Arabs not Diverse?

Hey yall! I am a Middle Eastern immigrant, first-generation, and lower-income. I also am not white-passing. I am having trouble applying for many diversity programs because their limited definition of diversity is "Black, Latino or LGBT". Many of my African American friends and Hispanic friends tell me to just put Black or Latino. I am just wondering what should I actually put because there are not many Arabs on Wall Street. We also only make up 1% of the United States. So I was wondering if I can get feedback. Also if there repercussions for not identifying properly. Additionally is there programs other than Goldman that help people like me specify who we are because I know for a fact that even though I am classified as white in America I do not have the same privileges. 

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  • Intern in IB - Gen
Sep 25, 2020 - 1:16am

I asked this same exact question a few weeks ago you can probably find the post, but the consensus seemed to be the we don't qualify. Only exception is ofc Goldman as you mentioned.

 
Most Helpful
Sep 25, 2020 - 4:29am

The diversity hiring agenda is not about actual diversity #'s (as you cited 1%) it's about appeasing the squeaky wheels of society. You could make a linkedin post about your struggle and if it gets traction or goes viral maybe that will influence a future Arab hiring initiative. Implying that banks are racist should get their attention. 

 
Controversial
Sep 25, 2020 - 9:15am

Diversity programs in the US are rotten to the core with absolutely 0 practicality and does not actually care about true diversity.

If you look dark enough you can probably get passed as a Latino. Or try going LGBT? If anyone asks, just say "I'm bi but I'm mostly attracted to the opposite sex."

 

Just abuse the system like everyone else does. If enough people do it, people will catch on to the hypocrisy and idiocy of these "diversity programs" and redesign it.

REFORM DIVERSITY PROGRAMS RIGHT NOW

 
Sep 25, 2020 - 12:49pm

I think by now, most of us are familiar with the disdain you have for diversity.  I do not think that companies have bad intentions when it comes to diversifying its work force. There are people who think that diversity is a good thing in that it is good to get different perspectives from different types of people.  

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Sep 25, 2020 - 12:54pm

Did you hear what the Wells Fargo CEO said about black talent at the firm? Saying there was no question Wells had to diversify more and bring in more talent but there wasn't a good talent pool of qualified black applicants. He apologized for it later but I thought it a point not often made and one that I imagine is true across industries like finance and tech. 

The main thing about money, Bud, is that it makes you do things you don't want to do.

 
Sep 25, 2020 - 1:28pm

financeabc

I think by now, most of us are familiar with the disdain you have for diversity.  

No, you're wrong. I am a HUGE proponent of diversity. 

I have a disdain for way this country currently thinks about diversity and poor ways it tries to achieve diversity. Essentially, I think that diversity programs need to be reformed.

Like I always say, treat the disease not the symptoms.

 
Sep 25, 2020 - 10:32pm

tyronejinga

Lol this pussy again, typing in all caps, showcasing his autism, while trying so hard to come off as un-biased and some sort of intellectual. What a scumbag.

You literally backed out of a fight you instigated. Who's the real pussy here? Me, who actually tried to go through with the brawl or you who talked a big game but backed out of it at the last moment?

At least I keep my word. Coward.

 
Sep 25, 2020 - 10:45pm

tyronejinga

showcasing his autism, while trying so hard to come off as un-biased and some sort of intellectual.

Yeah right. I'm mostly repeating points from an African American intellectual who's a Stanford professor with a PhD in Econ from UChicago but I'm autistic I guess.

Why don't you tell the exact same thing to this man?

https://media4.manhattan-institute.org/sites/cj/files/Thomas-Sowell-1981.jpg

 

 
  • Intern in PropTrad
Sep 25, 2020 - 10:33am

 I know for a fact that even though I am classified as white in America I do not have the same privileges. 

Can you clarify what you mean by white privileges?

In contrast to  idiotic advice on here strongly would not recommend playing the system. It will come back to haunt you at a later date in some form, you can count on that. This is a serious  profession. People value integrity. Work on improving yourself as a candidate instead.

 
Sep 25, 2020 - 10:53am

I just always put white or other if the option was available. By definition of what is considered white (according to the US Census), Middle Eastern falls under that category. 

I always figured it had something to do with historical views of the Bible or something. 

 
  • Analyst 1 in IB - Gen
Sep 25, 2020 - 11:09am

Banking is literally the most "not for everybody" field. They have so many applicants they can just pull whoever they want and they'd still be qualified enough to do the job. Diversity is about selectivity as much as target schools, rich friends' kids, and rocket scientists who are interested in wall street primarily for the perceived notion of a big payday. Just because you want to work in banking doesn't mean it will actually happen.

 
Sep 25, 2020 - 12:26pm

Definitely agree with this, do not mark yourself as something you are not, given the choices you can choose from. However, it's shitty that the only thing American about you is the fact you were born here, yet you can't mark diversity. I'm an Arab-American first-gen as well and do feel I should be considered as a diversity-candidate, and if you look at any other country's apps, they have a section for Arabs to select. If first-gen Hispanics can select diversity (Hispanics are 15%+ of US population), why can't we?

 
Sep 25, 2020 - 12:38pm

I'm south Asian, first gen, low income immigrant and can't qualify for diversity either, I guess it's because others form our backgrounds tend to be more well off and successful. Like you look at the medicine or tech and Asians outnumber whites in some places. Personally, I don't care about qualifying, might make things easier but it's not open to me so why waste time on it. If you don't mind me asking, have you felt some opportunities lost to you because you didn't qualify for diversity?

The main thing about money, Bud, is that it makes you do things you don't want to do.

 
Sep 25, 2020 - 1:25pm

Just identify as diversity candidate and say your half if they ask further, not like they can request a DNA test. Clearly worked for Elizabeth Warren, and I know one guy from my class after mine who got into a BB identifying as Hispanic despite being American-born French and whiter than Wonder Bread (granted he spoke Spanish pretty well). If they're going to foist this stuff on everyone while ignoring minorities because they're the "wrong" color you might as well play their game against them.

Array

 
Sep 25, 2020 - 1:59pm

Here's the kicker.

 

If you were a female Arab that wears a hijab ...you would be embraced by liberals as a diversity candidate and probably asked to be included in some of the corporate stock photos as well.

 

Liberals love to virtue signal with stuff like that.

 

 

Array
 
Sep 25, 2020 - 2:17pm

Hear me out.

I'm a straight, Asian male who grew up Muslim. BUT I look more Arab than south Asian. So what if I start pumping myself full of estragen and get a sex change, I start wearing a hijab, I change my name from MaxEpic, to an Arab name. I become a transgender Arab women. What do you think? can I finally break into IB? Will my MD love me the same?

The main thing about money, Bud, is that it makes you do things you don't want to do.

 
Oct 3, 2020 - 4:47pm

Fuck the Hijab-wearing meme. Media ONLY EVER parade some cucked hijabi for a few seconds in news and product ads because then they can signal "ohhh we accept muslims!" it's ALWAYS the hijab. WE KNOW this is a virtue-signal. Only soy-latte commies are fooled, and deep down t hey DESPISE women who don't flaunt their bodies like a truly "sexually empowered" feminist.

 

 

Seriously, that's why Arabs are being brainwashed with sexual liberation. We didn't succeed in wiping their family-oriented, matriarchy with bombs, guns and cyberwarfare and 4trillion $. 30 years of combat and we aren't any closer to sexually "FReeEing" the LAST REMAINING PATRIARCHY in the world; so women and armies decided to spam Arabia with Feminism, sexual liberation, porn and liberal markets.

 

 

Feminist were FURIOUS at hijabis when we were growing up (my parents are from Arabia, go ahead, bomb my wso account). She didn't wear it often but when she did, OMG women would be all "she's oppressed!" "WHy r yoU aSHaeMed oF YoUr BoDIY!" "It"S Ok to Be SeXiY" (eiigh...girl that's my mommy!). Feminist say that because sexual freedom leads to matriarchies, SIMP farms, and broken families. Leftist women all come from daddy's absent families and all hate their families, so of course they want their dystopia to beCUM the normative form

 

 

I love America and frankly I'm America-Prime. But we (Americans, which I am proud to be) suffered enormous cultural warfare and societal engineering with floods of coomer propaganda, egalitiarianism, identity politics for some but not others, and political speech which makes free thinking a crime. We're now battling with  media the countries we didn't kill with fire.

 

 

Reject propaganda; embrace MONKE (apu from aladdin I feel is pertinent here!)

Embrace Apu

 

See ya, I'm sure some tard will bomb my condo for standing against feminism and liberal swindling, and plant a bunch of Korans and DLIVE subs 

 

 

 
Sep 25, 2020 - 2:01pm

I doubt that Arabs are actually underrepresented on Wall Street. Arabs have had a lot of business success in the US. 

But anyway, as ridiculous as this sounds, many Arabs aren't non-white looking enough so they don't know how to classify them. This entire point re: Arabs illuminates how ridiculous some of these diversity categories can be especially in the US. 

Like two members of Congress - Justin Amash and Rashida Tlaib - have basically the exact same ancestry (Palestinian/Syrian and Palestinian, respectively) and are from the same state, yet only Rashida Tlaib is considered "a person of color". 

Many Americans don't even recognize people with Arab Levantine heritage as Arab unless they are told, as many of these people look like they have Southern European heritage to many Americans.  

Yet, a lot of Arabs from the Maghreb or Gulf states are definitely viewed as minorities by most Americans, but still, they're not a separate classification than the rest of the Arab world. 

Array
 
Sep 26, 2020 - 10:19am

Hey SuperCluster45,

The idea of using diversity as an application requirement is an extremely fluid thing right? I think the fluidity of it comes from the idea that oppression (or lack of opportunity) happens on a spectrum. So on the far right, old white men, and on the far left, black people.

I believe banks structure their diversity programs in tandem with that spectrum, the opportunities for access, and the broad economic resources a group on the spectrum has.

As far as Arabs, I don't think any bank can really build a diversity pipeline for Arab people because in reality there are Arabs darker than Wesley Snipes and some lighter than Casper. So the term Arab turns into something that is synonymous with a term like American, instead of a racial group.

 
Oct 3, 2020 - 4:34pm

It's Safe for Work by the way.

 

>be me, Banko5060

>Say that oppression is a fluid spectrum

>Muh WhiteOldMen on the right, blacks on the left (since they listned to beyonce and went to the left, hururu)

>Because some arabs are whitelooking, and others are darkeys, they don't become a race because you can't decipher who's black and who's white arabian

>But any blond-curly-haired semi-black-looking-dude is automatically black

>Muh racist but-now-prodigious 1drop 

>Wesley Snipes

 

If that's the case, white dudes should not be considered "white". You are not a white-guilty monolith anymore. You are not even German, Irish, Czhech--You are Stuttgarten, Wlesh, Slavic, Sognmndal

 

 

 
Sep 26, 2020 - 1:37pm

It's ridiculous you don't quality given Arabs are probably one of the most discriminated against people post 9/11... 

I'm not Arab but people confuse me for Arab and still ran into tons of racist shitheads until maybe 3 or 4 years ago where I feel it got slightly better.

 
Sep 26, 2020 - 10:41pm

The percentage of your particular group is irrelevant.

 

Google why diversity programs exist and then see if it applies to your particular demographic.

 

If you're not one of the groups that have been shit on for centuries within America, chances are you don't qualify.

 

 

Get busy living
 
Sep 29, 2020 - 6:09pm

Hey yall! I am a Middle Eastern immigrant, first-generation, and lower-income. I also am not white-passing. I am having trouble applying for many diversity programs because their limited definition of diversity is "Black, Latino or LGBT". Many of my African American friends and Hispanic friends tell me to just put Black or Latino. I am just wondering what should I actually put because there are not many Arabs on Wall Street. We also only make up 1% of the United States. So I was wondering if I can get feedback. Also if there repercussions for not identifying properly. Additionally is there programs other than Goldman that help people like me specify who we are because I know for a fact that even though I am classified as white in America I do not have the same privileges. 

It's pretty simple, really.  Blacks and Latinos, and to a lesser but still meaningful degree LGBT folks, have been taken advantage of by both the society and government of the USA.  For black folks it should be obvious, that being brought over as a slave and then relegated to barely second-class citizenship meant that your average black family starts from a hole that your average white family does not.  LGBT people have also faced government-sponsored oppression.  And while Latinos may not qualify in quite the same way, lets be honest - they're a huge constituency and they're underrepresented in "white collar" jobs and thus, make the cut.

Folks of Arabic or Middle Eastern descent don't face the kind of institutionally sponsored challenges that blacks or LGBT people do.  I think folks like our lovely POTUS spend a lot of time demonizing Arabs and/or Muslims (which are not the same, I am aware thanks), but that's a far more recent phenomenon and thus isn't quite as ingrained in American society.

So it's not just a question of "who is a member of a minority population," as much as a question of "which minority populations has the US government historically tried to keep in a marginalized role, and how do we as a society try and put that right?"

 
Oct 3, 2020 - 4:56pm

Google extraordinary ren--" without a using TOR.

Feel sleepy. Feel movement. You wake up. It's warm now.

3 butch western army officers are standing over you. You're hear dogs growling.
"if you walk off that box you'll get electrocuted"

"Where am I?"

"you're in guantonemo bay"

Seeing as you work in Real Estate and have zero game with women you say

You mean...Guantanemo, Bae?

Get eaten by dogs and penetrated with a shovel

My face when

--For the record, look, in my POV, whites are a minority. See my other rants for explanation. Basically, "White" is lazy slang for ">3000 disparate tribes, religions and cultures which eventually aggregated over the last 300 years to form EuRoPe"

WE WUZ VIKINGS N SHIET - Imgur

 

 
Oct 5, 2020 - 12:04pm

Seriously?  You're equating the fact that a relative handful of people may have been profiled on the basis of their religion or ethnicity with the fact that tens of millions of black people were legally second class citizens (or property) for most of this country's history, and still are informally treated that way?

Anecdotal experience is no substitute for broader statistical evidence.  I don't agree with the existence of Guantanamo Bay, or torture as a method of information extraction, at all, but it's absurd to think of that as an equivalent to centuries of state-sponsored discrimination of blacks (and to a lesser extent people of latino descent).

And nice little dig at real estate!  Love it

 
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Sep 29, 2020 - 9:30pm
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