The "Privilege" of being American

ANT and fellow libertarian WSO members among us will find this piece pretty interesting (hyperlink below). It comes from the Wall Street Journal and is written by Lawrence Lindsey, a former Federal Reserve governor. He addresses a comment that Geithner recently made which directly opposes the fundamental principles under which this country was founded - that Americans should pay taxes simply for the privilege of being American.

What do you guys think - another reflection of how American ideals are being thrown in the shitter? Or is the author's point of view just 'old fashioned'?

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204…

 

Tim G should shut the fuck up. Privilege? Suck my dick. The government should feel privileged to receive anything from me. Instead those parasites in Washington think I owe them anything. They think they have the right to steal from me and I won't care.

I feel privileged to have patriots protecting me in the military. Those worthless pieces of trash we call politicians can blow me considering they forcefully take the money I earn to piss away on garbage that curries them favor.

What a curly hair fuck face.

 
ANT:
Tim G should shut the fuck up. Privilege? Suck my dick. The government should feel privileged to receive anything from me. Instead those parasites in Washington think I owe them anything. They think they have the right to steal from me and I won't care.

I feel privileged to have patriots protecting me in the military. Those worthless pieces of trash we call politicians can blow me considering they forcefully take the money I earn to piss away on garbage that curries them favor.

What a curly hair fuck face.

You're so wise, ANT. You're like a miniature Buddha, covered in hair.
 
ANT:
Tim G should shut the fuck up. Privilege? Suck my dick. The government should feel privileged to receive anything from me. Instead those parasites in Washington think I owe them anything. They think they have the right to steal from me and I won't care.

I feel privileged to have patriots protecting me in the military. Those worthless pieces of trash we call politicians can blow me considering they forcefully take the money I earn to piss away on garbage that curries them favor.

What a curly hair fuck face.

What an incredibly ignorant post. I'll quote Elizabeth Warren for you:

"There is nobody in this country who got rich on his own. Nobody.

You built a factory out there? Good for you. But I want to be clear: you moved your goods to market on the roads the rest of us paid for; you hired workers the rest of us paid to educate; you were safe in your factory because of police forces and fire forces that the rest of us paid for. You didn’t have to worry that marauding bands would come and seize everything at your factory, and hire someone to protect against this, because of the work the rest of us did. Now look, you built a factory and it turned into something terrific, or a great idea? God bless. Keep a big hunk of it. But part of the underlying social contract is you take a hunk of that and pay forward for the next kid who comes along."

 
The Gnome:
ANT:
Tim G should shut the fuck up. Privilege? Suck my dick. The government should feel privileged to receive anything from me. Instead those parasites in Washington think I owe them anything. They think they have the right to steal from me and I won't care.

I feel privileged to have patriots protecting me in the military. Those worthless pieces of trash we call politicians can blow me considering they forcefully take the money I earn to piss away on garbage that curries them favor.

What a curly hair fuck face.

What an incredibly ignorant post. I'll quote Elizabeth Warren for you:

"There is nobody in this country who got rich on his own. Nobody.

You built a factory out there? Good for you. But I want to be clear: you moved your goods to market on the roads the rest of us paid for; you hired workers the rest of us paid to educate; you were safe in your factory because of police forces and fire forces that the rest of us paid for. You didn’t have to worry that marauding bands would come and seize everything at your factory, and hire someone to protect against this, because of the work the rest of us did. Now look, you built a factory and it turned into something terrific, or a great idea? God bless. Keep a big hunk of it. But part of the underlying social contract is you take a hunk of that and pay forward for the next kid who comes along."

Since you have provided the Socialist perspective, I will provide the Constitutional prospective...

http://www.youtube.com/embed/glvkLEUC_6Q

 
ANT:
Tim G should shut the fuck up. Privilege? Suck my dick. The government should feel privileged to receive anything from me.
I'm going to start using this as the signature in all my work emails.
If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses - Henry Ford
 

I didn't read the article, but it is a privilege to be an American. I didn't really get that until recently after visiting some very impoverished areas in Asia. I did a study abroad in Mexico in college and thought I had a decent idea of what a third world country was like, but damn, some of the places in Vietnam and Cambodia were on another level of poverty. You can name any number of problems -- our government is corrupt, our educational system is subpar for a developed country, etc., etc. -- but the fact is, you have a better chance of a happy and productive life if you are born in the US than almost anywhere else in the world. That's something be grateful for.

 
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Ravenous:
I didn't read the article, but it is a privilege to be an American. I didn't really get that until recently after visiting some very impoverished areas in Asia. I did a study abroad in Mexico in college and thought I had a decent idea of what a third world country was like, but damn, some of the places in Vietnam and Cambodia were on another level of poverty. You can name any number of problems -- our government is corrupt, our educational system is subpar for a developed country, etc., etc. -- but the fact is, you have a better chance of a happy and productive life if you are born in the US than almost anywhere else in the world. That's something be grateful for.

Just wait until the debt catches up with us, there is (close to) hyperinflation, the $$ is no longer the reserve currency, then we'll see if the US is still the best place to lead a happy and productive life. Our way of life is unsustainable, and our policies have been giving the citizens a way of life that their productivity can't match.

I've been to the 3rd world and developing countries, and I agree with you, we have it good now; but just wait..

 
Genetic:
Ravenous:
I didn't read the article, but it is a privilege to be an American. I didn't really get that until recently after visiting some very impoverished areas in Asia. I did a study abroad in Mexico in college and thought I had a decent idea of what a third world country was like, but damn, some of the places in Vietnam and Cambodia were on another level of poverty. You can name any number of problems -- our government is corrupt, our educational system is subpar for a developed country, etc., etc. -- but the fact is, you have a better chance of a happy and productive life if you are born in the US than almost anywhere else in the world. That's something be grateful for.

Just wait until the debt catches up with us, there is (close to) hyperinflation, the $$ is no longer the reserve currency, then we'll see if the US is still the best place to lead a happy and productive life. Our way of life is unsustainable, and our policies have been giving the citizens a way of life that their productivity can't match.

I've been to the 3rd world and developing countries, and I agree with you, we have it good now; but just wait..

^ Truth

 
Ravenous:
I didn't read the article, but it is a privilege to be an American. I didn't really get that until recently after visiting some very impoverished areas in Asia. I did a study abroad in Mexico in college and thought I had a decent idea of what a third world country was like, but damn, some of the places in Vietnam and Cambodia were on another level of poverty. You can name any number of problems -- our government is corrupt, our educational system is subpar for a developed country, etc., etc. -- but the fact is, you have a better chance of a happy and productive life if you are born in the US than almost anywhere else in the world. That's something be grateful for.

Please read the article before commenting so you don't sound uninformed.

The whole premise behind the creation of this great country, was that you as a human have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. You are not entitled to others hard work and well being - but you are entitled to the fruits of your labor, and if that means sitting on your couch all day, go for it.. This country was not founded on the idea that some monstrous bureaucracy (which was given its right to existence by the people no less) can come and literally take your hard earned income without so much as a thank you. What's even more outrageous is that half the country is carrying the weight of the other half (the non-tax payers) and the government is STILL insisting that we (tax payers) don't pay enough. This is nonsense. The conversation needs to become not how the government can take more from others in order to pay for out of control spending. We need to start focusing on how government (and more specifically sleazy, unqualified and corrupt politicians) can stop taking from its people.

So are we lucky to be Americans? Absolutely. But is it a privilege? Get your hand out of my payroll and GFY.

 

Besides the crumbling infrastructure, I don't see much else that could be considered a privilege. The privilege of 15+ trillion debt? That one day, we'll get stuck with... the privilege of renouncing your citizenship only if you pay a 30% global asset tax. What about the estate tax? That's legit for sure.

And if the very politicians that voted on all these new taxes / tax increases had just acted responsibly in the first place, there would be no need for them. ANT is right, they're parasites, and the toxic mindset that most Americans have about government revenue..."if they cut taxes for manufacturing, where are they gonna make up that revenue?!?" ...is just as bad. There's nothing 'old fashioned' about the principles that founded the best country there ever was, the fact that people even say that really worries me. It's amazing that as soon as the gov't started undermining those principles and our liberties, the USA started falling apart. The system is a sham, and the founding fathers would be ashamed.

 

Yes, there are big problems. I hate our government, no question. I constantly bitch about how social security and medicare are going to sink the country and how we shouldn't be wasting money on bullshit wars. Every country has problems though, and most of them are far worse than what we deal with. If you were to look at the data, I bet 80%+ of the world is on a hand to mouth basis of daily existence. At least in the US you have the opportunity to get educated and participate in a relatively fair capitalist system in which hardworking and intelligent people can advance and accumulate wealth. Good luck trying to do that in some communist police state or a war torn African "nation" or whatever.

 

I don't think it really matters how much Geithner thinks the rich should pay in taxes because Congress ultimately decides the tax rates. We should take Geithner's comment as mere posturing for his boss's reelection by parroting the views of politically relevant billionaires Buffett, Gates, Cuban et al. Not to mention it's just a WSJ op-ed written by an embittered technocrat whose term came to a premature end because he didn't say what his boss wanted to hear.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/09/mark-cuban-get-rich-and-th…

 
GoodBread:
The US is the only country in the world that forces you to file for taxes no matter where you live simply for the privilege of being a citizen. Timmy isn't reinventing the wheel here, Americans have been paying for this privilege for a long time.

Not for the majority of this country's existence.

 
JeffSkilling:
GoodBread:
The US is the only country in the world that forces you to file for taxes no matter where you live simply for the privilege of being a citizen. Timmy isn't reinventing the wheel here, Americans have been paying for this privilege for a long time.

Not for the majority of this country's existence.

Longer than most people on this board have been around though. The first Foreign Earned Income Exclusion was passed in 1962.
 

Goodbread has got it right.

Most Americans aren't even sympathetic to this either.

The truth is you're the weak. And I'm the tyranny of evil men. But I'm tryin', Ringo. I'm tryin' real hard to be the shepherd.
 

Gnome,

Ron Paul does not support completely unregulated free markets. He supports accountability and demands the utmost integrity from the private sector. He looks at the gov't as a referee, not a gamechanger. What you're advocating is a quasi socialist agenda which is proven to not work. He's pointing to holding wall street mega banks accountable for their actions instead of just saying "if you pay us 500 MM, we'll just call it even, eh?"... along with the fed and monopoly money scheme of printing.

I have worked for a governmental entity and a governmental contractor before. Have you? You say they have done good things by building those structures, but I would say they do much more harm than good. 75% of the employees are incompetent, complacent or lazy b/c they know, it doesn't matter what happens, the gov't's got their back. Same goes for contractors, once they land the contract, they don't give a damn after that. Expenses run out of control, take too long to finish menial tasks, etc. Then they bill the gov't for the difference, and they pay! gladly! lol @ them creating wealth. If anything, they create market inefficiencies

 

The rich got rich because of this country being free and stable. You can thank the founding fathers, a strong military and blessed geographic location. The infrastructure that everyone benefits from was built by people seeking a wage. This idea that the rich somehow owe more because they got rich from the existence of the poor is a fairy tale and tissue paper thin morality for government enduced theft.

Gnome, I'd respect you more if you supported the poor simply stealing from the rich. Instead you pretend to wrap your crime with the cloak of legitimacy by having a proxy commit theft for you (uncle sam). Plain fact is you're just to weak to committ the crime yourself.

 

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