Just came back from Los Angeles what the F happened to this place ?


  1. People living in tents living under bridges even near Beverly Hills/Hollywood areas.

  2. There are people living in tents on Sunset (East).

  3. Blatant caste system is obvious. Toll roads is for the Lexus European high end American/Japanese car owner people. Non-Toll roads is rife with pick-up truck and Wal-Mart gang.

  4. Parking is impossible

  5. Every Dickhead who owns a restaurant offers shit service and expects you to cough up $80 with a $15 tip.

  6. Gas is $7.50 

  7. Not one asshole has decency on the road. Proper third world India style driving. Nobody is courteous zero couthness and absolutely no manners at all. The only way to make a left on some intersections where there is no green arrow is to steal the road during the time frame of switch from the orange to red switch process. 

  1. Even the Singapore Changi airport I flew to IN 2006 IS STILL BETTER THAN THE 2022 MAY KLAX airport.
  1. I never thought I'd see this in the USA, but a guy literally was waiting for me to throw my trash from my car in the gas station trash bin and then started looking for the trash I just threw once I left (peeped him from rear view mirror).

I had to actually let it sink in this was USA. Never thought I'd see that in America. 

  1. Venice Beach is dirty smelly and full of druggies and there's homeless tent people even on the fricken beach.


I live in Texas where gas is $4 ish and we have no tent people and all the roads are clean and all we have is nothing but space. Typical restaurant bill is around $40 for party of 3 if you know a fair place. 

Jesus christ no wonder people are moving in droves to Texas.

I stayed at an expensive hotel btw. I'm NOT A CHEAPSKATE. But yes I will complain about $8 gas even if I spent thousands at a hotel. 

Man, Cali is such a rip-off. Like rats running in a hamster wheel. 

This isn't a money thing. Even if I was rich I'd probably stay in Santa Barbara or San Diego but LA is just a pile of crap. Bel Air Beverly Hills is nice (duh) but that's just a social bubble and not the entire picture. 

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May 13, 2022 - 6:59pm
SafariJoe, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Sorry, but Los Angeles has been like that for a while now.

SafariJoe, wins again!
May 13, 2022 - 6:59pm
streetghost, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Just got to LA for a trip and walked around the downtown. Do any of these people have jobs? They are all just chilling and hanging out on the street in the middle of a weekday.

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May 13, 2022 - 9:35pm
PrivateTechquity 🚀GME🚀, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Progressivism happened. It spreads like a cancer and for LA at this point it's terminal. 

Also no joke, I bet when we look back in 20+ years this is seen as the opium wars on the West. It's wild how much of the stuff is being flooded into the country via China. Just look at these zombies - Life in the big city… Truly


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May 14, 2022 - 9:32am
IncomingIBDreject, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Republicans haven't done anything to stop this.

In the CA runoff election they ran a radio host who said he wouldn't have voted yes to the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and was known to have ties to white supremacists. 

In NYC, they also ran a radio host with absolutely 0 management experience.

Look, I am 100% for political outsiders taking the job but the GOP needs to promote moderate candidates who have managed large companies if they expect to win in liberal strongholds with enough people and GDP to have the complexities of managing a country.

You have to believe at some point this is actually planned so the GOP can point to these failing areas and say "Look what the woke Democrats did!" It's disgusting and shows that politicians don't care about the people but just care about how they can wrangle more power away during a tough situation.


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May 14, 2022 - 10:38am
PrivateTechquity 🚀GME🚀, what's your opinion? Comment below:

I said progressivism, didn't blame Democrats as a whole but they are largely the party of progressives so if the shoe fits... Whether or not the GOP could've fixed things or at least pushed them in the right direction you can't really say because they are not given the chance. Anyone who proposes actual solutions is decried as an uncaring person when if anything it's more cruel and uncaring to let these masses of mentally ill people live in utter squalor.

That civil rights anecdote doesn't make a ton of sense to bring up since the longest filibuster in history was by a group of Democrats to stop the passage Civil Rights Act, so if it weren't for Republicans it never would have been passed in the first place... Also wasn't there recently on the ballot in CA a proposal to repeal civil rights discrimination legislation in order to allow previously banned affirmative action practices in the name of "equity"? I'm not saying the GOP is perfect by any means and I shit on them plenty, all the old school and neocon figures are fucking blights on conservatism imo, but if we're talking about California specifically it's been Democrat controlled at nearly every level for decades now. Look at all the cities with the worst homelessness problems in the country and it's pretty clear which party passes the policies that enable this type of behavior to continue and/or increase unabated. To argue otherwise would make about as much sense as saying Democrats aren't responsible for the terrible state of Chicago despite them having controlled the city for the better part of 100 years.  

I agree with you that a lot of problems in this country are deliberately allowed to fester to create a wedge issue that either party can use to maintain power. Largely speaking, they don't give a fuck about anyone but their oligarch-tier donors. 


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May 14, 2022 - 12:35pm
PrivateTechquity 🚀GME🚀, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Also to add, I agree with you that the GOP fields a lot of shit candidates in blue state races. I genuinely liked Larry Elder in CA but aside from him most of the names I see running in CA/IL/NY and so on are underqualified/unimpressive like you said. I figure part of that can be explained away by the party not wanting to waste money running a good candidate on a race they likely wouldn't win regardless. A good politician has a time and a place, but the realities of where you're running a campaign is often as important if not more so than how you're running a campaign. That's why people make such a big stink over redistricting/gerrymandering every 10 years because it changes all of those dynamics. Until a major city completely collapses in on itself under the weight of poor policy-making I don't expect we will see any good candidates pop up in the major blue state races, and for that to be allowed to happen the Federal govt can't be allowed to bail out said states with the Fed's magic printer.


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May 15, 2022 - 9:07am
IncomingIBDreject, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Does Vermont even have a real city?


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May 15, 2022 - 9:33am
Anonymous Monkey, what's your opinion? Comment below:

How are West Virginia and Kentucky doing?  Oh right... less developed that Poland.. lmao.  According to white nationalist types those states should be paradise: very few liberals or minorities


May 15, 2022 - 9:33am
joemother6969, what's your opinion? Comment below:

HDI is heavily skewed by GDP per capita, which favors densely-population states as corporations are registered there and thus their international income is added to the state's GDP. For instance, if all of the FAAMGs moved from California to North Dakota, North Dakota would suddenly see a massive surge in HDI to eclipse California.

May 14, 2022 - 9:18am
IncomingIBDreject, what's your opinion? Comment below:

When you say BH/Hollywood are you saying near the Walk of Fame area? Where exactly did you see the homeless? 


May 14, 2022 - 9:52am
Xhamster02, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Because liberal. This is what their vision is. Elite and ultra poor and nothing in between. Unaffordable housing. Open borders to keep the influx coming. Give the poors a pittance and keep them voting for it. The decline of this country already started. It should be obvious. Kamala said that CA is the model for the country. They are on track.

May 14, 2022 - 10:03am
IncomingIBDreject, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Not sure if you've been to LA but BH/Hollywood and Venice Beach are upscale areas. They aren't middle class by any means. Unless the LA elite literally want homeless people on their doorsteps and the malls they shop in (which I highly doubt) their plan isn't working. 


May 14, 2022 - 10:54am
Arroz con Pollo, what's your opinion? Comment below:

I'm not a fan of LA. Visited LA, Malibu, and Pasadena in 2016 (I think). Malibu is beautiful but way too expensive. Pasadena a nice suburb but once again, insanely expensive. LA the city was garbage rider. Hollywood was disgusting.

May 14, 2022 - 12:17pm
Risk Weighted Ass, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Houston has plenty of crazy homeless people in the city too and then there are nice places. Just like Cali has LA but also has nice places like Santa Barbara as you mentioned.

Just more exaggerated in Cali but that happens whenever you have more densely populated area, especially in places by the water with nice weather. If I was homeless I would live in Cali as well.

May 14, 2022 - 12:29pm
ElMonkéGrande, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Houston doesn't have a ton of homeless people; sure, we have our fair share, but they did a pretty good job in the 90's and 00's dealing with it before it got out of hand. Right now the city is really struggling with gang violence. It's spreading to affluent areas. In Jan, one guy was injured and another killed in front of a luxury building in RO shopping district - no one involved lived around there. This month one guy was shot in the Valet line in front of the Galleria by JOEY Uptown. That's the biggest issue facing the city right now imo.

May 14, 2022 - 1:10pm
YabberShneebs, what's your opinion? Comment below:

San Diego ain't much better than LA lol. But LA is a shithole, only nice place is pacific palisades or Malibu. Or if you go down further south you can hit south Orange County which is nice:

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May 14, 2022 - 1:45pm
GoingToBeAnMD, what's your opinion? Comment below:

I grew up in LA. Mostly the Glendale/Pasadena area (parents still live there), went to high school in the San Gabriel Valley, my sister went to high school in The Valley. I was fortunate to get a job after college that had me working & living in Beverly Hills (BH proper, but just south of Wilshire, which might as well be Compton to the BH socialites). I used to take my evening strolls on Rodeo Drive for exercise and I once even made $200 for calling the paparazzi on Britney Spears (they pay for that). This was all circa 2003. 

I am no longer in CA but enjoy visiting (or at least I used to). I was last there when I took a long weekend there for my birthday in 2021. It has changed. First off, I drove there, didn't fly, so I was able to see a lot of neighborhoods besides where my hotel was. My overall feeling - that remains to this day - is that something has gone fundamentally wrong in LA. Its not just the people or the drugs or the mental health or the politics. Its all of that and none of that and some of that all at the same time. Bottom line, the problems that LA has right now are not something that are going to be solved with money and homeless shelters alone. There are some deep, deep issues at a variety of levels that need to be addressed before any of that changes. 

Most of all, I was shocked at how much the problems that existed in parts of LA are now in all of LA. On my birthday trip I was upgraded to an insane 2-bd suite at The Beverly Wilshire and I basically never left the BH triangle. Keep in mind that the triangle is arguably one of the richest pieces of real estate in the entire world, I'd put it up against piece of land you can think of. And even there you saw homelessness, panhandlers, etc, stuff that you would have never, ever seen even just 10 years ago. My trip was also the week after a gang of thieves assaulted a man, within the triangle, in broad daylight trying to steal his Richard Mille. Who does that??? I would also walk around to go to all my old spots and there are some seriously mentally ill people. The majority of them can really only be described as zombies. No life, dead eyes, but still (somehow) standing upright and walking around. I know zombie sounds like hyperbole, but I'm serious, there are some seriously ill people in LA. I had a better time staying at my hotel and ordering room service with my dog (they treated him well too) than going out and dealing with LA. 

No matter how you want to argue about the politics that caused the problems in LA, the one thing I know for sure is that they are going to take a long time to fix. 

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May 14, 2022 - 1:53pm
papertiger, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Do you have a wider perspective ? Have you been abroad to other major famous glamorous metros? What are your thoughts on Dubai Vs. LA ? 

My guests were Arabs and they were telling me they preferred Dubai over LA. They said in Dubai they vacate all ugly dirty looking homeless people to secluded zones and you don't have the zombies walking around.

LOL I get your anything south of Wilshire comment. After the Wilshire and La Cienega intersection's north side quadrant, anything south just seems like another world.

Hell even Rodeo Dr to the far south end seems just like any ordinary suburb at night which I presume is enough to put a frown on the jet-set global elite that live on the North side of Rodeo. 

I really enjoyed the BH Hotel and the waitresses there though. Hottest waitresses I've ever seen. Even the fellow dine-in people were beautiful.

May 14, 2022 - 4:41pm
GoingToBeAnMD, what's your opinion? Comment below:

FYI Wilshire and La Cienega are decidedly not the triangle - it's not even BH - and its to the east, not the north. The hotels in that area will call themselves "beverly hills" but thats just to charge more to stupid tourists. You arguably can't even walk to BH from there, you need a car/uber. 

When you are in the triangle, the people there are indeed beautiful. Lunch on the patios there is one of THE places to be seen among the socialites. If you take the combined net worth of people having lunch on a random Tuesday in the triangle, it would probably equal the GDP of any number of countries around the world :) When I did go out on my last trip, I shopped on Rodeo, lunch at Il Fornaio, haircut at Christophe's (ask for Jacky B, that guy has the touch and he does David Beckham's hair) and ate A5 Wagyu at Spago's (don't even ask about that bill!). 

That's what makes the homeless just so shocking in LA now. It's literally everywhere and just to such a "deeper" degree than anything I could have imagined growing up there. Something has just plain gone fundamentally wrong in California. 

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May 15, 2022 - 2:22am
anothergodammasian, what's your opinion? Comment below:

They said in Dubai they vacate all ugly dirty looking homeless people to secluded zones and you don't have the zombies walking around.

This is true, you will next to never find someone homeless in dubai because they'll get kicked out.Also the "poor people"(immigrant workers etc) live in different parts of the city,it's actually quite cheap there, while all the expats live in posh areas, also you will NEVER see someone do drugs in public, unless you are an ARAB you will get kicked out if you are poor/don't have a job and if you are ARAB, well the government takes care of you

May 14, 2022 - 5:29pm
joemother6969, what's your opinion? Comment below:

So uncivilised. It seems our former colony in the Strait of Malacca or the port we won im the Opium Wars have done far better with their (nonexistent) crime rates, sky-high GDP per capita and overall much more coherent societies.

May 14, 2022 - 7:35pm
Sequoia, what's your opinion? Comment below:

"There are some deep, deep issues at a variety of levels that need to be addressed before any of that changes."

mind elaborating on this? Familiar with SFs issues but less so with LA

May 14, 2022 - 8:13pm
GoingToBeAnMD, what's your opinion? Comment below:

I'm not sure I can really eloquate those out. To a large degree I'm divorced from it because I don't live there any more and I rarely visit. LA can fall off into the ocean for all I care, just make sure you leave Palm Springs alone so I can still golf there :). But I'm sure it's a combination of anything from education, taxes, legalized drugs, political choices, weather, etc. To what degree for each one of those is a highly subjective debate. But again, the problem there is just so clearly overwhelming that it's not going to be solved with some fundraising and some ribbon cutting ceremonies. It's going to be a while. 

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May 14, 2022 - 3:59pm
papertiger, what's your opinion? Comment below:

This issue is I went to No. 3 in 2006. It STILL beats 2022 KLAX.

That is the issue. American public infra is just ???

May 15, 2022 - 9:34am
Synergy_or_Syzygy, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Sure, I legitimately love living in LA. My theory is that living in LA is a lot better experience than visiting LA, and paper tiger had a shitty friend being a tour guide and should have hit me up. This is like the classic list of mistakes that tourists make (visiting downtown LA, Hollywood, Beverly Hills, and Venice Beach is like a MEME of dumb places to go). I could make a post "Just got back from Texas, visited downtown Houston and it was miserably humid, there are gang members and morbidly obese 300lb people everywhere" but what's the point?

Section 1. OP observations are "correct" but wildly incomplete

OP's observations boil down to a few things which I'll summarize:

1) A ton of complaints about poor and homeless people -- Yes, agreed and this is one of the major gripes of people who live here. However, my hot take is this doesn't really impact your life a ton unless you're walking around everywhere, or you're a bleeding heart, or if you're very easily triggered by poverty. It also is very localized.

2) Toll roads, I actually have only been on one in 8 years of living here, and that's in OC/San Diego driving and that's not even LA

3) I go to restaurants with amazing service which are not exorbitantly priced, I don't even understand this argument. Even taco trucks have great service with a smile.

4) Gas is expensive, yeah, it's really $6 instead of $7.50 but whatever, I also go to Costco for gas

5) Driving is crazy, ok, I'll take LA driving in traffic over what I experienced in the South

6) Airport is not as good as Singapore (????????) yeah for sure dude, by the way PEK is better than LGA, DCA, LAX, and SFO combined. 

Section 2. Why living in LA is better than being a tourist

If you're working in finance, tech, or some other good job, living in LA is way better than being a tourist. Here's why:

1) Most of the value of SoCal relates to weather. You can go out and run, bike, swim, golf, and surf every single day of the entire year, and drive to camping and skiing. This doesn't have as much value when you're spending 3-5 days somewhere, but when you spend 365 days it makes a big difference.

2) You have to know where to go. I've been to Venice Beach...once. I've been to Hollywood...once. Then I learned from these mistakes and know which beaches and areas to go to. OP didn't go to Manhattan Beach, or Malibu, or hike in the canyons, or visit the Getty, or Pasadena, or see a comedy club or the LA Philharmonic, etc. I'm sure OP went to stupid restaurants as well, which in this city you only have yourself to blame, you would have been better off blindfolded throwing darts on Yelp.

3) Living in a home helps, and the older you get, the better LA is. If you're looking for the fanciest experience as a tourist, it doesn't stack up to NYC, or Tokyo, or London. If you're living in a house, though, this completely flips on its head. There literally aren't nice single family homes available in these other Tier 1 cities, whereas LA has them everywhere. With a family, it's not even comparable. LA is stuff to do year round (point 1) and you won't be visiting super fancy restaurants all the time. You drive from your house to where you're going, have a blast, and go back to your house. I wouldn't live anywhere else.

Section 3. Where to go in LA as a tourist

1) Museum - Go find a museum you are interested in, and go to that. It's rather like visiting DC, if you're not going to a museum you're wasting a lot of potential. Getty or a trip to the Getty Villa (combined with e.g. Malibu Beach, Mastros Ocean Club) are good places to start

2) Entertainment - Go find live music, comedy, or other performances. Disney Concert Hall, Hollywood Bowl, SoFi stadium, Greek theater, Laugh Factory, Comedy Store, etc.

3) Eating - this is a really personal list, but I think you would be actually mentally challenged to visit LA and not eat Mexican food. Not at a "high end restaurant" (though Javiers or Red O are not bad), but eat from the food trucks. From there, it depends on your palette, but I think in LA you should definitely not judge the quality of a place by its prices. If you like steaks I recommend "Meat" on Ocean; Mastros also works but is much more "high key" if that makes sense. 

4) Beaches - Manhattan Beach, Hermosa Beach, Malibu, perhaps South Santa Monica beach (if seeing a homeless person doesn't make you want to run away to Mommy), Newport Beach (OC)

5) Advanced + Asian - Korea Town karaoke, Sawtelle ramen, South Pas/Alhambra/Monterey Park for Chinese food (if you're on the west side could do Sichuan Impression or Haidilao hot pot), Hsi Lai Temple (way east but worth), Wat Thai (Buddhist temple + food stalls in the Valley), The Japanese Garden (Encino), 626 Night Market in Pasadena

Conclusion: Only visit if you have someone to show you around, but living in LA is better than all other IB cities

Be excellent to each other, and party on, dudes.
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May 14, 2022 - 5:57pm
Fiscal Turtle, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Rick Caruso winning the mayorship would be a giant step towards the city's rehabilitation


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May 14, 2022 - 6:06pm
us_ski2022, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Yeah Texas', where the governor is using the national  guard to play slapass at the border, banning abortion, and shut down border traffic for political points

May 14, 2022 - 6:37pm
bands_bands_bands, what's your opinion? Comment below:

TLDR: It's really expensive and there are homeless people in the second biggest metro area in the US (shocker)

I'm biased because I'm from the area, but the idea that LA is now some favela or something is just ludicrous. There are still very very nice and beautiful parts of the city. I admit that the homeless problem is getting out of hand, but the idea that the city sucks now is just what people from Bumfuck, Fly-over-states tell themselves to cope. Regardless of your opinion on it, a lot of LA is actually being gentrified right now.  I think we need some serious policy changes, and I don't think it will be easy, but it's still LA we are talking about, you know the place where every (hyperbole) celebrity lives?

I think Rick Caruso could do wonders as mayor

May 14, 2022 - 7:54pm
PeterMBA2018, what's your opinion? Comment below:

The cope here is the "every other place sucks" line you're feeding yourself to feel better about paying outrageous taxes and home prices to live in a place with drug addled homeless people on every block 

May 14, 2022 - 8:26pm
bands_bands_bands, what's your opinion? Comment below:

ok bro you've clearly never been here or you would now there aren't homeless drug addicts on every corner unless you're in skid row. It's a HUGE, wealthy city with great weather all year and you are surprised homeless people come here?  Also when did I say everywhere else sucks?  I'm just tired of people from shitty little towns acting like they wouldn't want to live in LA because some guy on the internet said its a liberal slum. Find me the perfect place to live in the US. A lot of things are great about Texas and Florida but you can literally go to jail for smoking weed there. Backwards af.

I agree taxes suck, but that's kinda the cost of living on the west coast or New York. I do well.

May 14, 2022 - 7:17pm
financeabc, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Homeless is not an LA thing it is big city issue.  My guess is that big cities offer free services that a homeless person needs such as shelters, food banks, etc, and that why they tend to end up in these cities.

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May 14, 2022 - 7:23pm
InvestmentSpanker, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Everyone keeps talking about how many homeless people there are in Beverly Hills, Hollywood and Venice...??? Yeah, no shit. So much more to LA than Rodeo drive and Venice Beach. This is like going to NYC and complaining about Homeless in Midtown Manhattan

May 14, 2022 - 8:14pm
T30Alumnus, what's your opinion? Comment below:

That's fine, don't go to Beverly Hills. Go give some handies out in East LA or Long Beach to make ends meet 

May 15, 2022 - 9:14am
IncomingIBDreject, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Yes, they would be equivalent and I don't see why it is wrong to call it out. Like if Staten Island doesn't have homeless what relevance is that to the average WSO user?


May 15, 2022 - 9:34am
JSmithRE2010, what's your opinion? Comment below:

You don't seem to understand what he is saying. Midtown Manhattan / Beverly Hills / Venice Beach are not the desirable areas you think they are. If you know New York, you wouldn't spend time in Midtown. If you know LA, you're not hanging out on Venice Beach.


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May 14, 2022 - 8:58pm
Reallyouthere, what's your opinion? Comment below:

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