Q&A: State School, Middle Office to Buyside Front Office Research

Hi Monkeys, I've been on this site for a while, scrambling and climbing just like the rest of y'all and I wanted to take a break and open up a Q&A to those of you who are in my shoes of the past... Background: Graduated from a mediocre state school with an average GPA. Started in middle office ops at a BB in the middle of nowhere and now work as a front office research analyst at a well respected Asset Manager. Looking to help anybody and everybody, especially those stuck in ops. Cheers!

 

I proved my worth with automation (see below long comment) in my first job to lateral to a very prestigious firm to do the same thing I was doing before. Then I automated their processes too and quickly found a job as a junior in the FO. Although I have not climbed past bottom of the totem pole analyst rank, I have climbed from MO to FO which I consider a much more meaningful transition as opposed to a title change. Don't think about jobs by their rank yet, think of the opportunity it will provide you, If it's more than your last, you're one step closer to your goal.

Networking is nice to get a foot in the door but your best bet may be to prove you are exceptional and then the network will come to you.

Good luck

 

Your background and starting point are basically identical to mine and I hope to make the transition as well so I find this post extremely important. Currently in my first 6 months middle office at a hf trying to eventually make the crossover like you. I thought my role would be a clearer path to the investment side but my experience so far has been otherwise and I feel less encouraged. Was wondering if this was the same for you and if you pushed through. Would love a little rundown on your approach to the transition/what worked/what didn't/advice.

Other questions: Did you take CFA? (taking L1 in June) How did you learn how to model? On job/school? Best ways to learn Most important skills/habits to focus on while in the MO role to make switch?

Thanks

 
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Don't feel discouraged and at the same time take this as an opportunity to prove yourself as someone who deserves to be ahead of where you are. To do this, you need an exceptional skill that you can demonstrate to an interviewer. Mine was automation. I automated processes that took hours, to a click of the button learning everything by staying late at work and copying/pasting code off the internet unless my processes worked. Find something that will make your operational process way more efficient and exceed expectations. Try for junior analyst positions at firms. If you don't succeed, lateral into a more prestigious find and then try this again.

I don't have any CFA ...CFA will help sure but the job hunt is much more important. Your next job in FO will pay for your charter. I learned to model on the job. I came into front office with no modeling skillset. The best way to learn is through an analyst training program Focus on being better than the process. Improvement is key in a field where proving yourself and quantifying your achievement is very difficult.

 

I got my MO role through scatter applying my resume to every single job opening in my area even remotely related to IB. The job was not in a major working location (think Idaho) making it an easier process. Comp was ~60

 

how do recent college grads from a very non-target get that entry level MO job to start the journey? my nephew (business mgmt major) applied to a bunch of ops roles (that seemingly require no specific skills other than attention to detail), but never even got an interview.

Why is it so hard to even get a simple ops job?

 

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