Are Asian Men the Most Oppressed People In America?

This is coming from a white male btw. Have read a lot recently about the systemic discrimination Asians face in high school and college acceptance. Notable examples include the Pending Harvard Law Suit and Thomas Jefferson Institute of Technology admission scandal. I do not understand why Asians are handicapped in the admission process and put down for their academic achievement. They never benefited from "white privilege" and in fact faced quite a lot of racism: Japanese Internment Camps and recent racially motivated attacks against Asians in the bay area. Curious to hear others' perspectives and have a discussion.

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Oct 13, 2021 - 8:49pm

Maybe, but the great thing about the Asians is that we choose to work hard instead of complaining about our circumstances. This country rewards smart, industrious people for now. We will be fine.

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  • Analyst 1 in IB-M&A
Oct 13, 2021 - 9:04pm

Hahaha, I knew I'd see this comment. Honestly the "model minority" is quite harmful, and if anything, and don't group all Asians as hardworking (definitely not as hardworking as you ;) ). There are plenty of lazy Asians...it sounds like you just like to push that idea to place ourselves above other minorities. And yeah I'm Asian.  

Oct 13, 2021 - 10:49pm

Lmao stfu. Asians are doing particularly well in America because they, in general, work hard and value education. Of course there are exceptions. Some Asians are lazy. Some don't earn well. But that isn't true in aggregate. Sounds like you just like to push this idea to make excuses for underachieving minorities.

Oct 13, 2021 - 11:40pm

I'm Asian-American (brown) but I never understood how dismissing the cultural reasons behind Asian-American success as a "model minority myth" (whatever that means) made sense. Unless we're saying that Asians are inherently smarter or that there's sampling bias (meaning Asians who come to America perform better than Asians in their own country), I'm pretty sure Asian culture is what produces superior outcomes, in terms of household income, test scores, representation in universities, low drug use, low single parenthood, etc. There are studies out there that show that the ancestral/racial groups that are most conservative with their spending are Asian ones. There's studies that show that a dollar that goes into an Asian American community will stay there longer than a dollar that goes to black or white American hands. Personally, I always overestimated the frugality of the average American. There are plenty of stories of Asians who came to American ghettos with no meaningful wealth or social capital and observed existing business owners before starting their own businesses and succeeding to create generational wealth (read about Kyung T. Sohn's story). This particular type of story is more common than you think.

I'm not gonna conjecture and say that those extreme individuals are the norm. Yes there are many Asians who are lazy and low ambition (many of them I grew up with), but I'm damn sure that the values passed on from Asian parents and resulting behaviors are what result in, on average, higher work ethic and superior outcomes. Even those lazy, druggie Asians I grew up with are doing significantly better academically rn in college compared to analagous individuals in black and white communities. If anything, dismissing it as "model minority" is harmful because it prevents us from having a conversation about how Asian-American cultures/behaviors can be replicated in lagging groups, which can still be done even if you think it's "immigrant bias" or "brain drain" that's responsible for Asian-American outcomes.

Also if interested, it's worth watching this video (it's about Asian-American hate, but there's also some great explanations about why these groups tend to succeed more than others):

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Oct 14, 2021 - 10:53am

Honestly the "model minority" is quite harmful

I never understood this, don't you want to be perceived as hard working? In our superficial society, being perceived to have good qualities can help you. This seems to be a similar thing with Vogue or whatever showing extremely overweight models and calling them "healthy". I would also think that if you don't want people to perceive you as having good qualities (not craving or needing it, but just trying to see good in people), it's that you're somewhat insecure in your abilities and want to put yourself down.

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Oct 14, 2021 - 7:14am

iercurenc

Maybe, but the great thing about the Asians is that we chose to work hard instead of complaining about our circumstances. This country rewards smart, industrious people for now. We will be fine.

I agree with the working hard part but the complaining thing is sometimes the opposite of what is true on WSO and elsewhere.  Asians complain quite a bit about affirmative action here and in lawsuits.  I am not saying that their claims are without basis, though.  If you want to base acceptance rates in school and hiring solely on academic scores, the argument is solid but scores are not the only criteria that schools and companies use.  Applicants do not get to set the criteria for getting hired or being accepted into a school. 

A couple of weeks ago, an Asian male created a topic, venting about how some blond girl got the internship that he deserved.  Apparently, his criteria for getting the job was different from that of the employer.   

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Oct 14, 2021 - 11:29am

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iercurenc

Maybe, but the great thing about the Asians is that we chose to work hard instead of complaining about our circumstances. This country rewards smart, industrious people for now. We will be fine.

I agree with the working hard part but the complaining thing is sometimes the opposite of what is true on WSO and elsewhere.  Asians complain quite a bit about affirmative action here and in lawsuits.  I am not saying that their claims are without basis, though.  If you want to base acceptance rates in school and hiring solely on academic scores, the argument is solid but scores are not the only criteria that schools and companies use.  Applicants do not get to set the criteria for getting hired or being accepted into a school. 

A couple of weeks ago, an Asian male created a topic, venting about how some blond girl got the internship that he deserved.  Apparently, his criteria for getting the job was different from that of the employer.   

This sort of argument opens the door wide open for de facto discrimination. If I'm at a firm and only want to hire white people (including those less capable than people of color) I can make some ambiguous metric (call it "fit") and toss out people who don't fit my definition of fit without any repercussions. That is why it is important to have objective qualifications for college admissions or jobs. 

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  • Analyst 1 in IB - Gen
Oct 13, 2021 - 8:52pm

Yes but they continue to vote Democrat at high rates and align themselves with the virtue signaling woke left so I don't feel bad for them.  

  • Associate 1 in ER
Oct 13, 2021 - 8:58pm

Yes but they continue to vote Democrat at high rates and align themselves with the virtue signaling woke left so I don't feel bad for them.  

Spotted the angry white male incel 

  • Analyst 1 in IB - Gen
Oct 13, 2021 - 9:04pm

Asian vote Democrat at nearly 70% levels.  Democrats are the only party pushing for affirmative action that us frankly racist towards Asians.

Now I'm supposed to feel sympathy for them?  You voted for it, now go lie down in the bed you made.

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  • Associate 1 in ER
Oct 13, 2021 - 9:32pm

Asian vote Democrat at nearly 70% levels.  Democrats are the only party pushing for affirmative action that us frankly racist towards Asians.

Now I'm supposed to feel sympathy for them?  You voted for it, now go lie down in the bed you made.

Yup.. angry white male incel confirmed 

  • Intern in PE - LBOs
Oct 14, 2021 - 2:03am

Dude. I'm Asian and I vote Dem. I go to HYPS. Even if I didn't, I would still vote dem. There are 1000 issues in America and while I don't agree with Dems on some socially-progressive stuff like LGBTQ-mega-support, Affirmative Action, Abortion, etc, these are so minor and irrelevant that I really don't care. If being discriminated against in the college application process is the biggest problem in your life, you haven't had a very difficult life. 

I 100% believe affirmative action is unfair. If I could change it, I would in a heartbeat. Make it socioeconomic. However, I think that there are much more pressing issues in the world.

In terms of abortion, I am anti-abortion. I think a WSO poster on here put it best when he said that both sides (politicians) don't actually give a shit about the issue; they just use it to rile up their base. However, pretty much every study shows that best way to reduce abortions is to put in place progressive birth control programs, sex ed, etc, which dems tend to support more than conservatives. Making abortions illegal just means that more women will get hurt getting them illegally. I would challenge people on here to question whether they feel better about themselves for making it illegal even if it isn't really driving down abortion rates or if they would feel better about themselves if the rate of abortions, illegal and legal, actually decreased.

https://ihpi.umich.edu/news/access-birth-control-through-aca-drives-dow…

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/langlo/article/PIIS2214-109X(20)3031…

Oct 14, 2021 - 11:44am

Asian vote Democrat at nearly 70% levels.  Democrats are the only party pushing for affirmative action that us frankly racist towards Asians.

This % incorporates first-gen immigrants who are much more likely to lean Republican than those actually born here (and who are the ones affected by AA).

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/binded-blood-split-over-elec…

Unable to find a source that properly quantifies this but it's probably above 80% in the second-gen group. 

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Oct 14, 2021 - 12:56pm

Looking at the birthrates of Asians, who is really the incel here?

"Work ethic, work ethic" - Vince Vaughn

Oct 13, 2021 - 8:55pm

Based on publicly available government statistics, Asian Americans have the lowest chance of rising to management when compared with African AmericansHispanics and women in spite of having the highest educational attainment.

There is a persistent stereotype that Asians are technically strong but not good leaders, and this has been shown to lead to them losing out on promotions.  But the whole 'oppression Olympics', i.e. trying to compare who had it worse is a load of BS.  Obviously each group has their own challenges so it's hard to compare this to what others face.

Oct 14, 2021 - 2:44am

I am not from the US, does anyone could tell me if 15 years ago everything was about race too? I have followed american forums/blogs for a few years and I would guess that this is a recent event. On my country, I entered university almost 15 years ago and no one, literally no one, talked about race/gender nowdays these seem like the most discussed topic. 

I used to vote left(not anymore unfortunately) so as an old school leftist I would say that the most oppressed people in america are the botton 10% of the US income distribution (around 10 thousand dollar a year and negative wealth).

Oct 14, 2021 - 1:00pm

American elites are the retards pushing this shit, not average Americans.

"Work ethic, work ethic" - Vince Vaughn

  • Associate 2 in RE - Res
Oct 14, 2021 - 6:56am

No, it's not your imagination. Things were actually different 15 years ago. The current race mania started in the early 2010s. And the change was generated by a specific subset of Democratic coalition: basically, the people who shop at Whole Foods. Affluent urban and inner-suburban college-educated progressives.

This article is a great quantitative analysis of the US media's coverage of race. Look at all of the graphs that track the use of words like "racism" in prominent newspapers, and the differences in polling results between the mid-2000s and the mid-2010s. There's a really sharp inflection point around 2011 or 2012.

A lot of progressives now blame Trump and his MAGA followers for radicalizing the country. But the data shows that the trend well predates Trump, and that it's been generated internally by the left. The racial views of the Whole Foods class have changed much more dramatically than the views of Republicans.

  • Associate 1 in ER
Oct 14, 2021 - 2:11pm

No, it's not your imagination. Things were actually different 15 years ago. The current race mania started in the early 2010s. And the change was generated by a specific subset of Democratic coalition: basically, the people who shop at Whole Foods. Affluent urban and inner-suburban college-educated progressives.

This article is a great quantitative analysis of the US media's coverage of race. Look at all of the graphs that track the use of words like "racism" in prominent newspapers, and the differences in polling results between the mid-2000s and the mid-2010s. There's a really sharp inflection point around 2011 or 2012.

A lot of progressives now blame Trump and his MAGA followers for radicalizing the country. But the data shows that the trend well predates Trump, and that it's been generated internally by the left. The racial views of the Whole Foods class have changed much more dramatically than the views of Republicans.

You guys are retarded and sheltered.

the race hate started right when the black guy became president. Stop lying to yourselves. He was a Kenya-born Muslim, remember?

Oct 14, 2021 - 3:38am

As an Asian American(woman, if that makes a big difference) I think it's weird when Asians basically leave it up to white Americans to give over some of their power to us(giving up power is against anyone's interest)... instead of taking the matter into our own hands. The US is a country(notice I said country, not land) founded by whites, why would they want to hand it over or even 'share' it? Many European immigrants(Italians, Eastern Europeans, Irish, etc) weren't even considered 'proper white' 50 years ago and were discriminated against by Americans of English, Scottish, Dutch descent. I don't care about racial solidarity or anything like that, the only thing I want is getting what I want from life and making sure I raise my future kids(who'll be at least half Asian regardless of who I marry) to be competent enough to get what they want from life(and not moan about things)

Oct 14, 2021 - 12:59pm

Quite. Why should we hand it over or even share it? No other country would be expected to do that. Imagine China having affirmative action for white people.

"Work ethic, work ethic" - Vince Vaughn

Oct 14, 2021 - 3:44pm

China has affirmative action for its ethnic minorities, and the one-child policy never went into effect for them.  They went haywire and started putting Uyghurs in camps and sterilizing them but they aren't the only minority group in China and this is a relatively recent development.

Oct 14, 2021 - 1:51pm

 The US is a country(notice I said country, not land) founded by whites, why would they want to hand it over or even 'share' it? Many European immigrants(Italians, Eastern Europeans, Irish, etc) weren't even considered 'proper white' 50 years ago and were discriminated against by Americans of English, Scottish, Dutch descent. I don't care about racial solidarity or anything like that, the only thing I want is getting what I want from life and making sure I raise my future kids(who'll be at least half Asian regardless of who I marry) to be competent enough to get what they want from life(and not moan about things)

This is also why I don't respect Orientals.  They tow the line to the white man and fawn over white girls even average looking ones. They claim to be proud to serve in the white forces . They aspire to have names like David or Michael or Peter. Yet they still get treated like dirt with the incessant stereotypes about their sexual organs being inadequate or not being wanted in the dating department.

Asian men don't have a spine. How can you respect a man who doesn't stand up for himself. Characterless and devoid of spirit.  A most detestable lot.

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Oct 14, 2021 - 8:51am

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  • Analyst 2 in IB - Gen
Oct 14, 2021 - 9:53am

Asians are the only over-represented minority group in professional services, and their over represented by about 2x if you wanna talk higher finance specifically. There's several public and private publications that support this. That's both a good and bad thing, depending on who's asking the question.

Oct 14, 2021 - 12:51pm

i still think that relative to their % of the population, caucasians are still the most overrepresented in high finance, especially buy side, but asians are definitely overrepresented a lot more than the hispanics or even worse, the blacks

in fact i think i've personally met 2 blacks/hispanics in high finance outside of the entertainment/spac/vc "hype men" who are there solely to bring their celebrity influence to pump a spac

Oct 14, 2021 - 10:06am

Nobody is oppressed in America. America provides people with the highest ability for socioeconomic mobility of any country in the world and is in the top decile in the world for standard of living (could be argued it is easily the highest standard of living, based on what outcomes are important to you personally). Everyone wants to play the victim card in the 21st century, but the truth is things have never been better for humanity in all of human history, and those fortunate enough to be living in the US during this time are the luckiest 0.0001% since the dawn of civilization. 

Oct 14, 2021 - 1:41pm

Historically not true. Black criminality has to do with their lack of owning land or family assets which could finance education or whatnot.

White Americans have stripped the Natives and Blacks of assets crucial as time immemorial as land that has controlled who is a victor and here they are pontificating about the virtues of the glorious America.

Black landlessness has done more to them being skewed and underprivileged in the socioeconomic ladder than any single thing in US history.

Yours is true in a recent context but false historically.

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Oct 14, 2021 - 1:46pm

oligarch

Historically not true. Black criminality has to do with their lack of owning land or family assets which could finance education or whatnot.

White Americans have stripped the Natives and Blacks of assets crucial as time immemorial as land that has controlled who is a victor and here they are pontificating about the virtues of the glorious America.

Black landlessness has done more to them being skewed and underprivileged in the socioeconomic ladder than any single thing in US history.

Yours is true in a recent context but false historically.

Who cares about historically? I'm not talking about US standards of living in 1850. I'm talking about today.

  • Analyst 2 in IB - Gen
Oct 14, 2021 - 7:42pm

You're ignorance likely stems from thinking that oppression has to be clear as night and day. If your grandparents assets were stolen from you and you were forced to start from ground 0 while everyone else is 100 steps ahead of you, and the government just let it happen, then those descendants are oppressed. If your grandparents were denied the right to advance themselves with a decent education while others were allowed to obtain an education, get well paying jobs, and ultimately provide well for their descendants to continue to go down that road of whatever you define as  "success", then you're still oppressed. All great empires came from wealth building. Blacks, Native Americans, and several international countries that were pillaged for natural resources by the US, UK and others can all blame their current situations on the governments of those countries. In TX right now, women are being oppressed. If a young girl gets pregnant, fuck if she even gets raped, she can't seek an abortion within the state, unless the term is under 6 weeks (no one knows their pregnant at 6 weeks). You know who's affected by that? Poor women who don't have the financial resources to travel out of state for an abortion.

Is the answer reparations to every foreign country and every minority citizen that was affected? Who knows... But to think that the US as a nation is innocent in oppressing people, you're just totally clueless.

Oct 14, 2021 - 7:42pm

Cry me a river. My grandparents were not only oppressed (as Jews who had to survive the Holocaust), they are also first-generation immigrants along with myself and my parents. Nobody in my family ever considered themselves "oppressed" and we're (myself and my parents, separately) are in the top 1% of net worth, my dad having started from menial low-skill, low-wage labor when he got here. The self-pity and victimization mentality will only beget continued failure and further self-pity and victimization. The bottom line is everyone has exposure to resources to become successful in the US in 2021. You only have to want success. Once again, cry me a fucking river. 

Oct 14, 2021 - 11:07am

Asian people have some of the highest incomes in the US and tend to be over qualified for most colleges with crazy SAT scores and ECs. It sucks if some are being passed over at ivys just bc places like Harvard are afraid to have 70% of their population be Asian (if it was 100% meritocracy), but still are you really super oppressed if you can still go to the next best top 10 college and end up with 100k+ salary? Lots of groups get the shit end of the stick but I can't see how Asians are somehow doing worse than Black/Hispanic/Native people.

Oct 14, 2021 - 11:46am

wittyusrnm

Asian people have some of the highest incomes in the US and tend to be over qualified for most colleges with crazy SAT scores and ECs. It sucks if some are being passed over at ivys just bc places like Harvard are afraid to have 70% of their population be Asian (if it was 100% meritocracy), but still are you really super oppressed if you can still go to the next best top 10 college and end up with 100k+ salary? Lots of groups get the shit end of the stick but I can't see how Asians are somehow doing worse than Black/Hispanic/Native people.

I agree.  I don't think oppressed is the correct adjective to use for this topic.  It is just a different version of the typical anti AA post in WSO.

Oct 14, 2021 - 4:42pm

Yes sure, everyone knows about the countless cases of innocent asian men women and children killed by law enforcement forces in every type of situation that didn't need to involve the use of force... Btw I didn't know that real racism against a people could be defined in less than a line by two ( of course sad and unfair) incidents as "concentration camps for Japanese people and several violent attacks in the bay area recently" it takes to be a real delusional idiot to pose such a question. I don't mean to be rude but the thing is that racism is real and there are too many families broken by its consequences apart of the history of social engineering through racist policies of course. Btw when saying "we choose to work hard instead of complaining" that pretentious idiot should think before on how much every racial group in usa has benefited from the fight for equality initiated by African American citizens that has been diluted to benefit every one else instead of African Americans , and how there's a whole history of hard working African Americans that simply weren't being given the opportunities to advance and when they did it they were lynched or masacrated. Everyone want to be oppresed but you see those very same "minorities" killing and abusing African Americans in plenty of racist incidents, as the asian teenager that together with other racists burnt the house of a Senegalese family killing fiive people.There's literally no space enough to list the history of attrocities commited against the African American people on US soil and you guys want to talk about the asian men being "the most oppresed people in us" who comes next the country club guys being an "oppresed minority"??? Breonna Taylor, Quawan Charles, George Floyd ( murdered with the particiption of an asian officer) , Latasha Harlins ( killed by a Korean woman who accused her of stealing a bottle of juice when she had the money in her hand to pay for it), Trayvon Martin and too many cases more say otherwise, please take your delusional "most oppresed" awards somewhere else idiot, you look the type of dude to pay for the bail of kkkyle rythenhouse or bidding for the gun of george zimmerman... It's not so hard not to be a complete piece of shit, you should try sometime

Oct 14, 2021 - 5:29pm

Who cares they eat dogs. You don't see dogs getting forum posts about being oppressed in Asia. Who eats dogs ? They're so human like. You have to be a soulless robot to eat a dog.

Freaking dog eaters.

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