Arabs not Diverse?

Hey yall! I am a Middle Eastern immigrant, first-generation, and lower-income. I also am not white-passing. I am having trouble applying for many diversity programs because their limited definition of diversity is "Black, Latino or LGBT". Many of my African American friends and Hispanic friends tell me to just put Black or Latino. I am just wondering what should I actually put because there are not many Arabs on Wall Street. We also only make up 1% of the United States. So I was wondering if I can get feedback. Also if there repercussions for not identifying properly. Additionally is there programs other than Goldman that help people like me specify who we are because I know for a fact that even though I am classified as white in America I do not have the same privileges. 

 

I asked this same exact question a few weeks ago you can probably find the post, but the consensus seemed to be the we don't qualify. Only exception is ofc Goldman as you mentioned.

 
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The diversity hiring agenda is not about actual diversity #'s (as you cited 1%) it's about appeasing the squeaky wheels of society. You could make a linkedin post about your struggle and if it gets traction or goes viral maybe that will influence a future Arab hiring initiative. Implying that banks are racist should get their attention. 

 
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Diversity programs in the US are rotten to the core with absolutely 0 practicality and does not actually care about true diversity.

If you look dark enough you can probably get passed as a Latino. Or try going LGBT? If anyone asks, just say "I'm bi but I'm mostly attracted to the opposite sex."

Just abuse the system like everyone else does. If enough people do it, people will catch on to the hypocrisy and idiocy of these "diversity programs" and redesign it.

REFORM DIVERSITY PROGRAMS RIGHT NOW

 

I think by now, most of us are familiar with the disdain you have for diversity.  I do not think that companies have bad intentions when it comes to diversifying its work force. There are people who think that diversity is a good thing in that it is good to get different perspectives from different types of people.  

 

Did you hear what the Wells Fargo CEO said about black talent at the firm? Saying there was no question Wells had to diversify more and bring in more talent but there wasn’t a good talent pool of qualified black applicants. He apologized for it later but I thought it a point not often made and one that I imagine is true across industries like finance and tech. 

 

financeabc

I think by now, most of us are familiar with the disdain you have for diversity.  

No, you're wrong. I am a HUGE proponent of diversity. 

I have a disdain for way this country currently thinks about diversity and poor ways it tries to achieve diversity. Essentially, I think that diversity programs need to be reformed.

Like I always say, treat the disease not the symptoms.

 

financeabc

I think by now, most of us are familiar with the disdain you have for diversity.  I do not think that companies have bad intentions when it comes to diversifying its work force. There are people who think that diversity is a good thing in that it is good to get different perspectives from different types of people.  

Just look at all these “DEI” executives. Absolute clowns. When a large percentage of people with your job title have pink hair, your job is meaningless and a joke

 

tyronejinga

Lol this pussy again, typing in all caps, showcasing his autism, while trying so hard to come off as un-biased and some sort of intellectual. What a scumbag.

You literally backed out of a fight you instigated. Who's the real pussy here? Me, who actually tried to go through with the brawl or you who talked a big game but backed out of it at the last moment?

At least I keep my word. Coward.

 

tyronejinga

showcasing his autism, while trying so hard to come off as un-biased and some sort of intellectual.

Yeah right. I'm mostly repeating points from an African American intellectual who's a Stanford professor with a PhD in Econ from UChicago but I'm autistic I guess.

Why don't you tell the exact same thing to this man?

https://media4.manhattan-institute.org/sites/cj/files/Thomas-Sowell-1981.jpg

 

 I know for a fact that even though I am classified as white in America I do not have the same privileges. 

Can you clarify what you mean by white privileges?

In contrast to  idiotic advice on here strongly would not recommend playing the system. It will come back to haunt you at a later date in some form, you can count on that. This is a serious  profession. People value integrity. Work on improving yourself as a candidate instead.

 

  Anyone can legally change their name with a deed poll, if they feel they are missing out on that big a privilege. Do not see the point you're making.  

 

Banking is literally the most "not for everybody" field. They have so many applicants they can just pull whoever they want and they'd still be qualified enough to do the job. Diversity is about selectivity as much as target schools, rich friends' kids, and rocket scientists who are interested in wall street primarily for the perceived notion of a big payday. Just because you want to work in banking doesn't mean it will actually happen.

 

Definitely agree with this, do not mark yourself as something you are not, given the choices you can choose from. However, it's shitty that the only thing American about you is the fact you were born here, yet you can't mark diversity. I'm an Arab-American first-gen as well and do feel I should be considered as a diversity-candidate, and if you look at any other country's apps, they have a section for Arabs to select. If first-gen Hispanics can select diversity (Hispanics are 15%+ of US population), why can't we?

 

I’m south Asian, first gen, low income immigrant and can’t qualify for diversity either, I guess it’s because others form our backgrounds tend to be more well off and successful. Like you look at the medicine or tech and Asians outnumber whites in some places. Personally, I don’t care about qualifying, might make things easier but it’s not open to me so why waste time on it. If you don’t mind me asking, have you felt some opportunities lost to you because you didn’t qualify for diversity?

 

Just identify as diversity candidate and say you're half if they ask further, not like they can request a DNA test. Clearly worked for Elizabeth Warren, and I know one guy from my class after mine who got into a BB identifying as Hispanic despite being American-born French and whiter than Wonder Bread (granted he spoke Spanish pretty well). If they're going to foist this stuff on everyone while ignoring minorities because they're the "wrong" color you might as well play their game against them.

"The obedient always think of themselves as virtuous rather than cowardly" - Robert A. Wilson | "If you don't have any enemies in life you have never stood up for anything" - Winston Churchill | "It's a testament to the sheer belligerence of the profession that people would rather argue about the 'risk-adjusted returns' of using inferior tooth cleaning methods." - kellycriterion
 

Here's the kicker.

If you were a female Arab that wears a hijab ...you would be embraced by liberals as a diversity candidate and probably asked to be included in some of the corporate stock photos as well.

Liberals love to virtue signal with stuff like that.

 

Hear me out.

I'm a straight, Asian male who grew up Muslim. BUT I look more Arab than south Asian. So what if I start pumping myself full of estragen and get a sex change, I start wearing a hijab, I change my name from MaxEpic, to an Arab name. I become a transgender Arab women. What do you think? can I finally break into IB? Will my MD love me the same?

 

Fuck the Hijab-wearing meme. Media ONLY EVER parade some cucked hijabi for a few seconds in news and product ads because then they can signal "ohhh we accept muslims!" it's ALWAYS the hijab. WE KNOW this is a virtue-signal. Only soy-latte commies are fooled, and deep down t hey DESPISE women who don't flaunt their bodies like a truly "sexually empowered" feminist.

Seriously, that's why Arabs are being brainwashed with sexual liberation. We didn't succeed in wiping their family-oriented, matriarchy with bombs, guns and cyberwarfare and 4trillion $. 30 years of combat and we aren't any closer to sexually "FReeEing" the LAST REMAINING PATRIARCHY in the world; so women and armies decided to spam Arabia with Feminism, sexual liberation, porn and liberal markets.

Feminist were FURIOUS at hijabis when we were growing up (my parents are from Arabia, go ahead, bomb my wso account). She didn't wear it often but when she did, OMG women would be all "she's oppressed!" "WHy r yoU aSHaeMed oF YoUr BoDIY!" "It"S Ok to Be SeXiY" (eiigh...girl that's my mommy!). Feminist say that because sexual freedom leads to matriarchies, SIMP farms, and broken families. Leftist women all come from daddy's absent families and all hate their families, so of course they want their dystopia to beCUM the normative form

I love America and frankly I'm America-Prime. But we (Americans, which I am proud to be) suffered enormous cultural warfare and societal engineering with floods of coomer propaganda, egalitiarianism, identity politics for some but not others, and political speech which makes free thinking a crime. We're now battling with  media the countries we didn't kill with fire.

Reject propaganda; embrace MONKE (apu from aladdin I feel is pertinent here!)


Embrace Apu

See ya, I'm sure some tard will bomb my condo for standing against feminism and liberal swindling, and plant a bunch of Korans and DLIVE subs 

 

I doubt that Arabs are actually underrepresented on Wall Street. Arabs have had a lot of business success in the US. 

But anyway, as ridiculous as this sounds, many Arabs aren’t non-white looking enough so they don’t know how to classify them. This entire point re: Arabs illuminates how ridiculous some of these diversity categories can be especially in the US. 

Like two members of Congress - Justin Amash and Rashida Tlaib - have basically the exact same ancestry (Palestinian/Syrian and Palestinian, respectively) and are from the same state, yet only Rashida Tlaib is considered “a person of color”. 

Many Americans don’t even recognize people with Arab Levantine heritage as Arab unless they are told, as many of these people look like they have Southern European heritage to many Americans.  

Yet, a lot of Arabs from the Maghreb or Gulf states are definitely viewed as minorities by most Americans, but still, they’re not a separate classification than the rest of the Arab world. 

 

Hey SuperCluster45,

The idea of using diversity as an application requirement is an extremely fluid thing right? I think the fluidity of it comes from the idea that oppression (or lack of opportunity) happens on a spectrum. So on the far right, old white men, and on the far left, black people.

I believe banks structure their diversity programs in tandem with that spectrum, the opportunities for access, and the broad economic resources a group on the spectrum has.

As far as Arabs, I don’t think any bank can really build a diversity pipeline for Arab people because in reality there are Arabs darker than Wesley Snipes and some lighter than Casper. So the term Arab turns into something that is synonymous with a term like American, instead of a racial group.

 

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>be me, Banko5060

>Say that oppression is a fluid spectrum

>Muh WhiteOldMen on the right, blacks on the left (since they listned to beyonce and went to the left, hururu)

>Because some arabs are whitelooking, and others are darkeys, they don't become a race because you can't decipher who's black and who's white arabian

>But any blond-curly-haired semi-black-looking-dude is automatically black

>Muh racist but-now-prodigious 1drop 

>Wesley Snipes

If that's the case, white dudes should not be considered "white". You are not a white-guilty monolith anymore. You are not even German, Irish, Czhech--You are Stuttgarten, Wlesh, Slavic, Sognmndal


 

 

The percentage of your particular group is irrelevant.

Google why diversity programs exist and then see if it applies to your particular demographic.

If you’re not one of the groups that have been shit on for centuries within America, chances are you don’t qualify.

Get busy living
 

Hey yall! I am a Middle Eastern immigrant, first-generation, and lower-income. I also am not white-passing. I am having trouble applying for many diversity programs because their limited definition of diversity is "Black, Latino or LGBT". Many of my African American friends and Hispanic friends tell me to just put Black or Latino. I am just wondering what should I actually put because there are not many Arabs on Wall Street. We also only make up 1% of the United States. So I was wondering if I can get feedback. Also if there repercussions for not identifying properly. Additionally is there programs other than Goldman that help people like me specify who we are because I know for a fact that even though I am classified as white in America I do not have the same privileges. 

It's pretty simple, really.  Blacks and Latinos, and to a lesser but still meaningful degree LGBT folks, have been taken advantage of by both the society and government of the USA.  For black folks it should be obvious, that being brought over as a slave and then relegated to barely second-class citizenship meant that your average black family starts from a hole that your average white family does not.  LGBT people have also faced government-sponsored oppression.  And while Latinos may not qualify in quite the same way, lets be honest - they're a huge constituency and they're underrepresented in "white collar" jobs and thus, make the cut.

Folks of Arabic or Middle Eastern descent don't face the kind of institutionally sponsored challenges that blacks or LGBT people do.  I think folks like our lovely POTUS spend a lot of time demonizing Arabs and/or Muslims (which are not the same, I am aware thanks), but that's a far more recent phenomenon and thus isn't quite as ingrained in American society.

So it's not just a question of "who is a member of a minority population," as much as a question of "which minority populations has the US government historically tried to keep in a marginalized role, and how do we as a society try and put that right?"

 

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Feel sleepy. Feel movement. You wake up. It's warm now.

3 butch western army officers are standing over you. You're hear dogs growling.
"if you walk off that box you'll get electrocuted"

"Where am I?"

"you're in guantonemo bay"

Seeing as you work in Real Estate and have zero game with women you say

You mean...Guantanemo, Bae?

Get eaten by dogs and penetrated with a shovel

My face when

--For the record, look, in my POV, whites are a minority. See my other rants for explanation. Basically, "White" is lazy slang for ">3000 disparate tribes, religions and cultures which eventually aggregated over the last 300 years to form EuRoPe"

WE WUZ VIKINGS N SHIET - Imgur

 

Seriously?  You're equating the fact that a relative handful of people may have been profiled on the basis of their religion or ethnicity with the fact that tens of millions of black people were legally second class citizens (or property) for most of this country's history, and still are informally treated that way?

Anecdotal experience is no substitute for broader statistical evidence.  I don't agree with the existence of Guantanamo Bay, or torture as a method of information extraction, at all, but it's absurd to think of that as an equivalent to centuries of state-sponsored discrimination of blacks (and to a lesser extent people of latino descent).

And nice little dig at real estate!  Love it

 

I'm half arab and could probably shed some light on this. Honestly, it doesn't realistically lever you in any favorable direction because you are being categorized as "White" or "Caucasian". I don't feel that diversity programs really provide any fair purpose other than to show a quota or an attempt at recruiting "disadvantaged" minority groups is being met.

I will say that somehow even though you might be born in this country as a legal citizen with at least 2 to 3 fully established generations, that you can still be considered "disadvantaged" because of skin color or your racial background, exclusively. Yet being an immigrant or a descendant of recent immigrants presents no weight despite cultural challenges that might occur. For example, how about speaking English? A majority of the immigrant population doesn't speak English but many take on labor-intensive jobs like janitorial, personal care services, housekeeping, food services; the "dirty" or "less pleasant" jobs Americans don't actually take. These immigrants take those jobs because their English is not so great, but they can put their hands to work to make an actual living and take care of a family. Back in the "home country" it might not otherwise be possible due to huge issues politically and economically. Laws, politicians and businesses can be extremely corrupt elsewhere, heavy unemployment or underemployment may be too constant to the point where life is not sustainable in the long-run. Now do all immigrants want to remain in these menial and laborious jobs? No, some may not be able to succeed but they generationally want their children to succeed. Many groups like Koreans, Cubans and Iranians all came to the US from politically and economically wrecked countries. Many have been able to build fruitful lives despite no real prior ties to the US. I mean Yemen is in the Middle East and very poor for the kind of life experienced, so is a Yemeni immigrant "better-off" because the US census classifies them as white? How about Syrian immigrants? Syria was under a dictatorship but they're white-looking so they're "fine". What about immigrants from Eastern Europe? They're white so does that mean they are better off? Laws against homosexuality, few legal rights for women, dictatorships, excessive unemployment and corrupt law enforcement = many Eastern European countries, so it's a "NO".

Obviously, that's a bit of a tangent there as it won't directly help you, but for me I experienced this as a kid. Skin color and race still remains to be big issue despite the ignorance behind it. My other parent was a non-white immigrant. I've seen what hardship actually is and this is what actually motivates me in my career to not take things for granted. It's this kind of motivation that is driving me to succeed and I hope it can for you. You're responsible for your own success despite setbacks. There's no need to rest on other non-changeable attributes of mine to help you succeed, its your own capabilities and motivation that will.  

 

I wrote like 8 pages of the history of racial "dIveRsity" in the US and it got immediately errore'd out. 

So, fellow brownistani, let me inform you. I look whiter than most Europeans. I am about as Caucasian looking as we come. What people will say when you're in earshot WILL be different than what they say when they think there are zero Arabs around.

Long post but here goes. This is like my friend from South Africa. Speaks an African language. Has a south-african passport. Looks...well, he's blonde, blue-cerulan eyes and is named like a Dane. You guessed it, he's never allowed to self-identify as African American. Read:

1. I look 120% white. No one has ever asked me for my race unless I tell them where my parents were born. Most of my buddies have ZERO idea where my parents were born.

2. They have never asked but they ask the swarthy Arab whose family were born in Baltimore and have been here for several eons  before mine and surely theirs. 

3. Blacks are fearful of Arabs, and despise AFrican Muslims. in 2007-9 Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton basically said Obama wasn't really "black" because his father was from Kenya--...let that sink in. 

4. Arabs are still feared by African-Americans (chekc out dlive and youtube videos of some woman saying "AYYYRabs!" it's hilarious). Jews fear arabs (wathc me get suspended from WSO). Asians, LGBTQ+ and Hispanics despise Muslims, so maybe you're clear IDK. 99% of WSO will say "I don't!" but having seen my friends when they think Arabs aren't watching, they do, but in "private".

5. America First created a coolness around calling yourself "just an American" in 2015-2016. BEFORE That, anyone could and frequently WOULD seek out Arabs, Muslim-looking people, and African Muslims and say "where are you from?" even if they were born here (see point 2).  EVERYONE was given free licence do to this EXCEPT the people who were being asked; BLACKS did this. Jews (whom I love, I support Israel and Ben Shapirohaha) did this. LIBERALS ESPECIALLY would do this (because, while they want to say publically that they embrace immigrants and all folks, they're scared shitless and putting on a facade). Regular white dudes would say this, the same who now say "America First".

5.1: They do this basically to know who might be a terrorist in the room. Yes, that's basically it. You would almost never hear them ask a white guy "where are you from/what race are you", nor would the ask an oriental, black dude, or Latino unless that Latino were named Omar (an Arab and Hispanic name)

6.  Before 2015 and the America First motto, white Americans frequently called themselves "irish" or "Norwegian" (example: "oh user DoomEternal, I got drunk because I'm Irish" or "I hate skjorling but I shouldn't, I'm Norwegian!"). So before Donald Trump started saying "America First", everyone but Arabs and some Orientals would basically self-describe based on where their great-grandparents were from.   Only since 2015 did some Caucasians drop the hyphenation of their background and others' backgrounds, and start saying "We're all Americans!" 
6.1. on that note, years ago, ONLY ARABS and ME people would self-identify as "Just Americans" becuase, when folks would ask (only Arablooking people) "define your family's origin" or "what country are you from", they were really asking whether or not you were Arab. Seriously. If you said "I'm from Denmark" (where ironically lots of arabs live), or they'd keep pushing until you named an ostensibly Arab country.
// Saying "I'm just an American. no Hyphenation needed" was code for "I or my family were born in a Muslim-named country and I don't want FBI harassing us because you see a geography as evidence that we're bombing puppy shelters, so I will obfuscate and pledge sole allegiance to the State I'm in". 

7. Most of WSO will shitvote my comment because people want to re-write history and not confront the fact that, as liberals, they were afraid of arabs UP UNTIL DONALD TRUMP got momentum in the primaries.

8. Liberals (think bisexual feminazis, non-binary SJW extremists, ANTIFAggots, Soy-Latte Demorats, Democracy INC Conservatives-in-Leftists' clothes) All fear Islam like the plague. LIKE THE PLAGUE> BUT they will NEVER EVER EVER say it to your face. EVER SINCE Donald Trump brought up the so-called Muslim Ban, women, latinos, blacks and Feminst-theory Majors decided that "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" and started suddenly embracing Arabs, Middle-easterners, etc. DON"T be fooled.

9. If you're like me, being arab/middle-eastern, you're probably pretty cool and pretty decent-looking. I'm a raging faggot, but my friends are all swarmed with leftist femanazis who want to dissapoint their fathers by fucking Arab/Muslim men, who just so happen to be IB analysts, Doctors and Attorneys, hm....
Try not to fall for it.

10. Whites get a bad rap but there shouldn't be a designation "white" to begin with; If I'm not Asian-American because my family's from Jordan, Danny O'Donnel isn't white, he's Irish, and Erik Bakke isn't white--he's not even Norwegian (Erik is a Norwegian name)--He's probably Sogmndal-American, where the last name Bakke comes from (I think?). Basically, whites shouldn't think of themselves as the majority--a few hundred years ago you were all fighting your neighboring Viking over Culture, women, and Religion. You had nothing in common.

I guarantee you shit will FLY at this post.  Conservatives who want to rewrite the last 18 years, and conservatives in Liberals' clothing will seethe. 

I should've made a seperate account, beause I'm sure someone will file a complaint about this post. But, dude, I've been here before conception. I am a regular dude in the midwest. Seen shit others won't confess

Based? I think so

 

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