All nighters lead to brain damage?

If I had known this, I may have taken a different career path back in the day.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/19/health/sleep-loss-brain-damage/index.html…

 

I'd imagine that all-nighters are one of the more negligible methods in which one systematically kills brain cells.

People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for freedom of thought which they seldom use.
 

Binging on adderall, no appetite, large amounts of caffeine, tons of stress.

Sounds like a good formula for brain damage

"I must create a system or be enslaved by another man's." William Blake
 
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Modern life is unnatural, and most people don't realize they're drifting through their days in a dazed, half awake state. It's really bad. Consider that the WHO estimates that depression will be the #1 cause of both death AND #1 cause of disability by 2030. That's 16 years away. Major facet of depression: atypical sleep patterns. This isn't some spreading pathogen, it's DIRECTLY lifestyle related. Bad diet, excercise, relationship (personal and public) patterns, sleep patterns, etc ....the fucking plague of the 21st century is something humanity is doing to itself.

I was a psych major and yes I'm biased, but I'm shocked that this isn't THE #1 story on the news and in public debate.

In fact, lack of sleep is lethal. It can and will kill you, and the Chinese even have a word for death from lack of sleep. Over the course of the last year, science has discovered why. While your muscles and other organs have a constant supply of refreshed blood flowing through them, the brain self cleans during sleep. The neurons contract and interstitial fluid circulates more during sleep, removing waste and toxin buildup. When you do a good workout and your muscles are burning, giving them a rest allows them to rebuild and build more muscle: why would you deprive the most important organ the same rebuilding cycle? The length of time varies by person to person, but I am disappointed in humanity that this is treated as a "debateable" topic.

And it gets worse: humans naturally sleep on a segmented schedule: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Segmented_sleep

I've tried it for a few weeks, and WOW it's real. I've changed career focus partly because of this. I'm going to take a shot in the dark, but being FULLY awake is likely to lead to a higher probability of ground breaking insight.

Athens conquered Sparta by being smarter and more creative, I'm taking that route

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Curious about a few things regarding segmented sleep and your experience, if you don't mind sharing.

  1. What is your sleep schedule? Are you 8-12 sleep, 12-2 wake, 2-6 sleep cycle?
  2. How long have you been on (said) sleep schedule?
  3. What are some of the biggest differences you have noticed since beginning this?
  4. How long after starting this pattern did you begin to see/feel the differences mentioned?

Thanks a lot for sharing. I am very curious about this, and I agree that sleep science is often overlooked.

 

I did this for about a month earlier this year. I had to stop because a bunch of things came up and I got much busier at work. Since I didn't do this long term, my hours didn't completely adjust. That and it was in the dead of winter so there was less daylight in the early morning. I'm hoping to do this again when things settle down

The hours are almost what you mentioned but I pushed them a bit later: 9PM - 1AM sleep 1M - 2:30AM awake 2:30AM - 07:30AM sleep

The hours fluctuated somewhat and it wasn't until the fourth week that the times started becoming very consistent. I also did not consume any alcohol during this period of time, so I can't say if that affects this sleep pattern. Given I normally get six hours of sleep on a 1AM-7AM sleep schedule, I immediately felt well rested after the first day. I slept straight through the night for the first few days. About a week in, I started waking up and it was strange at first but then the segmentation started to show.

How did it feel?

Amazing. The night wake up period is unlike anything I've ever experienced. You know that warm and comfortable feeling of relaxing in bed on a Saturday morning? Almost like that. I would read and fold laundery, and other stuff I could have done on my other sleep schedule. So I don't see this sleep pattern as necessarily being disruptive. Making the effort to just relax and shut down TV/Music/laptop at 8:45 and actually go to bed that early was the hardest thing for me: I'm a night owl.

The BIG difference was during the day. I was lucid. My mind felt like a Ferarri. I was ON POINT with EVERYTHING. Wide awake. By the end of the month, I was in a REALLY good mood. EVERY DAY. ALL DAY. My coworkers started making fun of me, asking if I was getting laid in the morning or what was up that I would be just oh so chipper every day all day. A few people found me annoying, but they're generally miserable people, so I didn't care. And I outperformed them, so my bosses weren't complaining. I typically drink one cup of coffee in the morning, so I continued that, but felt no need whatsoever for coffee during the day.

The difference is huge. Imagine the contrast betwee a full 8 hours of sleep, compared to sleeping only 6 hours AND being hungover. The contrast was that great. Now imagine getting the full 8 hours and feeling better than that. It's that much of a difference. The thing that really caught me off guard is how vivid everything became and how intense my personality started to become. Being completely and fully rested started to affect everything I did, and I was doing it better. On top of that, I enjoyed it. Color, sound, food, my own thoughts....everything was clearer and more intense.

Going back to my old normal was not too painful, but I've gone back to cursing the alarm clock in the morning. I'm also more generally 'reserved', and I can feel a difference in my energy level. Having experienced both sides, I'm now aware of how far below my full potential I've been operating at. I never realized for my entire life, and "regular" now seems to me slightly dazed, low energy, almost like being mildly depressed. I can't run on the segmented schedule for a while, but now that I've experienced it there's no two ways about it. It's very real and if I have to change careers to get back on that schedule I just may do so.

The most effective analogy I can think of is this: do you want one good hour in the gym to crank out a workout, or do you want to fart around and accomplish nothing for two hours? Give me one good hour to really get the most out of it. Same with sleep: I'll go to be two hours earlier to get that much more out of my life. And I don't even lose two hours: I'm awake for them, just at a different time. All win as far as I'm concerned.

Get busy living
 

Humans adapt. If they didn't they would have died out a long time ago. I'll take the damage done with a few hours less sleep over being poor.

I'm sure St. Paddy's fucked my brain a lot more than now sleep.

 

I'm sure humanity will adapt over long stretches of time. I share the same aversion to poverty but I'm not sacrificing my health past a point to become rich. Personally, I want out of the rat race, it's meant to keep people "in their place" and I figure I have a few good years left to plot my escape.

Best way to control people is tyranny of the mind

  • old Russian saying
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you don't "adapt". it leads to irreversible brain damage, which manifests into other bodily health problems, which leads to a lower quality of life and high medical expenses. you think the extra hours you pull for the extra money you get is worth it, but it's not.

"The cheaper the crook, the gaudier the patter"
 

"Veasey stresses that more work needs to be done to establish whether a similar phenomenon occurs in humans and to determine what durations of wakefulness place individuals at risk of neural injury. “In light of the role for SirT3 in the adaptive response to sleep loss, the extent of neuronal injury may vary across individuals. Specifically, aging, diabetes, high-fat diet and sedentary lifestyle may all reduce SirT3. If cells in individuals, including neurons, have reduced SirT3 prior to sleep loss, these individuals may be set up for greater risk of injury to their nerve cells.""

http://www.uphs.upenn.edu/news/News_Releases/2014/03/veasey/

I am fine with a little brain damage for a bigger paycheck. And it will be a cold day in hell that I read a CNN article and do anything but wipe my ass with it.

 

"I am fine with a little brain damage for a bigger paycheck. And it will be a cold day in hell that I read a CNN article and do anything but wipe my ass with it"

Nicely put +1

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"Veasey stresses that more work needs to be done to establish whether a similar phenomenon occurs in humans and to determine what durations of wakefulness place individuals at risk of neural injury. “In light of the role for SirT3 in the adaptive response to sleep loss, the extent of neuronal injury may vary across individuals. Specifically, aging, diabetes, high-fat diet and sedentary lifestyle may all reduce SirT3. If cells in individuals, including neurons, have reduced SirT3 prior to sleep loss, these individuals may be set up for greater risk of injury to their nerve cells.""

http://www.uphs.upenn.edu/news/News_Releases/2014/...

I am fine with a little brain damage for a bigger paycheck. And it will be a cold day in hell that I read a CNN article and do anything but wipe my ass with it.

osbourne level for $10 mil - yay or nay horseface?

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Just because brain cells might be dying off from no sleep doesn't mean they might not be regenerated later (especially when you take those sweet power naps). See another study towards this end below. So don't worry about anything man...all is well.

https://www.princeton.edu/pr/news/99/q4/1014-brain...

Haha, thanks! I mostly just posted this to stir people up. I've spent the better part of the last two decades killing more brain cells with alcohol than a little sleep deprivation is going to cause me.

 

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