5 Steps To Becoming A Rockstar Freshman (Undergrad Advice)

I've seen a lot of freshman and HS grads wondering how to land internships or gain relevant experience early on in their undergrad careers. Every year the job market becomes so much more competitive for those of us wanting to break into finance. I'd like to share what I believe to be the keys to success as a freshman trying to break in - for those who want to start as soon as they touch down in college. It's what I did and found to be successful!

5 Steps To Becoming A Rockstar Freshman

1. Extracurriculars
As a fresh high school grad, there is only a finite amount of things you can do to demonstrate your interest. As soon as I got to CC I joined the stock market club and realized there wasn't even a finance club. This was a great opportunity to take initiative and demonstrate leadership capability; I founded a finance club. This was a great discussion point in my interviews. Most schools will already have something like this, join ASAP and be as involved as possible! The more you learn the more you can talk about in your interviews.

2. Technical Knowledge (Or not.)
You're really not expected to know much. Unless you went to one of those elite prep schools that makes you select a major in high school, and you've already taken intermediate corporate finance because your dad is a hedge fund manager - you will not be grilled on technicals. I believe most useful thing would be to subscribe to WSJ and check it on a daily basis. After even a month, you will have a good idea of what is going on in the markets, politics, and business world. I also recommend subscribing to WSO's daily "Morning Brew," and The Economist as they are always fun and relevant reads. Your interviews will be all about fit, your experiences, and whatever is listed on your resume. So I wouldn't put things like "excel," "powerpoint," & "word" under the skills section on your CV, unless you really are an expert - you can be called out for this. Know yourself, know what's going on in the world, and stick to what you know - don't make a fool out of yourself trying to flex knowledge you do not have and you're on the right wave!

3. Networking
I know you guys have heard of this a million times on WSO, but I cannot emphasize it enough. If you are interested in an internship or opportunity to work part-time, do your research. Find employees on LinkedIn and reach out to them; don't be too forward, just tell them who you are and where/what you study. You're interested in learning about them and what they do at their job. You'd like to learn about the culture at XYZ firm because you are interested in their business operations. Keep it short and and if they bite, get them on the phone. You can also do some more due diligence and find the firm's email format; shoot an email directly to an employee instead of using LinkedIn, this is more respected IMO because it shows you will do the extra work necessary. Make connections and truly get to know people; keep in touch.

4. Persistence
You must be persistent. I applied to over 50 different internships and didn't hear back from a single opening. As a matter of fact, my freshman internship was earned via point number 3 above. Maintain a positive attitude, be confident, and do not give up. Keep your eyes open and do not be picky! As long as you are enthusiastic and willing to learn, interviewers will like you and will consider you more favorably. There are tons of jobs out there, so dedicate a few hours each weekend to scouring LinkedIn, Indeed, & your school's career portal for anything finance related.

5. Be realistic, it's only the beginning.
So many people can get hung up on a BB PWM or AM internship. That's not all that exists and it's not the only way you can gain some relevant experience. Apply to accounting clerk openings, business analyst internships, finance intern openings, or even operations at a financial services firm! There are so many options out there. If you have the opportunity to, I highly recommend studying abroad. You can learn a lot living in a foreign environment and will come back with hours of stories to tell. I studied abroad my freshman year/summer and it truly was one of the greatest learning experiences of my life.

 

I'm a high school senior that's been lurking for a while and made an account because I wanted to thank you for this post! I'll be going to BYU this fall and definitely needed this. I'm interested in Equity Research but don't know much about it yet, but i'm sure following these steps will help me as well!

 

I think a lot of people set themselves up for failure by trying to pitch themselves too early on. Be casual and don't try too hard. You just want to let someone know who you are, where you're from, and that you are interested in the work that they do. These guys know that you want an internship, but they don't want to hear it - if they're giving you time of the day they're willing to get to know you, so make a real connection and then you can follow up when it's application time asking for a referral. Always keep in touch!

 

I totally agree with this. There is nothing worse than an applicant who tries too hard during an interview. When I interview Analysts and Associates who do that, it puts me off because I assume they will be like this on the job and during meetings, and that’s the last thing that I want.

 

What’s a good area/country to study abroad for the first time? I’m kinda nervous to cause I’d probably be going alone (all my friends are taking summer classes)

 

I studied abroad in London - and would highly recommend! There are some VERY prestigious and well regarded schools that do summer programs (LSE, UCL, King's College). Don't worry about being alone. You will have classmates and more than likely flatmates as well, no matter where you study abroad. Outside of London, i'd probably recommend Germany, Italy, or Paris - have fun with it.

 
Ayce:
What’s a good area/country to study abroad for the first time? I’m kinda nervous to cause I’d probably be going alone (all my friends are taking summer classes)

I went to Spain and China. I'd recommend Spain. It was a blast.

My interest was learning languages as well though, so I'm not sure of your goals in that area.

"If you always put limits on everything you do, physical or anything else, it will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them." - Bruce Lee
 

McGill student here as well. In your U1 year, assuming you're coming out of CEGEP, your internship opportunities are definitely limited but your thinking is on the right track. You should be casting your net as wide as possible but honestly don't be too disappointed if you don't land something in your U1 year. Local boutiques are going to be the most inclined to hire non-juniors. Also, don't rule out unpaid internships - I know of a family office in Montreal called Palomino Capital that hires almost year round but doesn't pay any of their interns.

As for your connections, if they're at BBs they can't really help you that much. These firms are bureaucratic machines that won't bend for a U1 student because the hiring decisions don't come from one person.

In any case, if you are sure that finance is for you, you should look into the Honours in Investment Management program at McGill. It offers 10-12 students the chance to run a $4m fixed income and equity fund in a real investment management firm with all the "real stuff" (compliance, board of directors, idea generation and due diligence, annual reports, etc.) They also place extremely well into banking/consulting/PE in both Canada and the States.

PM me if you have any questions about the above.

 

Yeah I'm aware of the HIM Program. That has actually been my objective since last year (While I was still in CEGEP). I've done some networking with a few HIMers, but not nearly enough. I've also been trying to work my way around the Investment Club crew as well.

I don't know If I'll be able to get a HIM interview with my 3.6 GPA, but I'm crossing my fingers. If i were to get in HIM, that is when I could see the possible connections coming into play. A few of these HIM guys get NYC SA positions, so It's definitely not out of question... But that is provided that I get in HIM..

 

Lmao arrogant? Get out of here. I'm a student sharing my success so far. There is absolutely nothing wrong with my post. I'm not shoving this thread down people's throats telling them this is what they have to do. I'm sharing what works. Seriously, wtf? Just because i'm not in banking yet doesn't mean i'm not allowed to post advice/help for my peers. It's not IB or BUST for everyone on this planet and one doesn't have to be at full-time to be proud and to share what they've already been through.

What "kind" of post is this? What's so arrogant about it? There are literally hundreds of freshman asking the same question on this forum everyday "how do I/what do I do as a freshman to get a good start?" I shared what I consider to be the five most important things. It's literally a personal feel-good post, not a textbook guide to what you have to do..

 

Yeah a "feel-good post," as in an exercise in self-aggrandizement? "Look at me, I've done so well, listen to what I have to say about life and making important choices about your career and future!" Cool bro, have fun at your corpfin internship.

If you do genuinely want to help others, you should realize that you haven't had enough success or experiences to give solid advice or know shit. Valuable insights are generated by people with many, many experiences, a real sample size that creates a general understanding of how things work in the real world. You don't have those, I don't even have those. Calm down and focus on achieving real success before you go out seeking personal and professional vindication on the internet.

 

It's always worth to look for a freshman summer internship, although the consensus here on WSO is that it won't "make or break" you in any sense, although it's a good thing to have on your CV anyway.

Buddy, unless you're goddamn Blankfein's son there is probably no way that BBs would take freshmen, you don't bring enough value to them (yet). Stick to PWM, CPA firms, anything finance related.

Networking is probably the best way to position yourself. Utilize and exhaust all (I mean ALL) connections that your family and friends have. Talk to people!

Good luck mate.

 

I'd say just try to enjoy your first year of college, get adjusted, make new friends, explore and research different career paths, rush, etc this is a big stepping stone in your life. Don't worry about the details too much yet. But for what it's worth I recommend studying abroad freshman summer.

 

For your freshman year, I would recommend getting a good feel for your college. Join some finance related clubs, have a good time without letting your grades slip up and you should be fine.

One of the best tips I've ever heard is you should start networking the minute you decide you want to be in a finance role. If that is when you get to campus, I would start then. The earlier you can reach out to those PWM outlets, the better you should be come application time.

 

I would really stress the grade thing, the earlier you secure your GPA the better and it really will be a huge benefit come recruiting time. That said, I agree that you should aim for just joining different things on campus, HOWEVER, make sure to be genuine. Do things genuinely, not just for the leg-up, but a mix of the two.

Take some time to really delve into the different areas of the campus and take classes/participate in events that the school is known for. Although your dream position requires some pretty good work ethic, take some time to just take in the school and the people around you, because the first year goes by extremely fast.

Best of luck, don't let your grades drop, and be genuine!

 

i mean. both would be best i guess? apply for transfers for targets after freshman year (all other things equal, that will be better for recruiting than the investment fund at a non target 99% of the time)

if that doesn't work out you can do your best to apply to the student fund

 

keep your grades up obviously, check out both the investment management workshop and investment banking workshop as those would be your best gateways to wall street, there's a couple of club fairs you should definitely go to never any harm in signing up for multiple clubs just to see what you end up sticking with in the end

 

WTF is that tl;dr

Edit: Lmao OP deleted it - here was the original "TL;DR: Be humble, driven, involved, and realistic. Shoot for the stars but don't get lost in space. Aggressively push any opportunity there is out there. It's all about your determination and attitude, you will find something. You have nothing to lose. If someone like me, from a no-name town was able to do it; you surely can too. I truly hope this helps at least one person out there that is in the same shoes I was!"

 

Hey there, thanks for the quick response. I understand that Stern has the best placement opportunities at NYU but what I was wondering was that if i stayed in CAS, would it tremendously hinder me in the job search or can i make up for it by networking harder, especially since apparently all of nyu gets the same OCR

 

This may be a generational thing (no not bashing millenials). As a 54 yr old with 29 yrs of war stories in the sales trenches that ultimately led to owning / operating a successful business, I run in to this a lot. Just had dinner with a friend's family the other night. Their college senior son was spouting off on various subjects (politics, sports) as if he were an expert. Was a real turnoff. Nice enough kid. Just thought to myself, two ears, one mouth, more listening, less talking. The general consensus afterwords was "he'll learn, less is more, etc." Need to stay in the learning stage for awhile before you enter the advising stage.

Good luck to you as you move along your career path.

 

Community colleges in my area are extremely overcrowded. It takes on average 3-4 years to transfer now and because of the increase in sheer volume even cc transfers to ucla and ucb is extremely difficult. a lot of top notch students end up at uci ucsb and ucsd. on top of that ucb and ucla and the UCs in general are extremely overcrowded making classes difficult to get. California education system is pretty fed up right now. I don't know the reputation of Fordham business I'm assuming it's not the greatest though

 
  1. Where you go to college, geographically, doesn't really matter when companies recruit you as long as it's a good college and you keep your gpa up.

  2. "I am very determined to fix my mistakes of High School and accomplish my dreams" Then go to Fordam if you think it's the best program and work your ass off. Don't blame the professors. Study on your own if you have to.

3.If you're going to transfer to another school in west coast. You should try your hardest to get into Berkeley.

This is my opinion.

 

Flat out. I love real estate especially luxury real estate. I don't want to give a cliche story but it's the only way to explain my desire to major in hotel management. I wanted to be an architect when I was younger-- I went to a couple of seminars. Turns out I had no artistic talent whatsoever. However, I was always pretty good at math. I decided to combine my two passions (if you count math as one) into one major: hotel management. And a reason everyone has--the hospitality industry fits its name. It's very hospitable.

 

Cornell does have a great school for hotel. And yes, they have wine tasting classes but I hear only students who wish to concentrate in operations/food and beverage take that class.

 
  1. Read books.

I'm not a fan of dual degrees and minors - I would suggest getting your one degree, and if you have time outside of class, work, and your internship, take a class that builds a skill (programming, databases, golf). Good stuff otherwise. Nothing groundbreaking - it's just a matter of beating the importance of these things into the heads of kids who are on their own for the first time.

 

If it is a good internship, number 2 is definitely the most important. GPA is probably the second most important, but I think that it would be hard to fall much below a 3.5 GPA.

"He that hath a beard is more than a youth, and he that hath no beard is less than a man." ― William Shakespeare, Much Ado About Nothing
 

An internship gained is another positive step towards a more lucrative offer, these corporations want their employees groomed to handle the daily grind and workload. My goal is to motivate someone into a six figure position right after college.

SS
 

Would it still be worth it in your opinion to try and accomplish these in the latter parts of your college tenure? (GPA, networking, etc). It seems that by that time, your employer(s) would be pretty much set.

 

Jesus. Incoming college students: don't listen to any of this shit. Please spend the next four years getting drunk and laid. Work on developing people skills, not your CV.

 

I've often thought back to what I would do differently if I had to attend college again. The results of that thinking yield a slightly different list of recommendations than those of the OP. Here's what I would humbly suggest to all you new college students.

First, forget the notion that the college in and of itself (i.e. the classes / curriculum) is designed to teach you things of value. It isn't. It's a credentialing / signaling mechanism. Class time = a waste of time in most cases. Thus your goal should be to position yourself to send the strongest signal with the least amount of effort, so you can devote your energy to other, more rewarding pursuits. With this in mind, here are some specific recommendations:

(1) Major in something "technical." STEM majors are the best, economics, accounting, etc. are second best. People with technical majors can get technical or non-technical jobs after college. People with non-technical majors can only get non-technical jobs. Preserve your optionality. Forget minors. Nobody cares about minors. Take the bare minimum necessary to get the technical major on your degree and nothing else.

(2) Protect your GPA. Find out who the easiest professors are, which courses are the easiest, etc., and take them. Taking unnecessarily hard courses is an exercise in futility. Most of what you learn will be useless and you can't put an asterisk next to your GPA on your resume and say "only a 3.1 but included super hard quantum physics classes with ridiculously anal professor." Now, if you major in STEM your courses will naturally be harder than say an econ or history major's. Mitigate this by finding easy professors and balancing your technical courses with ridiculously easy "fluff" courses (don’t take all your meaty core classes in the same semester). If you get anything less than an "A" on an exam that is not multiple choice, visit the professor / TA during office hours and go over every question missed in painstaking detail. Serves three purposes. Gives you a feel for the individual's grading style, shows you care, and makes him think longer about marking things wrong because if he does he'll have to sit through another question session. If things in a course don’t make sense get help immediately – don’t spin your wheels. If you’re in a course where there’s even a remote chance that you could get C or lower, drop the course immediately. You can always make up credits later.

(3) Get your work done early. Your work load is astonishingly light in college (you won't appreciate this until you start working). If you cut out the agonizing / procrastinating, you will have more free time than you know what to do with. There’s nothing like knocking out a big paper / project three weeks in advance and chilling. If you can, schedule your classes in the afternoons and use the mornings (9 a.m. - 12 p.m.) to bang out your work. No one will be up to bother you so you can focus and this frees up your evenings to hang out.

(4) Devote time every day to honing real skills. Read stuff worthwhile, maybe pick up a programming language or two, write, work on your quant skills, figure out internship opportunities, start working through the various finance guides if you want to pursue a finance career. Do this during your morning routine along with the other necessary studying.

(5) Network right. Think someone on WSO has already said this, but it’s worth repeating. Find alums from various fields and actually try to build relationships with them. Go to lunch once a month, meet up to play squash (or whatever you and that alum happen to be into). Pick their brains so you can have as wide a perspective on post-college life as possible, and a friend waiting on the other side when you get there.

(6) Quality over quantity when it comes to extra-curriculars and internships. One solid internship is all you need. One or two extra-curriculars / hobbies that you're actually into is all you need. Don't join a thousand different clubs or fret about bullshit internships the summer after your freshman year. No one cares except for people at the university and you're already there so don't worry about it.

(7) Enjoy your freedom. If you do everything else right, you should have a ton of time to socialize, have fun, and enjoy a unique period of your life where you have tons of freedom without the usual accompanying responsibility. Take advantage of it. Go to crazy festivals (Burning Man, Carnival, Mardi Gras, whatever), take trips, hang out with your buddies, hook-up, etc.

That’s my list. If you do the above, you should get the credentials you came to college for, a stellar GPA, and you should have a great time in the process. Best of luck.

 

LOL When I was a sophomore a year ago, I emailed about 500 firms and got about 30 responses and 2 interviews. I screwed up my first one and got the second one by pure luck because it was all fit. Keep going man, you're not even at the tip of the iceburg.

 
AQM:
LOL When I was a sophomore a year ago, I emailed about 500 firms and got about 30 responses and 2 interviews. I screwed up my first one and got the second one by pure luck because it was all fit. Keep going man, you're not even at the tip of the iceburg.

Thank you for your response. I suppose I was just feeling discouraged because 90% of these firms haven't even been sending me an email saying "sorry, no positions available." But like I said, I will keep going and hopefully someone takes a chance and asks me for an interview.

 

Although I got my internship through cold emailing my sophomore summer, I would highly recommend a much more targeted approach. If you are at a semi-target you should have a strong network of alumni in financial services. Find an alumni directory, search for "investment banking" and you should find a ton of alumni to email. My response rate emailing alumni is pretty close to 100%. Plus even if they don't have an opening they might know someone who will. You still have time to focus on relationship building. Cold emailing is only good as a last resort. Also keep in mind a lot of smaller firms don't even know their headcounts for the summer and thus can't even offer you an internship opportunity until the spring.

tl;dr-build relationships with alumni and then discuss your interest in investment banking. No reason you can't work at a boutique/MM with this approach.

 
Midatlantica:
Although I got my internship through cold emailing my sophomore summer, I would highly recommend a much more targeted approach. If you are at a semi-target you should have a strong network of alumni in financial services. Find an alumni directory, search for "investment banking" and you should find a ton of alumni to email. My response rate emailing alumni is pretty close to 100%. Plus even if they don't have an opening they might know someone who will. You still have time to focus on relationship building. Cold emailing is only good as a last resort. Also keep in mind a lot of smaller firms don't even know their headcounts for the summer and thus can't even offer you an internship opportunity until the spring.

tl;dr-build relationships with alumni and then discuss your interest in investment banking. No reason you can't work at a boutique/MM with this approach.

My school's alumni network is much stronger in other regions of the US but rather weak in NYC. I checked my school's alumni database and couldn't find much in the area. Thank you for your response, though.

 
mdk6c:
Why would anybody look at a freshman?

Sure, it's an uphill battle as a freshman, but it's not impossible - I applied for a bunch of stuff as a freshman, and got lucky with a paid SA stint at a boutique IB. The UCS listing had said sophomores/juniors, but it didn't restrict me from applying and I figured it couldn't hurt.

It's definitely worth trying as a freshman. You shouldn't expect much, but you shouldn't entirely give up on it either. At the end of the day, if you can impress them and convince them that you're smart/capable/professional, that's all that matters.

 

Why are you shooting for NYC as a freshman? You should be looking locally with alumni at small/tiny firms. Start small young one

Frank Sinatra - "Alcohol may be man's worst enemy, but the bible says love your enemy."
 

If you email a financial advisor at a small Merrill Lynch branch, follow up with a call if they don't respond after an email or two. It's also kind of early. When I started to enter panic mode I emailed a bunch in March and by the end of the month could have had my pick of 4 different places. Granted you'll have to work unpaid most likely, but as a freshman it's a solid gig.

 

I am not an expert on these matters, but I have a few things to mention/ask.

First off, do you care if your internship is in NYC? You have a decent chance of breaking into an NYC bank, but your odds are much greater with Charlotte & ATL banks.

I would recommend you look into PWM if you can't get IB interships. It's provides an excellent platform from which you can build off of. Don't be disheartened if you don't score that JP Morgan's/any other bank you apply to internship, there are many opportunities out there.

Also, "learning more about finance" doesn't necessarily increase your chances of getting somewhere. Just keep studying hard in your core classes and start reading up on financial news. Think of this as helping you in your career later on, not in helping you get a job/internship.

Cold e-mailing and resume sending has a minute chance of working, beacuse odds are, your advances will be ignored. Nevertheless, it's worth a shot, if you are willing to put the time into it. Just inquire first; don't throw your resume around.

Again, I'm not the most knowledge person on this, but it's just my two cents.

 

I would prefer it to be in NYC but it is possible for me to intern in Charlotte provided I can't get anything else.

Just a question about PWM internships: how would I go about looking for/asking for them and which firms would I look towards? Should I start asking for them now?

 

Honestly, working at an investment bank this summer is pretty unrealistic. At the moment, you probably have an extremely limited amount of knowledge about the industry as well as basic accounting/finance principles. The good news is that you don't need a banking internship this early on to get one after your junior year. To get a PWM "internship" ask family and close friends if they know anyone in PWM and once you find someone, have that family member or friend ask of you can come to the office a few times to learn about what they do.

 

1) Get a 4.0

2) Join Clubs

3) Build your LinkedIn

4) Reach out to UVA fkers and talk about your passion for deals and ask for advice

5) Join OCR

Except the last one isn't possible unless you get into McIntire so make that you fucking priority.

Good luck and PM if you have ANY questions.

 

I was a part of our bank's OCR for UVA... I would recommend somehow getting a finance internship your sophomore summer (work at a small PE firm, investment bank, etc.) - a majority of competitive people will have a decent GPA and some finance experience their sophomore summer.

I also forget the name, but there is an investing group/affiliation that looks great on the resume (not a must, but more a feather in the cap).

 

I think the only really positive things I did in college were participating in clubs (fraternity chair, finance club president) and remaining conscientious of things (when applications for stuff are due, do I need an internship this summer, etc). Otherwise I was a slacker like all the rest. I think the key is to not miss the important "checkboxes" on your resume, since if you generally fit the profile of a successful candidate (and you act like and believe that you are), then you'll be a successful candidate.

I didn't know what people meant when they said "fake it 'till you make it," but as an adult I see it: you don't need to be the rockstar because if you're 50% rockstar, you're still in the band, and 20% rockstar means you're still on tour. Most people never even learn to "play."

in it 2 win it
 
MonopolyMoney:
Greek Life, On Campus Job, Relevant Club, Partying, didn't do too much with academics til junior year.

Jimmy is that you? Get back to work on those TPS reports!

Put that coffee down. Coffee is for closers.

"If you always put limits on everything you do, physical or anything else, it will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them." - Bruce Lee
 

drink before, during, and after class; hit on any female with legs; ruin social gatherings; briefly get expelled; write a blog and watch youtube through three internships; smoke weed on the roof; talk conspiracy theories with econ professors; get asked to leave parties; get asked to leave bars; get asked to leave concerts; get in fights with arabs; get shit stolen; steal shit; argue with professors for fun; xanax; vyvanse; cigarettes; drunk drive motorcycles

dude college was gay real life is way better im like 22% less retarded

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I sure as hell didn't join Toastmasters, lol

"If you always put limits on everything you do, physical or anything else, it will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them." - Bruce Lee
 

Ran student government, my fraternity, sat on various university boards, etc. I also got a sub 3.0 GPA.

Leadership is important, don't get me wrong, but don't let it get in the way of your grades.

Commercial Real Estate Developer
 

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