I do not take the concepts of an act of war war and treason lightly. I tend not to seriously throw these words around unless warranted. I am not a lawyer but how is thousands of people invading the Capitol with weapons not an act of war. Also, if it is an act of war, wouldn't the POTUS's behavior rise to the level of treason?
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Expecting the WSO Ben Shapiro/Alex Jones caucus to show up here.
neink
and whoever else I don't bother to @ right now.
Funny because it's the usual far left guys writing paragraphs below....
because guys like neink are too retarded to come up with their own thoughts. They watch an alex jones video, get convinced he's right, but have no way to explain their rationale.
Right on queue.
I’d take more of these iamverysmart quips seriously if diction and spelling weren’t murdered so often
Good catch, will lace up and take laps for that one.
Well, they're mostly white, so anything they do is fine.
Even though it is a very old book, one of the best pieces of reading I ever committed myself too was "Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds" by Charles Mackay. In it he described numerous examples of the insanity of mobs, con-men, and delusional thinking. The idea that a group will get together and be willing to spend money, spend time, hell even die for something that is fundamentally not true is a powerful force that has existed long before our republic.
If this is not war, if this is not treason it is at the very least the enabling of a mob that pretty much ever level headed individual can agree is completely delusion - their tether with any sense of reality has been completely severed. I have parents that believe in this retarded dog shit, and unfortunately when you have a individual that can weild the power and dignity of the presidential office for nefarious purposes he can choose to enable and encourage retards to be exceptionally more retarded, rather than doing the right thing and admitting defeat. We all had people like this in high school - the people that would encourage and cajoll the retarded kids into doing retarded things because they felt it was funny. This is just a grown up version of that mentality, but used to feed power and ego rather than simple kicks.
Its a powerful thing, trying to enable and guide the mob. Revolutionary france saw plenty of opportunistic actors trying to guide the mob from side to side, Girondins, terror, thermoidorian reaction, etc. Guiding the mob is a pendulum that goes back and forth, and the same thing was experienced in the Haitian revolution, the revolutions in Latin America, etc. As a leader, if you succumb to the desire to encourage the mob you are morally bankrupt, and quite frankly ignorant (the mob will turn on you eventually). Its one of the reasons I find our republic exceptional, most revolutionary governments had much larger back-and-forths of reprisals and mob led violence than the US.
So I think the POTUS wanted to continue to stoke the flames of the mob. Whether that is treason or an act of war is for minds smarter than myself to comprehend. What I know though is that stoking the flames of rancor and discontent in the minds of simpletons (the mob) rarely works out for the people doing the fanning. I cant imagine history will be any more favorable for mr trump if he chooses to continue going this route.
Because its these people:
I don’t think Trump himself foresaw what would happen at Capitol Hill. I’m paraphrasing here, but he said that we should March to Capitol Hill and cheer our Senators and not cheer for some of them and then he said “you have to be strong.” Not really a call to violence. I don’t think he ever encouraged or expected the disorder that took place yesterday. So is he responsible for this? I don’t think so, that was just a crowd of people being irrational idiots
My issue is if you spend months telling people one of our most sacred institutions (voting / democracy) is rigged, and you are coming from a place of authority (the presidential office), yet you have no evidence of that rigging you are whipping people into a frenzy on a bold faced lie. If you tell people that trust you that the world is coming to an end you have an obligation to shoulder some of the blame when the world comes to an end, whether or not the crowd is exceptionally stupid.
While it is difficult to foresee the exact event that unfolded, I would argue that Trump is intelligent and he clearly had to have seen something bad unfolding. Shit, I live in DC and everyone was waiting for some nonsense to pop off because of the ingrates that were encouraged to march on the city.
Ultimately Trump either knows he lost the election fully (which seems to be the case based on reporting within the white house), and he is leading people on a crusade on a lie that he knows will get some people killed. Or he genuinely believes he won the election, which is honestly a scarier proposition as that would mean he has gone completely insane rather than just maliciously bad.
No evidence? Uhh, it's been presented many times over. Courts dismissed cases not for lack of evidence but for procedural reasons (too early, too late, no injury, etc.). Yes, there is evidence to suggest there were issues with the election just like in 2016. Difference is, in 2016 is was $100k of Facebook ads, 2020 saw statistically significant changes in votes. Anyone who says there is no evidence is either a media lemming or is acting in bad faith.
MS me all you want but it doesn't mean I'm wrong
No, the monkey shit doesn't mean your wrong. The entire basis of your argument is, though.
Please cite me a case in which the merits of the argument were conceded but rejected for procedural reasons.
And please, show me the "statistically significant changes in votes". And define it, too. Because in 2016 there were "significant changes in votes" from 2012... is that a case for election fraud? Your argument is so broad, so stupid, and so confidently asserted that it opens up a challenge to every election unless the vote counts exactly mirror the prior election.
You don't get to tell me that if I say there is "no evidence" then I'm acting in bad faith. How about this. You and Donald Trump are both pedophiles and mass murderers, and anyone who says there is no evidence is either a media lemming or is acting in bad faith. See how that goes? Anything that can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence, and seeing as you've provided none, we'll thank you to stick your head back up your ass and join your fellow terrorists in Washington DC.
I disagree. The storming of the Capitol by thousands of people with weapons IS an act of war. When you watch his video and the disgusting justification of the storming of the Capitol, he may have crossed the line into committing treason.
No it isn’t. Act of war refers to military action between two countries. Don’t let yourself become radicalized. These people will face serious criminal charges.
The 105 IQ liberals can’t resist this one can they.
No one will charge these criminals with treason. Other crimes yes. It’s a hallmark of authoritarianism to charge civilians, even when they are violent and deranged, with treason. You simply charge them with murder, assault, terrorism, etc. You don’t legitimize domestic political extremists as enemy combatants by charging them with treason.
Timothy McVeigh bombed a federal government building killing hundreds and was not charged with treason.
Nidal Hasan murdered over a dozen US Army soldiers on a US Army base while serving in the US Army and was not charged with treason.
Eisenhower commuted the sentence of an American citizen who fought for Japan during WWII and literally tortured US POWs.
Treason isn’t happening and you sound like nutjobs for suggesting it.
Dude, unless you are an attorney with a high intellect, I think you should think twice about making disparaging remarks about liberals and their intellect. Lots of people consider the POTUS's actions to be treasonous, including his own fucking legal counsel.
https://news.yahoo.com/white-house-counsel-reportedly-concerned-0436003…
You’re not even able to understand that I am talking about the civilians who broke into Capitol not members of government like the president. You said they committed an act of war which is so ridiculous that it’s difficult to comprehend.
I agree it's not treason in this case. They weren't defying the US nor the US Congress. They weren't betraying the US nor actively trying to overthrow it.
They were defying the particular action the US Congress was doing.
Still, lock them up though.
I'm pretty sure this is the definition of sedition. An armed force, occupying the Capitol Building? If that doesn't qualify, literally nothing does. If you all you have to do is hide behind the technicality of "well, I didn't agree with Congress" then nothing can ever be treason or sedition, because everything is subjective. These terrorists were objecting that Congress has the right to confirm a Chief Executive they don't want - that is, they don't think Congress has the authority to do that over their specific objections. Violently disrupting Congress in order to force them to obey their own views is textbook sedition. Not one of these terrorists should ever see the outside of a prison cell, ever again.
Can you name an example of armed terrorist group taking over the Capitol of a modern democracy and not being charged with treason? There is a very large gap between a random act of violence, and a coordinated attempt to take over the state (which is essentially what occurred yesterday).
First off, just because he wasn't charged with it, doesn't mean it wasn't. Second, and as I mentioned before, a random act of violence perpetrated against a government building is a lot different than an attempt to stage a coup.
I agree that under a technical definition treason isn't happening. But it's sibling, sedition, is. Not that I expect most of these people to go to jail, or for their organizer to. Mr Trump will walk away scot free and so will the vast majority of the people in the Capitol building, on the grounds of their ethnic background and skin tone.
You are officially in the gang with neink and thomas and that tech guy. Good job and congrats.
In the last 6 elections, 4 had members of congress objecting to the certification of the electoral votes. The majority of the blame needs to be on Trump and the psychos like Lin Wood who instigated these crowds. But this event was 20 years in the making, and I hope that regardless of who wins next time, congresspeople will accept the results.
Do you not know the definitions of war and treason?
Let's be clear, they committed sedition.
Those idiots who stormed the Capitol will be charged with lots of federal crimes and deserve to rot in jail. But they weren't declaring war (they don't have the legal power to) nor committing treason (this one is debatable IMO).
First of all, war is an act btw 2 sovereign (or one's that claim to be) nations. There was absolutely none of that.
Second, it'd only be treason if they were actively trying to overthrow the US government or parts of it.
The mob was defying a particular act that the Congress attempted. They weren't trying to overthrow Congress. That seems like textbook sedition to me, not treason.
4) the term “act of war” means any act occurring in the course of— (A) declared war; (B) armed conflict, whether or not war has been declared, between two or more nations; or (C) armed conflict between military forces of any origin;
Source: Law.Cornell
Define military forces for me.
Law enforcement doesn't count as military force nor does an angry mob without a clear cut command structure, btw only some of whom were armed.
I'm going to speak from the heart here, and I feel like a lot of people might agree with me deep down, and I know I'm going to get a lot of MS for this, but...
Storming the Capitol honestly looked pretty fun, and if I wasn't worried about repercussions to my career, I'd have gone. I think it would have been a blast to loot the Senate chamber and dance on top of a politician's desk. I bet I probably could have looted some pretty sweet items too. And honestly, I like the idea of uppity senators trembling in fear as some bubba-looking rednecks smash their office up.
Well if you put it that way....
Ngl, I laughed so hard when I first heard the news. Then I realized how dangerous for the country it is.
I'm all for bunch of Senators realizing that they suck. But this kinda act belongs in a comedy show not real life... I hope you're just joking around.
The US is a comedy show. Am I really the only one who finds this whole thing hilarious?
nope
I'm sure the 4 people who died and the injured police officers would disagree on it being "pretty fun"
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Ben Sasse 2024 though.
I'd vote for this guy in a heartbeat.
Yes, let's listen to the QAnon mob looting the capital building.. get out of here with this non-sense. And don't say they represent the average voter's concerns. they are cultists.
I said a while ago that Republicans were the enemy in this country. That was going too far because I choose to believe there are some Republicans left that don't support the madness from yesterday. However, the Trump cultists still continue to prove themselves to truly be the enemy. It's unfortunate that Biden likely won't do what's necessary to snuff them out but anybody not in the cult can now see they are an existential threat to freedom in this country. These people attempting to end the electoral process yesterday is proof positive of this.
From now on the only appropriate response to any Trump supporter is to simply call them a cultist and move on because reason, logic, facts, reality, etc, will clearly not be processed in their brains.
have you guys forgotten that people literally took over a part of Seattle? and called it an autonomous zone half a year ago? No one cared. This stuff at the capital was not a directly ordered attack by Trump, the violence itself was condemned by Trump, and people that broke the law were arrested and investigated. No it's not an act of war lol
Hey Richard don't hide under anon.
People continually complain about Congress being corrupt yet cry for the safety of politicians when rioters break into the Capitol building.
Capitol building is just a safe space for politicians to have their pathetic group therapy sessions. Don't worry, that building is insured.
If only you cared about the small businesses and private property that was destroyed by ANTIFA rioters last year.
Yeah in that building are also your lords and masters like Rubio, Cruz, Hawley, and Cotton.
Also fuck your parents if they don't have insurance.
People on here call Trump and his supporters the enemy of the country.
However, Biden and Harris got the support of mega corporations, investment banks, big tech, Hollywood pedophiles, the mainstream media, big pharma; China and every other Globalist organization. Trump's donors were mainly rural farmers and police unions.
See a list of Biden's donors below.
https://www.opensecrets.org/2020-presidential-race/joe-biden/contributo…
https://www.forbes.com/sites/michelatindera/2020/05/06/here-are-the-bil…
https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2020-election-trump-biden-donors/
Everyone in my office supported Biden. That makes me the least popular guy in the office.
Supporting the Biden/Harris administration is essentially a pledge to side with all the elitist organizations. But hey, sell your soul for a bit of money... right?
You can criticize the right wingers on this forum all you want but most of the Liberals on this forum are born rich spoilt brats. At the end of the day you will go home to your high-rise apartment / mansion in a gated community far away from minorities/blacks/immigrants.
Butthurt poor ass kid with low IQ complaining. Nothing new. Grow a pair.
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