anyone know about the companies on this list for management consulting?

Rank: Monkey | 40

http://depts.washington.edu/careers/job-intern/com...
I found that list on the UW website, and I was wondering if anyone sees any management consulting firms besides MTG Management consultants on it.

My second question is, since I know that MTG probably isn't a super reputable firm like MBB, if I were to go to UW, would getting recruited by a company like this be of any use? Would firms like this allow you to go to a good MBA program? Also, do these types of firms pay similar to MBB? I doubt they would pay as much, but do smaller firms like this still pay good money to their consultants?

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8/14/07

My experience has been that the smaller firms usually offer compensation competitive with M/B/B, and they often offer more money. A small firm trying to steal quality candidates away from other firms needs to offer more. The firms with the best names can offer a little less, at least in my experience.

As far as getting into a good MBA program - sure M/B/B consultants have extremely high placement rates, but keep in mind these people were good enough to get into M/B/B in the first place (probably went to an Ivy or Ivy-like school, high GPA and extracirics, etc). Get some good work experience, put together a good app (recs + essays + GMAT + interview) and you will should able to compete for a spot in a top MBA program.

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8/14/07

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Complete bullshit. Yeah there are some boutiques that pay at or slightly higher than M/B/B (the usual suspects, LEK, Marakon, Parthenon, etc.) and they typically also have very high acceptance rates to top b-schools. But sorry to say, the boutique you mentioned (MTG) and others like it probably will not pay as well, nor will they have the same acceptance rates. Any asshole can start a consulting firm, just because it is "small" and it is a "boutique" doesn't mean they can afford to toss around 70k at someone straight out of college + training costs.

Consulting firms sell only one thing, their people. If you seriously want to do consulting, don't go to a school like UWAshington. Before anyone says "oh it's a good school" or "I know 1 guy 8 years ago who got an offer to BCG from UWash", realize its almost impossible to even get an interview coming from a school like that.

Sorry to be harsh but you seem to be posting a lot of questions on consulting. The bottom line is go to a really good school, do really well, prepare extensively for the interviews and you will have a good shot. If you don't get in to a really good school and have to settle for University of Washington, then maybe you aren't qualified for the industry. Don't worry about the money, the experience, the b-school admission rates, all that will come if you do will.

 
8/14/07

OK thanks for the advice boozer. Sorry if I'm posting a lot of questions, but I really want to make sure I make the right choice.

So bascially, these are the schools I'm thinking about applying to:

-Michigan (transfer to biz school, or just do econ and CS)
-Wisconsin-Madison (I've heard that a lot of CEOs went here, but never hear of it in terms of target, etc.
-Texas at Austin (start in engineering, transfer to biz school after soph year)
-USC
-Emory (little to no interest in going)
-Washington
-Oregon (don't even rank this lol)
-North Carolina
-Maybe Cornell or Stanford

So can you rank them in order of best recruiting to worst?

 
8/14/07

you must be that californialove kid who constantly pollutes the collegeconfidential forums with these retarded questions. after all the answers you've been given/times you've been flamed, you're still clueless...

 
8/14/07
 
8/14/07

lol dwade. For some reason, I sensed that connection also.

Anyway, the consistent targets you mentioned are Michigan, Cornell, and Stanford. They actually give you strength in regional recruiting as well (consulting hiring is very region-based). So Stanford for SF/LA offices, Michigan for Chicago offices, Cornell for NY offices, etc. Wisconsin, Emory, USC, and Texas are good, but I would put them as semi-targets. I don't know much at all about UNC. I know it's a great school academically but have no idea about placement. Don't bother with the rest.

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8/14/07

No offense, but just by how clueless you are, you're not getting into Stanford. I'm really not trying to be mean, just letting you know the reality. Kids who get into stanford know what they're doing, and they will not even begin to consider places like USC, UW, and the rest in your list.

People who apply to Stanford apply to others like harvard, yale, princeton, MIT, Berkeley.

 
8/17/07
aceman:

No offense, but just by how clueless you are, you're not getting into Stanford. I'm really not trying to be mean, just letting you know the reality. Kids who get into stanford know what they're doing, and they will not even begin to consider places like USC, UW, and the rest in your list.

People who apply to Stanford apply to others like harvard, yale, princeton, MIT, Berkeley.

 
8/15/07

...when did I say that I'm getting into stanford? All I said is that I'll apply there. Calm down dude. What was that for?

 
8/15/07

manoftroy, please do not listen to these tools....I thought all the tools were on the ib forum but apparently I was wrong

OBVIOUSLY, going to an ivy league school substantially makes the whole recruiting and interviewing heart ache much more bearable but that being said, non-targets constantly and consistently make it into the industry

I have a friend who goes to a school that everyone goes "huh? where is that" when he mentions his school's name but, this same fellow has two ibd internships under his belt and he is just a sophomore. He is currently on bain, mck and bcg's radar for summer of '08, hasn't started interviewing yet, but has gotten interview confirmations from all three for internship recruiting for next summer.

If you want something, go for it. You don't have to go to harvard to get it. Heck, some people at Harvard don't even get into these firms and some people at no name schools get in. How do you explain that? If your heart and passion is in something, don't let anyone discourage you.

 
8/15/07

....

What's your background notanothertool? If you have had ANY experience in banking/consulting/HF/PE, whatever where there is a great deal of competition you will know that everyone went to a great school. Being constantly surrounded by people who went to ivies/ivy-equivalents, you will start to realize that is the norm in these places.

Calling me a tool for telling him to go to the most prestigious school he can get in to is doing him a disservice and is the exact kind of bullshit that the forum doesn't need. Yeah, you don't HAVE to go to Harvard to "get it" (whatever it is), but it makes it a hell of a lot easier. Your friend with 2 ibd internships either has ridiculous connections along with a great GPA or is imaginary. If manoftroy has those connections, then yeah it doesn't matter as much (though he should still try and go to a good school) but I am guessing he doesn't.

If you are seriously looking for an answer as to how some Harvard people don't get it and some non-targets do, yeah that's true it happens but there are a hell of a lot more Harvard people than non-targets in consulting.

Speaking from personal experience I went to a top 10 school for undergrad, but my firm doesn't even have a resume drop at my school. I was one of those non-targets who got an offer while all those Harvard people didn't but I will tell you it would have been a HELL of a lot easier if I was a Harvard kid. For example in my analyst class, there was me, one kid from Stern, and everyone else was from HYPS.

Anyway manoftroy, from your list I would probably go with Michigan (assuming you don't get in to Cornell or Stanford). I really hate to say this but if you want a general guide as to how good a school is for consulting recruiting, for privates go with US news rankings, for publics go with (roughly) Berkeley, Michigan, UVA, UTAustin, UCLA for regional.

 
8/15/07

boozer, you haven't said anything new, you just repeated what I said in 4 paragraphs

 
8/15/07

He was talking about choosing a school, and you were essentially saying it didn't matter which school he went to, heart and desire alone would be enough (cue Disney music). I was trying to show to you why you were being a naive idiot.

 
8/15/07

hey boozer thanks for the help man.

Very last question, then I'll probably not need to post on this forum for a while.

Is there a significant advantage of choosing UT over Mich if I know I want to live in the south, or do I just need to go with the name brand mich has? The only reason I ask is because I like UT a bit better, and so I was wondering whether I would be just as well off going there and having a better time, and maybe getting recruited in the south easier, or would I just want to go to michigan, because thats the best way possible?

 
8/15/07

Yes, if you want to live in the south go to UT. I am almost certain that many major consulting firms hire from UT for their Dallas offices, which is usually one of the biggest US offices.

 
8/16/07

Sorry, you've almost gotten rid of me, but I was just wondering if Texas's name will carry out in other southern states like Arizona, Colorado (well I guess CO is considered more northern, but it is still extremely close to Texas), etc.?

Although I definitely wouldn't mind working in Texas, especially the big cities like Dallas, Houston, etc., but I might want to live in Arizona because the phoenix area is appealing, so will going to Texas be OK for landing a job there or will ASU and UA (which I'm assuming aren't even close to McCombs in prestige) dominate Texas?

I know that I'll have to go further east to get recruited in Florida and such, but I'm wondering basically what other southern states I can feasibly be recruited at by going to Texas.

 
8/16/07

Why would you want to go to Arizona? You are saying you want to work for a well-known, prestigious consulting firm and they usually only have offices in Dallas and Houston. If there are any projects out of Arizona, they would fly in consultants from Dallas/Houston. Make sense? I would say a general list of offices for firms is New York, Boston, Chicago, LA, San Francisco/Palo Alto, Miami, Atlanta, Dallas, Houston, maybe Seattle, maybe Minneapolis.

 
8/17/07
boozer:

Why would you want to go to Arizona? You are saying you want to work for a well-known, prestigious consulting firm and they usually only have offices in Dallas and Houston. If there are any projects out of Arizona, they would fly in consultants from Dallas/Houston. Make sense? I would say a general list of offices for firms is New York, Boston, Chicago, LA, San Francisco/Palo Alto, Miami, Atlanta, Dallas, Houston, maybe Seattle, maybe Minneapolis.

The only MBB work you're going to find in Arizona right now starts with "Pets" and ends with "Mart". Clearly, the sexiest casework isn't so easily found in the desert.

 
8/17/07

FYI: Boozer please next time keep your dirty comments to yourself. I am not a "naive idiot."

 
8/17/07

If you think "naive idiot" is a dirty comment...

 
8/18/07

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