Analyst hates me
I'm more than halfway into my summer internship. I'm not a star intern, but I've had good feedback so far and click well with almost the entire team - apart from the analyst. As per the usual set-up, she's the one I'm supposed to work with for my everyday tasks.
As much as I try to take initiative, there are some things she has to do for me - giving me access to files, checking things before they go out to the team, showing me how to do desk-specific operational/admin stuff, etc. My manager has clearly stated she's supposed to help me with this (as other analysts have been doing for their interns), but getting any help from her is like drawing blood from a stone. She either ignores me, helps me after I've asked about a dozen times, or brushes me off saying it's "easy" (which I'm sure it would be if I had access to the right folders/software/etc.).
She's also very cold and passive aggressive towards me, but noticeably chatty, sociable and warm towards others on our team. I won't bore you with the details, but it's obvious that she'd rather not have me there.
Because of her refusal to help me with some basic desk stuff, I've already been late with a couple of tasks. If she was just lazy or rude in general, I'm sure my team would understand, but they all think she's really nice and hardworking, and see me as the weak link instead.
We've had a few company events where I've tried to get to know her in a more relaxed setting, and we've gone for coffee, but the best I can get is her gritting her teeth and being polite. I've had a lot of fun with the intern and analyst pool over the last month, and occasionally spend time with them outside of work, as does she - just not with me.
Has anyone had this kind of situation, and what did you do?
Don't even try to get on her good side. When I see people like that, I just keep it professional. I don't crack jokes or any of that stuff. But make sure you're on top of your game, even if it's "shitty" work. People like that know whether or not you're faking your attitude when you're assigned a shitty task. For example, if she asks you to do something that she can clearly do herself, be like "Ok" and be casual about it. Try to sound like you're happy to be there and eventually their mood will change.
Like the above person said, don't worry about making friends with her just do excellent work and be professional with her. If you can do things to lighten her workload identify those and do them. In general though, keep in mind how these things actually work. Your intern work is probably mostly BS, you're probably ultimately a drain on the team through them needing to manage you and give you access and instructions and all of that. People don't hire interns expecting them to be a huge boon to the team. People hire interns to feel out future analysts and de-risk the recruitment process. You should identify who the decision makers are and foster those connections. At the end of the summer it's not your intern project that gets you an offer, it's what a few select people think of you as a future analyst.
most chick traders suck personality wise, what type of desk is she on?
most chicks suck
disagree 100%
Tip: Stop staring at her ass when she walks away. She notices it whether you think she does or not
Either get her on side without making it too obvious or get your Associate on your side. If you do the latter, over time he/she will be able to suss out the working dynamic between you and the Analyst.
I think she clearly wants you and is frustrated that she cannot have you from the forbidden 'Analyst/Intern' stigma. I would make a move on her.
Not getting along with someone, how did you overcome this? (Originally Posted: 01/02/2008)
Have you ever had to work with someone that you didn’t particularly like or get along with? How did you overcome the differences to get your job done?
Any good examples? I dnt expect full answers, but can someone provide me with some useful examples of this..1-2 lines long..
Thank you in advance!
At my first job I didn't get along with my direct superior (Associate in a Commercial Bank). She was my "mentor" but treated me like garbage. You just have to take it because you're low man on the totem pole. If you ever think though that the person you don't get along with is taking it too far - talk to your boss about it, and never to HR.
In the end you have to decide if it's worth it to put up with their sh*t. I decided it was not, and found a much better job in an IBD.
i simply ignored her.
her: i do yoga. hot yoga in a heated room. me: my friend does pilates. shes very fit. her: youre pissing me off. me: what? her: youre saying im fat.
after that, i avoid talking to her as much as possible.
who annoyed the shit out of me. All she ever did was talk about how busy she was (trying to make herself seem important), complaining everyday about a new "crises" [sic] (she used the plural form singularly, I guess to mean "a really big crisis." It was like nails on a chalkboard to me.) I didn't have to directly work with her that much, so I just got a good pair of sound isolating earphones and tuned her out. She got laid off/fired after a while (she really wasn't very important after all).
I guess this isn't the best example of overcoming differences or anything, but it is a lesson in the fact that if people are consistently difficult to get along with, abrasive, underperforming, etc., you probably aren't the only one having problems with them and they may get canned. "Money talks, bullshit walks" — don't get yourself caught up in the bullshit, just keep your head down and do your job well.
Get really drunk with the person, and then say "I feel really bad that we don't get along that well."
problem solved.
I am dead serious.
Haha. As bad as it sounds, I can really see this happening. People tend to be friendlier when under the influence.
flip a coin. the loser quits the job on the spot.
Any more examples?
I got into a fight once with this girl I worked with. She was under me, and everything we ever did together she would undermine me constantly. Just over the stupidest things. It would give me these migraines. She REALLY wanted my job. (which was stupid, because I was only an overseer of sorts- (side note: this was for telemarketing and I was "head bitch" and doled out assignments. A minute job, that I got paid two dollars more an hour than the others to do. I don't know why it was such a big deal to her.) I didn't have the power to fire anyone; which she knew, but I did have my boss on my side. He ended up telling her that if we didn't get along, one of us was going to get fired, and it wasn't going to be me.
She started crying and apologized. Three months later I quit. She then put a picture of me on myspace, with a caption underneath that I was a slut. (I clearly wasn't, and her "friends" pointed that out to her) That was a mess all over again, but she finally took the pic off. We don't talk. I felt like I was in high school.
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ignore ignore. hit the button toooooo many times. Silly computers.
An admin and I did not get along well at all. She was the most tenured employee with the firm (other than the founder. disclaimer: I was an intern for an entrepreneurial broker-dealer at the time). She was basically the Executive Assistant. I did nothing wrong to deserve the treatment I received from her. She teated everyone around her the same way.
I felt I had two choices: 1) have a spine and stand up to the admin who was overstepping her authority, or 2) be nice and try to "kill her with kindness." This takes a lot of energy, but I tried to "kill her with kindness." Whenever she was bitchy, I was accommodating. I tried to make conversation with her. I tried and tried. In the end, it did not pay off (she was still a bitch), but I believe I made the better decision. As an intern, I could have screwed my reputation by cussing out the woman who sits at the right hand of the entrepreneur. The entrepreneur would have taken her word over mine, and that would be the end of me.
A colleague of mine actually told me he didn't like me because he didn't like my voice (my voice is completely normal). We had to work as a team and I usually had to ask him if he'd finished a particular project/file or not and he'd refuse to answer me. I really had to rely on his input sometimes, because there was no other way to check so I'd ask him about twice or thrice before getting a very exasperated "yes" or "no".
I really felt like beating the crap out of him but I'd just bite my tongue and continued being polite. If it's not worth it then never forget your manners.
Difficult Analysts - What Makes a Difficult Analyst (Originally Posted: 08/21/2014)
There are always difficult analysts. Small teams constitute a big company. You work in your team and your performance is judged normally within your team (primarily). Once you become a manager (at least associates with some managerial responsibility), you will notice that there are easy and difficult analysts.
Easy ones - Not talk much - Result driven (getting things done) - Intellectually curious (but not annoying) - Understand the role within the team - Dress decently - well-dressed (no green shoes, no grey striped suits, no excessive expensive suits, no $50 suits, no pin stripe shirts) - Ask for time when they want to discuss their career (make an appointment and know when to make one) - Independent - Professional (not distracted by the opposite sex etc.) - Courteous to everyone - Know when to email (and how many) and when to discuss in person - Know how to write an email (the shorter the better) - Do what they are told to do perfectly and ask gently if there is any more work to be done (and know when to bring these questions up) - Know how to make his or her mark (maybe suggestions? know when to bring these up?) - Study for professional qualifications quietly after work (or during lunch or whenever you have 30 mins) without bragging. - Talk openly about what you are unhappy with with your colleagues and managers (and know how to). - Being able to admit what you don't know. - Know when to stop - Exercise - "Can do" attitude, want to learn attitude, happy to take criticisms.
Difficult ones - Too enthusiastic and does not understand his or her role in the team - Jump at every opportunity to be noticed - Fight over credit (presumably with other analysts - we don't care) - Just stay late for the sake of staying late - Inefficient (can't use time properly) - Give "lectures" to interns - Unprofessional attire (too expensive suits, $1000 shoes?) - Constantly distracted by the opposite sex or flirtatious with everyone (quite frankly the second one is a killer) - Too theoretical and does not understand what we are trying to do - Racist and sexist (and also those who lecture about equality to everyone - just get on with what you are supposed to do) - Has to prove that you are right when pointed out errors or asked questions (to seniors or to interns) - "I don't care" attitude - "I am 100% committed to this career" attitude (no one should be, and no one should be that stupid), it's simply too much. - Herdy - "At a company where I used to work, we did things ..." Your time will come, just wait. - When going to coffee, take everyone with you. - Talk people behind their back. - Mouth comes before action. - "Know it all" attitude. - "I am all for finance, nothing else matters" attitude, Unfit, physically repelling (this comes back to inefficiency). - Have no interest outside work. - Have no friends outside work.
Mostly importantly, analysts who don't mind their own business.
Not sure if serious list or if you just listed all the shit you hate. But a lot of these make sense. Most of the ones you listed as difficult just apply to difficult people in general not just analyst.. Also, whats wrong with striped shirts?
haha this is stupid, exercise is part of being a good analyst?
There are plenty of (scientific) arguments for why exercise makes a person better and I can easily see why it would make someone a better analyst
Look I'm not saying be fat but there are plenty of good analysts who don't exercise either
Very true, but there are definite benefits that exercise adds to an analyst's productivity, energy etc.
It's a solid list, while it's also an obvious and general comparison. Basically, you described a solid list of easy people vs difficult people.
I was expecting more subtle and analyst-specific criteria, like "bringing an eagle to work" or "wear a digital watch instead of an analog one".
I'm inclined to believe you are venting out frustration at 1 particular analyst haha but I will give you the benefit of the doubt
who generates more alpha? there's usually a reason you keep those "difficult" guys around...
it's a good list but... why "(too expensive suits, $1000 shoes?)". You should have the freedom to spend your money on anything you want; I wouldn't care about about $2,000 shoes or $20,000 watches. Granted if this person started to brag about it... that would be a different story.
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