Soooo how much does freshman year summer matter?

Hi all,

I'm a freshman at a semi-target and have an internship, but not exactly a finance internship. The landscape for banking seems to be changing every year so I wanted to ask for some advice off here. I got an offer from a commercial real estate development firm where I would be doing excel work, leasing, acquisitions, and many projects. BUT it's not what you would technically call a finance internship such as PWM.

I've wanted to explore real estate for a while but ultimately want to do IB.

Is a PE/VC/IB internship versus this going to dramatically change my chances for BB?


 

Are you familiar with the process of getting IB/PE internship in the fall? Did you cold call, apply on handshake, etc? Also, would this imply that you have to know Technicals to a T (I.r., study over summer) to land one of these off cycle internships?

 

I disagree with most people here. I’m incoming full time to an EB this summer, and I worked a high school-type job after my freshman year. I went to a target and am non-diversity, for reference.

I know that the landscape has likely gotten more competitive since I recruited 2 years ago, but there’s just no way that a finance internship after freshman year has become the norm. MAYBE it’s become the norm to have an IB, CB, PWM, AM, etc. internship after sophomore year but 90% of the non-diverse kids that I recruited with couldn’t land an IB or PE internship after sophomore year… Those IB/PE seats are just extremely limited for straight white guys until your junior internship.

Again, things may have changed dramatically since I recruited a couple of years ago, but I don’t think that 95% of non-diverse freshman will do IB or PE this summer. Even for sophomore summer, definitely try to land something IB or PE, but it won’t be the end of the world if you have to do AM or PWM.

 

This sounds more accurate to be honest. My semi target has one person doing Boutique IB freshman year (he’s a rockstar at this stuff). Maybe 2-3 doing like healthcare PE or something. Majority don’t even have an internship. I’ve already been doing networking for sophomore summer and I think I can get a boutique IB or PE from a company in Chicago next summer. Just thought that maybe this summer I could give CRE Development a try since I’ll never be able to to try it again.

 

I go to a semi-target and placements for summer 2023 have been absolutely brutal. I know tons of non-diversity candidates that haven't placed and are now recruiting for consulting. The majority of non-diversity placements at my school are MM firms that do OCR here. Almost no non-diversity candidates have placed at an EB or BB (not many do OCR here anyways). The ones that do place well are insane hairdos and, even then, they don't place at GS/EVR/JPM. I would agree with most people here and try to aim for an IB internship off-cycle if you want to place well.

 

Inaccurate. Recruiting is changing every year, and if you are non-diversity, especially at a semi-target, you need to hit the ground running. Not sure where you are pulling the figure for the percentage of IB internships before junior year. Boutique IB internships are very easy to land and race is not a barrier of entry. I would argue Asians are the ones landing most of these internships as they are very proactive and hit the ground in their freshman year. YMMV, because I go to a west coast school full of Asians. Also, OP is at a semi-target, which is drastically different from your background. To have a chance at BB/EB from a Semi-Target, 1-2 internships at a regional boutique IB is crucial. (Not a necessity, I have seen people with internships from F500 companies in strategy/finance roles that break in. But even most of the times, they have at least one regional boutique experience)

OP, your internship for the summer is completely fine. It will help your story stronger if you want to pursue REIB. If not, still helpful as most freshman do not have anything for their summer.

 

You are looking for assurance from people who will have nothing to do with hiring you. With that said, get an internship that is as close as possible to the area of focus when you apply for junior year SA. If you end up doing less than stellar SAs for freshman and sophomore years, it is nothing to lose sleep over. The rest of your resume, networking, personality, and luck play a major role.

 

It’s not insane to suggest a fall internship. The norm in my semi-target’s finance pre-professional club is to get one off-cycle internship before sophomore summer. ~10% of people had finished two off-cycle internships before their junior summer.

The club places pretty well. You definitely give yourself a best shot by getting an off-cycle IB or PE job.

 

Non-target, non-diverse, no connections, pretty much at the bottom of the totem pole.

My freshman year, I worked at a search fund and then over the summer did an acquisitions role at a very small REPE firm. Secured IBSA for soph year at a small MM and junior year for a very well-regarded MM. Your development role seems like a very good place to start, but I would recommend doing off-cycles for your soph year and getting IB your soph summer to make yourself very competitive. Doesn’t have to be anywhere fancy, just something that is IB.

 

I can definitely get sophomore summer at a large MM in Chicago. I just wanted to try out development this summer and the commercial side because it's an investment class I'll want to invest in the future when I have more money.

 

I just finished my freshman year and am working remotely for a microboutique IB. (~10 employees) Cold emailed a whole bunch of random people/places and got on the phone with anyone willing to talk to me. It’s a pretty cool gig tbh and I think I’ll have a decent amount to talk about in the interviews that really matter considering I’m doing some hands on stuff. Been reading Wso for a couple years now and it’s crazy how fast everything moves

 

It's certainly not necessary to meet any requirements, but don't forget that normal interviewing is late in second year of college / summer after second year, so your freshman year internship/job will be the only real item that you can speak about. It's less about competitiveness, more about the benefit of having some experience you can directly point to as you interview.

 

Best comment by far. This is EXACTLY what I was looking for in terms of a reply. Someone who actually recruits us. Thanks again. I assume by finance related internships, if we’re talking RE, then working on loans, acquisitions, amortization schedules, budgeting would count?

 

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