Visiting Business Schools in the UK - What I Learned (Part I)

A couple of weeks ago, I spent a little over a week in London to visit some family. Because I’m looking into studying in the UK for my MSc in Finance in a year or so, I thought this would be a great way to visit some schools there. I picked some of the obvious choices, including London School of Economics and London Business School, as well as a couple of not-as-well-known schools, including London Metropolitan University and Birkbeck, University of London. I spent a few days to look around some campuses, do some research on the programs these schools offer, meet some people, shake some hands, etc., etc., etc. After all of this, I thought this would be a great thread to read for anyone who is interested in going to the UK for grad school. My main point for this thread, however, is…are these schools really worth it? This week, I’ll be talking about LSE and I’ll be keeping the thread going through May.

London School of Economics (LSE)

When it comes to LSE, everything you heard from friends or read on WSO or ANT’s website (http://www.msfhq.com) is completely correct.

In my opinion (whatever that’s worth), it really is the best school for a MSc when it comes to the program and particularly, the recruiting. LSE offers 3 different MSc programs: Finance (part- and full-time), Finance & Economics and Finance & Private Equity. Plus, there’s flexibility. If you’re in the MSc Finance, but then realize you want to do PE, there are a lot of electives that you can take for it. There are the usual requirements for potential students when it comes to applying. For starters, they are expecting at least a 3.5/4.0 GPA as well as high GMAT (the advisor I spoke with said some of the recent class averages were around 720 and have been trending higher for the past few years now). Also, there’s the cost: £26,500 or approx $43K for a one year program…and that’s just tuition. They also want prior work experience. But the worst piece of info? LSE has an acceptance rate of around 6%. But what you’re getting is a world-class education in Central London, one of the biggest financial capitals of the world.

I had the opportunity to meet with an advisor and during the discussion, she gave advice for prospective applicants, as well as describing what I call the “benefits” of the school (networking and recruiting). First, when applying, your undergrad background usually doesn’t matter (or matter as much as you may think). If your background is non Econ/Finance/Math, just explain why this degree and this school is a great fit for you. She noted that some of the best graduates, particularly in the finance program, majored in English, Biology, or even a foreign language. Also, she encouraged more students to apply from under-represented areas in the world. Students from Asia, Europe and the UK made up ~80% of the graduate student population, and because of that, LSE really wants more applicants from everywhere else, particularly from the US. She called this a potential “edge” for some applicants.

Finally, the meeting shifted to the benefits of LSE, i.e. recruiting and networking. She showed me a list of the firms that came on campus for recruiting last year. It was simply ridiculous. Name a financial institution or corporation, they were there: small, large, international, PE, IDB, VC, Big 4, F50, S&T, non-profit, IT, anyone, everyone. Also, she mentioned that many weren’t recruiting for just the UK or Europe. They’re also recruiting for Singapore, Hong Kong, NYC, South Africa, Brazil, Dubai and many others. Apart from the usual recruiting season, the school offers so many on-campus presentations that students will always have opportunities to network. This, I believe, is the one main reason why anyone should study here.

So my take on LSE? In my opinion, if you truly have the opportunity to go, take it simply for the recruiting/networking as well as its location in London. The school seems to excel at it and you’ll almost certainly have a great job after graduation. Because of this, I think this is really all the school has to offer that most others don’t. If anyone else has a different opinion on the school, throw it on the board.

So there’s my take on LSE. Let me know what you think or if you have any questions. I still have that contact in the admin office so if you want, I can relay your questions to her. Next week, I’ll be writing about Birkbeck, University of London.

 

I am a UK first year undergrad student and I am interested in going to LSE for MSc Economics 1 year course as a back up if I end up striking out with internships and job offers for when I leave university

The only thing putting me off is the expense and of course needing a 1st, but im hoping that shouldn't be too much of a problem

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Don't even bother with London Metropolitan; regarding LSE, totally agree.

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nauprillion:
great thread. I'm sorry, but why the hell did you check out birkbeck and london met? Imperial and CASS are the only ones in London that are worth checking out besides LSE.

yea where is my school Imperial College?

 

I agree with most of this post; however, having spoken with a couple recent LSE grads (undergrad and grad) I just have two things to add:

1) Just because every single firm will be recruiting doesn't guarantee you a great job. You will have to be on top of your game and recruiting will begin as soon as you set foot on campus.

2) As an extension of number 1, foreign students (including Americans) seem to have a tougher time when it comes to recruiting.

OP -- thanks so much for your contributions.

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jpmoranmonkeysachs:
@ Aragorn: is there any particular reason as to why foreign students (american students) would find it harder? If so is there anyway around it.

It has to do with the red tape (i.e. visa issues, etc.) surrounding the hiring of foreigners in the UK. If you are a rock star, this should be a non-issue, but this may negatively affect those on the cusp.

I think the best way around it is to be, as I said, a rock star. If you crush your interviews, I am sure employers will look past your citizenship. Secondly, leverage the amazing LSE network.

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Aragorn:
It has to do with the red tape (i.e. visa issues, etc.) surrounding the hiring of foreigners in the UK. If you are a rock star, this should be a non-issue, but this may negatively affect those on the cusp.

I think the best way around it is to be, as I said, a rock star. If you crush your interviews, I am sure employers will look past your citizenship. Secondly, leverage the amazing LSE network.

An American girl I knew at LSE got a FT IB job in UK upon graduation. No EU passport.

 

How common is it for US citizen grads of the LSE MSF to get hired by US-based companies?

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LBS is prob the best MBA in the world (tougher to get into than HBS). If you can crank out a 720 on the GMAT then yes LSE is the no-brainer for a Masters. Cass is without a doubt the 2nd best Masters in London. Very specialized courses, strong alumni base because of its location, and teachers with industry experience (think NYU of London).

 

London was heaven once, now it's hell. Even after studying full time, you don't recieve post study work VISA - shitty shitty shitty horrible deal. You really have to be a rockstar, then only the firm selecting you will finance your VISA. Actually they are loosing so many good students from Asia now, because most Asians are scared of the thought of paying back a loan in Pounds with a salary in Peanuts (or whatever Asian currency).

I agree LSE is a great school, but current London job market and immigration red tape is the real dealbreaker!

 
Best Response

OK you can still work in the UK provided you get a job. Before you could apply for a post study work visa and then be free to look for a job at your own pace, or even fuck around if you wanted to for 2 years before getting a job and switching to the tier 1 general work visa. Now, you have to get a job before your student visa is up. After you get the job, the company can pretty easily file for the modified tier 2 visa which replaces the tier 1 general and post study work.

That said, the job market is the bigger issue. I did my degree at LSE and from what I can tell, other people are kind of having issues getting jobs if English is not their first language or aren't in the top 15% (talent wise, not grades since I just had ok grades but I landed a nice ass tech gig).

I will say LSE is an amazing school. I enjoyed my time there and I would do it again without a 2nd thought if I could. The reputation of the school world wide is very good. In fact, I would argue the further you go from London, the better the rep.

As for you list of comparable schools in London, it's:

Tier 1 LSE, Imperial (sciences), LBS Tier 2 Imperial (business school) Tier 3 UCL, Cass Tier 4 Kings Shit Tier Birkbeck

Btw, I am an American too.

 

Huh? Imperial Tier 2? No.

LSE may be better than Imperial in the econ/business sector, but only marginally so. I'd say LSE is first among equals.

For the more quantitative courses, dump LSE, Imperial reigns supreme.

Note - there are schools outside London as well.

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bryan521:
http://rankings.ft.com/businessschoolrankings/european-business-school-… actually heard some good things about Warwick as well...and not so good about Imperial. No way that Imperial is ranked with LBS and LSE. It's like comparing the big leauges and minors. Cass is # 2 then it falls off a little.

The visa situation is a mess. Wish they would change it. But they really want to keep people from moving to London

Cranfield SOM is also very good. Has a good MSF program.

 
bryan521:
http://rankings.ft.com/businessschoolrankings/european-business-school-… actually heard some good things about Warwick as well...and not so good about Imperial. No way that Imperial is ranked with LBS and LSE. It's like comparing the big leauges and minors. Cass is # 2 then it falls off a little.

The visa situation is a mess. Wish they would change it. But they really want to keep people from moving to London

From your link, restricting to just UK schools, 1: LBS 2: Oxford/Said 3: Imperial 4: Cass 5: Cranfield 6: Warwick 7: LSE

I'm guessing there's some misunderstanding somewhere, otherwise I have no clue how your analysis of Imperial VS LBS/LSE equates to Big leagues/minor leagues.

But Rhaegar fought valiantly, Rhaegar fought nobly, Rhaegar fought bravely. And Rhaegar died.
 

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