It looks like the rebels are gaining ground on Qaddafi. Sources are saying it could be a matter of hours before the regime falls, although earlier sources reported him to be dead, so who knows what is really happening.
This has been a pretty historic year though. Assad must be shitting himself.
To keep it wall street related, anyone think they will know what will happen to Brent/WTI spread now that it appears Libyan production will be back up soon.
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so.. short diesel?
Despite what NATO and the West say, they have totally and utterly stepped into a civil war on one side. The rebels (who are little more than a band of brutal thugs themselves and I refer to the rebel army, not the protesters) would not have had a hope in hell of any of the things they have accomplished without constant NATO bombing and intelligence. Will NATO start bombing the rebels now that they are in Tripoli to avoid the slaughter of pro-Gadaffi Libyans? I doubt it.
With regards to Assad, the US and the West have already stated they will not intervene militarily. Bashar's father proved in '82 that putting down protesters by force works, and neither Egypt, Tunisia or Libya unleashed the kind of military force that Syria can (and probably will). Bahrain put down it's protesters, Syria will as well.
I do think Gadaffi will go, sooner rather than later, but I do not think it will be peaceful or easy. This is a man who has absolutely nothing to lose, and will be utterly persecuted should he be caught. There are enough people in a similar situation to him, that they will fight to the end. Assad on the other hand shows no sign of weakness, the Syrians have not taken up arms in any way, and the west will not fight a civil war for them as they have in Libya.
http://english.aljazeera.net/watch_now/
Finally the bastard is gonna go. He needed to go 30 years ago, at least now the people will be free.
I'm frustrated that the US didn't do more to help in light of having supported this dictator and many others in the region, explicitly or implicitly, for the past two generations. The US has also restructured other countries in the region, giving them an ideal platform from which to attack: why not use it??? The next regime may be bad, but at this point it seems enough of the population has an interest self determination to make it interesting. The fundamentalist groups will not be brutally supressed, so some people are rightfully nervous, and so I think it's especially important to support any democratic factions/regimes.
Time will tell, but if shit hits the fan again and America is attacked, I'm in favor of restricting any military action to strictly punitive measures......if they want a democracy at that point, they can take it upon themselves to build it.
Unfortunately they don't allow dead skunks in the Hague, so Gaddhafi will have to lose the wig.
Two of his sons have been captured. People are taking to Green Square, reminds me of Egypt in January.
Egypt in January huh? So you mean a military dictatorship will be installed to replace a civilian dictatorship lol.
We know very little of these rebels and Obama has shown himself to be the same as Bush. A nice little 6 month war he had. Hopefully these rebels will be better than Gaddhafi, but I have my doubts.
I think we're missing the point here. Sure the new system to be imposed to control Libya is still up in the air, but the bottom line is that this was a conflict where practically the entire country seemed to be up in anger about. This isn't a few hundred rebels running around with guns. These were three separate uprising from three separate areas of the country with one final uprising in the major capital. Reporters were always cautious about saying that Tripoli might not fall at all, yet when the convoy rolled in today, everyone in that neighborhood ran out and went nutz and called them heroes, and they didn't even do anything yet to "liberate" it. People keep saying these are rebels, but frankly I just see it as the population of Libya fighting one man with too much power.
And people wonder why China does so well building influence: they are CONSISTENT decade after decade and America really isn't. This is a problem. The partisans can't even be relied on to hold to their ideology: this witholding of support is being done to spite the neocons.....yes, the people running the country are THAT petty.
Awesome news hopefully
10 years, a few slave markets, Islamic terrorism, and a refugee disaster later, I think it's safe to say that the destruction of Libya by NATO was heinous.
Also Assad is still alive and kicking and putting down rebels like the terrorist dogs they are.
This is a prime example why WSO is quite honestly one of the worst places for political opinions on the internet (and I'm not talking about the obvious trolls) and I say this quite earnestly. This site is great for Finance, jobs, and even social discussion, but when you have a VP in here who literally posts "Finally...now the people will be free" and another one saying "Awesome news" you have to wonder what goes through these people's heads and what else they're wrong on today.
Actually, Asatar was right on in his commentary. So was ANT.
These historical threads are always wild in hindsight. Imagine a decade from now when people bump the first COVID threads and we’re on year 11 of “two weeks to slow the spread.”
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