Don't use your fucking pronouns on your LinkedIn and CV.

After seeing the guy who abused the diversity program, I wanted to say some things about being a LGBT and using pronouns on your LinkedIn and CV.

First of all, using pronouns on your LinkedIn or CV has no benefits but only risks. Most people who work in high-finance are capitalist/anti-liberal/traditional/conservative people, even though you think they're democrats/liberals because of the PR they're doing. So, you're very likely to lose your chance because of your stupid pronouns.

If you're going to work for a financial firm that is doing PR to  ''prove'' that they care about ''equality'' and ''divertsity'' to imbeciles. Put your pronouns anywhere you want, you can even get a tattoo of your pronouns on your forehead. But, if you want to work for a HF, don't use your fucking pronouns. I don't give a fuck if you have two dicks, blue hair, multiple piercings or feel like you're an alien coming from Mars as long as you make profits for the firm. When I see your pronouns on your LinkedIn or CV, it tells me that you're an insecure kid who can't spend a second without announcing your pronouns, and very likely to fuck up in the future because of your insecurities.

A month ago, when I was reviewing some CVs with my assistant, I saw this valedictorian girl from Princeton, who used ze/zir on her LinkedIn page. I thought it was something else but my assistant gave me a lesson about (NEW) pronouns. If ''ZE'' had used he/him or she/her on ''ZIR'' LinkedIn, or even they/them I was going to call ''ZE'' for an interview but ''ZE'' lost ''ZIR'' chance because of ''ZIR'' stupid pronouns.

If you're such a snowflake, and feel the need to use these stupid pronouns, even on your LinkedIn, just don't work in high-finance. Because most likely you will have severe depression and trauma later on life. Even if you have PhD in quantum physics and graduated from MIT and got the nobel prize, but use ze/zir as pronouns, no one will fucking hire you. What the fuck is ze/zir ? If this keep going like this, I will change my pronouns and force all of my analysts to use (pen/is).

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  • Analyst 1 in IB-M&A
Jan 15, 2022 - 9:55am

The fact that the simple addition of two words to the end of someone's LinkedIn profile pissed you off so much means that I am 100% going to start doing this to trigger everyone like you lol

Idgaf about my job I get satisfaction knowing I can do so little to live in your head rent free

NB I don't have a view on this topic I just find your overreaction so funny

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Jan 15, 2022 - 1:05pm
SF3K, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Definitely not an overreaction. People putting "pronouns" on LinkedIn or on their resume are basically signalling that they are annoying whiny insecure little bitches.

And no one wants to work with annoying whiny insecure little bitches.

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Jan 16, 2022 - 5:12pm
Anonymous Monkey, what's your opinion? Comment below:

So if you don't identify as the gender you were born as, and want to make it clear to others, you are automatically an "annoying whiny insecure little bitch".  What if you were trans and wanted to make sure the interviewer got your pronouns correct?  Is it that hard to put yourself in someone else's shoes?

  • Associate 1 in IB - Cov
Jan 15, 2022 - 10:38am

I cringe a little bit when I see people using pronouns literally anywhere.  So weird that this is a thing

  • Analyst 1 in IB - Gen
Jan 15, 2022 - 10:52am

we have a man that changes his pronouns every week and wears a badge for his pronouns for us to not make any mistakes. we're more focused on his pronouns than the pitches we're doing...

  • Research Analyst in HF - Other
Jan 15, 2022 - 11:00am

Don't you somewhat contradict yourself here? If you "don't give a fuck if you have two dicks, blue hair, multiple piercings or feel like you're an alien coming from Mars as long as you make profits for the firm", then why should you instantly ding an applicant for having pronouns when they could be an all-around high quality analyst?

  • Intern in PE - Other
Jan 15, 2022 - 1:10pm

If someone puts pronouns like ZE/ZIR it's probably the case that they'll care about all those things and be annoying about it. Maybe he doesn't care about all those things, but he cares about people being annoying about it. 

Jan 15, 2022 - 1:18pm
IncomingIBDreject, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Based on the later part of his response, I think he means its fine so long as you don't bring it into the workplace, and focus on maximizing returns while in the office. 

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Jan 16, 2022 - 11:53am
TechBanking, what's your opinion? Comment below:

There are more candidates than seats. Why pick the one who is likely a headache and lawsuit risk? They may not be, but why bother with it because the care for virtue signaling tends to permeate their lives? 

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  • Research Analyst in HF - Other
Jan 16, 2022 - 12:08pm

I'm with you on that. Which is why I'd disagree with OP's first and foremost statement that he doesn't care what kind of person you are if you're making money for the firm. You have to be a positive PnL contribution as well as a positive culture contribution. Culture flows through to PnL.

  • Research Associate in AM - Equities
Jan 15, 2022 - 4:42pm

When I see a kid with pronouns, it's auto-ding and then I move on....suggest you do the same as there's no point getting so ticked off by it

  • Analyst 1 in HF - Event
Jan 15, 2022 - 6:47pm

When I interview candidates and see some neo pronouns and they look like a freak it almost 100% ends up being a ding and a waste of my time. 

Jan 15, 2022 - 7:02pm
Legion42, what's your opinion? Comment below:

I used to think that pronouns were the dumbest idea ever created. However, when I saw an actual trans person get beat up, kicked and shoved to the ground, it made me realize to not judge others. We don't know what its like to live in their shoes so its best to support them to live the life they want. Also they obviously know putting their preferred pronoun makes their job application process 10x harder, so the fact that they are mentioning it only brings home the point how much it actually matters to them. 

  • Analyst 3+ in IB - Cov
Jan 15, 2022 - 7:22pm

10/10 this never happened.  I'm 99% positive I've never even seen a trans person once in person in my entire life, much less one getting beat up for being trans.  Sure these things happen on the news, but willing to bet you made that up.  

Jan 15, 2022 - 7:46pm
jackdongalass921, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Thank you, this isn't said enough around here. While HHs may take an interest in your pronouns for DEI seats, any senior banker/financier/PM who sees your pronouns will instantly be turned off. It may be worth it for prospects to get that DEI boost, but take it off as soon as you connect with a senior banker.

  • Associate 2 in PE - LBOs
Jan 15, 2022 - 9:22pm

This is 100% the correct answer. Keep it vague about sex, religion, and [identity] politics in the office. Way better for your career and your interactions with others at your place of work. 
 

Sure, being the brash activist front might score you an analyst seat in Goldman Natural Resources. But long term, there are plenty of uber-capable folks of your exact demographic that are much easier to deal with. And they're going to beat you out as a result. 

Jan 15, 2022 - 10:54pm
_Amadeus, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Say a qualified, male-born person now identifies as a woman but is still in the process of transitioning via hormone therapy, and might get confused for a man visually. Why is it crazy for them to specify their gender identity? That doesn't say anything about whether they are a good investor or not. In that situation, would you be purposefully passing them over? Do you do the same thing with "black sounding" names? 

The fact that you are so emotionally involved in this so as to actively discriminate against people you have never met, despite them being (by your own admission) the top student at a top 5 university in the *world*, tells me that you have a very rigid worldview and are not an objective PM who can adapt to changing environments. Believe it or not, but the market doesn't give a shit about what identities you think are normal. 

Jan 16, 2022 - 2:57am
neink, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Pronouns in the bio is basically a free ad that the candidate will sue you over some woke bs at a certain point. Like someone ''misgenders'' him, doesn't support BLM terrorism or similar nonsense.

Even worse, you might find out that he stores pedo pornography in his work laptop.

Never discuss with idiots, first they drag you at their level, then they beat you with experience.

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Jan 16, 2022 - 1:19pm
neink, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Also, OP, you are wrong. I highly recommend that people who care about these things, put pronouns in the bio. Saves time when looking at CVs.

Never discuss with idiots, first they drag you at their level, then they beat you with experience.

Jan 16, 2022 - 1:42pm
mtvwiley, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Lol based on what? So no one on wall street is socially conservative? Stop talking out of your ass

Jan 16, 2022 - 6:44am
Ironuts, what's your opinion? Comment below:

My take is that it's absolutely fine to put pronouns where ever you want them. CV, LinkedIn, forehead, whatever. Would I hire someone who did so? Not a snowball's chance in hell.

Why can't we let people do whatever the hell they want and use it as part of the screening process? I wouldn't hire such a person as I am 100% certain the fit wouldn't be good, and said person shouldn't want to work with me given I think this way. Everyone ends up being happy.

As OP points out though, there are widely held views within certain industries. If you're a Ze/Zir, maybe you're better of going into tech and accepting that you'd be a misfit in finance? The opposite also applies. 

Jan 16, 2022 - 10:01am
MillánAstray, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Like the OP said, I don't give a fuck what people do or feel or what pronouns they use. I also don't care where they want to put their pronouns.

What I hate is when they correct you for using the wrong pronouns or even feel offended and upload instagram posts bashing people. Look asshole, the strange one here is you, if you want people to treat you as a normal person and feel part of a group, just act normal and don't feel offender start whining when people use normal pronouns.

It's like the gay pride. Why the fuck do they need 1 month to celebrate (I live in SF)? And why do they need to go around half naked and showing their hairy asses? If they want inclusion and to be treated equally, behave like the rest of us.  I don't go around in leather and with my ass out to celebrate the 4th of July.

Jan 16, 2022 - 1:17pm
neink, what's your opinion? Comment below:

The candidate is telling you: I'm holder of extreme political views and I'm going to force them into the work environment, making it toxic for everyone that disagrees, bringing a high risk of potential lawsuits and bad publicity.

Qualified isn't just about technical skills. A candidate like this is a ticking time bomb in terms of social skills. No shit it's an auto ding.

Never discuss with idiots, first they drag you at their level, then they beat you with experience.

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Jan 16, 2022 - 4:39pm
Anonymous Monkey, what's your opinion? Comment below:

The Supreme Court now prohibits discrimination based on sexual orientation and gender identity, ruling that they are protected under the 1964 Civil Rights Act.  While you may not like people who don't identify as the gender they were born, refusing to hire them is illegal.  

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/15/us/gay-transgender-workers-supreme-court.html

What you're doing is no different than some guy in the sixties claiming that they won't hire black people because they "don't fit in culturally".  It's funny how you call others snowflakes when you're too narrow minded to hire people different than you.

  • Prospect in IB - Cov
Jan 16, 2022 - 6:15pm

Then according to the Supreme Courts diversity hiring based on the same should be illegal.

Jan 16, 2022 - 11:40pm
MillánAstray, what's your opinion? Comment below:

The sixties? LOL

It's pretty obvious that the diversity hires nowadays are just being done to meet the quotas and not get cancelled or bashed publicly by the woke mob.

I do think that this will change in the upcoming years with millenials who are more woke than previous generations. Nevertheless, lots of these millenials lack a pair of balls to say things how they are. And I say this as a millenial myself but I just see it in my group of friends friends... some of them are just pussies LOL

Jan 16, 2022 - 11:51pm
gsssa 2050, what's your opinion? Comment below:

OP never said they wouldn't hire transgender people or women, so not really gender discrimination.

Even still it would be almost impossible to prove gender discrimination in the initial screening stage of hiring or even later stages and decisions could easily be justified based off of interview if it came to that.

OP also has freedom of association under NAACP vs. Alabama so is legally allowed to not associate with people for political, religious etc reasons (not discrimination against a group but if working with a person with these pronouns goes against a given religious belief then there is a case to be made).

Also the whole idea that those laws are enforced is insane. If you think BYU grads dont get dinged by the lefty atheist types or that listing membership in Opus Dei on LinkedIn will mean you lose out on some jobs then I dont know what to say. Realistically it's a 2 way street, the mormon mafia will love you instantaneously as a BYU grad but not as xi/xer and the politically correct lefty types will do the opposite. Such is life.

  • Research Associate in AM - Equities
Jan 17, 2022 - 1:47pm

Well that's too bad, because I will refuse to hire anyone who conforms to this gender identify bullshit but I'll cover my tracks with other reasons....as will many, many others I've spoken to and people on this site. We don't want to work with people with severe mental illnesses, tough

Jan 16, 2022 - 11:32pm
exile, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Funniest post I've read in a while. Whenever I see someone with their pronouns listed they instantly lose my respect because that person is going out of their way to try and virtue signal. Either they are a sheep cuck following the herd or they know what they are doing is stupid and they are just trying to manipulate people with virtue signaling.

Jan 17, 2022 - 5:39am
CompBanker, what's your opinion? Comment below:

While I think the OP went a bit overboard in the messaging, there is a lesson to be learned in this thread for applicants. You need to decide how strongly you care about pronouns and the signaling behind them. Many, many people use pronouns as a show of support for trans people, even though their pronouns match their biology. If trans rights are something you believe passionately in, you should probably keep the pronouns on your resume/CV. Afterall, the document is a reflection of who you are. However, if you're not ready to 'fall on the sword' in support for trans rights, I advise you to take it off. There are a great deal many people in this industry who have very negative reactions to pronouns and the people who showcase them, as demonstrated by the original poster. Your resume is going to be seen by 10+ people before you're hired and I'd be surprised if not one of these 10 people rejects your candidacy based on the use of pronouns. The liability of getting sued is a real concern held by senior folks, even if they don't openly discuss it. So make the decision you're comfortable with, but be aware that it is likely to impact your candidacy.

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Jan 17, 2022 - 9:06am
NoEquityResearch, what's your opinion? Comment below:

First thing that you need to understand in the IB hiring process is that no one gives a shit about you. You are barely even seen as a human being. If your MD could hire a machine that makes pitchbooks and models instead, he would.

The problem with the pronouns is that you are demanding from the very opening line of your resume that someone give a shit about who you are. No one does. That's not why you're here. There's usually a line all the way at the bottom of your resumes where you can list hobbies and activities. If you would like to list kayaking, fitness, and member of the LGBT student union, trans rights activist. Go for it. This would be the place. Who you are as a person is sadly an afterthought in the hiring process - it is not the first thing you post. I've worked with some managers for years and they still don't know even the most pertinent facts of my life where I grew up, who did I marry etc. You are not at work to share your life story with the world.

  • Analyst 1 in IB - Cov
Jan 17, 2022 - 12:23pm

You sound like someone who has not worked 1 hour in banking. Who someone is as a person is very important to us when we hire people, and is usually the most important part of the interview process. We also have a few people with pronouns in their LinkedIn despite our founder donating $500k+ to Republicans the last election cycle, and we haven't seen any evidence of mass hysteria or lawsuits so far. 

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