter than a 5/10 is usually just a distraction. Most women who go into banking, especially IBD it seems, are Type A alpha bitches who don't know how to make banter and have no appreciation for macho humour. If you want pussy go find a girl that doesnt get turned on by spreadsheets.

You know you've been working too hard when you stop dreaming about bottles of champagne and hordes of naked women, and start dreaming about conditional formatting and circular references.

Feb 19, 2011
Zweihander:

There's a reason there are so few women in top management. Because women are intrinsically irrational and putting them in significant positions of responsibility would lead to complete and utter chaos.

As a junior I also prefer not to work with women. Any girl hotter than a 5/10 is usually just a distraction. Most women who go into banking, especially IBD it seems, are Type A alpha bitches who don't know how to make banter and have no appreciation for macho humour. If you want pussy go find a girl that doesnt get turned on by spreadsheets.

Idiot.
So a hot girl is a distraction to the poor, helpless boys? F u, go move to the ME if you have to blame women for being distractions. You know what is a distraction? Assholes like you that get in my way and slow me down on my way to the top. Intrinsically irrational? You sir, are fucking ignorant.

Feb 19, 2011
AnonIcelandicBanker:
Zweihander:

There's a reason there are so few women in top management. Because women are intrinsically irrational and putting them in significant positions of responsibility would lead to complete and utter chaos.

As a junior I also prefer not to work with women. Any girl hotter than a 5/10 is usually just a distraction. Most women who go into banking, especially IBD it seems, are Type A alpha bitches who don't know how to make banter and have no appreciation for macho humour. If you want pussy go find a girl that doesnt get turned on by spreadsheets.

Idiot.
So a hot girl is a distraction to the poor, helpless boys? F u, go move to the ME if you have to blame women for being distractions. You know what is a distraction? Assholes like you that get in my way and slow me down on my way to the top. Intrinsically irrational? You sir, are fucking ignorant.

I've watched enough porn to know that when you're in an office with hot girls, they seduce you and you have sex and dont get any work done.

Feb 19, 2011
AnonIcelandicBanker:
Zweihander:

There's a reason there are so few women in top management. Because women are intrinsically irrational and putting them in significant positions of responsibility would lead to complete and utter chaos.

As a junior I also prefer not to work with women. Any girl hotter than a 5/10 is usually just a distraction. Most women who go into banking, especially IBD it seems, are Type A alpha bitches who don't know how to make banter and have no appreciation for macho humour. If you want pussy go find a girl that doesnt get turned on by spreadsheets.

Idiot.
So a hot girl is a distraction to the poor, helpless boys? F u, go move to the ME if you have to blame women for being distractions. You know what is a distraction? Assholes like you that get in my way and slow me down on my way to the top. Intrinsically irrational? You sir, are fucking ignorant.

All of the chicks in my office are 8-10s and work as hard as all the boys. If we're distracting you, that's kind of your problem. amen Icelandic banker :)

Feb 19, 2011

I don't think I've read something on here I feel captures how I feel more accurately.

Feb 20, 2011

I'm only addressing the part I don't agree with. Everything else you said, I couldn't have said better myself.

Feb 20, 2011
Jackiesinthesun:

I'm only addressing the part I don't agree with. Everything else you said, I couldn't have said better myself.

Alright, fair enough then. I guess our major disagreement is on something that can't be proven or disproved by either of us: the level of attractiveness of the girls in your office. We'll have to agree to disagree on that one.

Feb 20, 2011
Jackiesinthesun:

I'm only addressing the part I don't agree with. Everything else you said, I couldn't have said better myself.

I'm guessing that you gave me the SB... +1 right back at ya.

Feb 20, 2011

Jumping into the middle of something I probably shouldn't, but I agree that women tend to overrate their own looks or those of other women. That's not to say that I consider myself any authority at all, I've never considered myself handsome or good-looking in the least.

Feb 20, 2011
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Feb 20, 2011
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If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses - Henry Ford

Feb 20, 2011
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Reality hits you hard, bro...

Feb 21, 2011

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