The recent Apollo post made me start thinking are middle eastern/Arab people diversity anywhere? Lots of talk about Asians and Hispanic/African but very few middle eastern people in the industry or am I wrong? Either way maybe get a discussion going whether certain firms view middle eastern category differently.
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They are not.
Asians / Indians are not considered diverse by firms just to clarify
Middle-Eastern people are not considered diverse, but they’re not really ‘white’ either when it comes to social circles. Unfortunately, the few middle eastern people that do end up in finance struggle at first to find some sort of social group, but they usually just adjust and end up fitting in somehow.
URM - Latino, Natives and Blacks. No one cares about other minority groups
Diversity definitions
White liberal definition: Black, Hispanic and Native Americans only. White people are all the same. Asians and Indians? Who cares? They might as well as be white people.
Rest of the world: More than 2 racial/ethnic groups.
I think you are correct in that "liberals" view groups who have received horrendous treatment as diversity groups. "liberals" do not put Asians and Indians in the diversity group because they have not had the same level of horrendous treatment and have a high standard of living in the US, and as a result, do not require much help.
What kind of rock you been living under to think that Asians have not had a difficult time in the USA. The Chinese literally had the only race-based immigration law slapped on them until the 1940s. The Japanese were shipped off the internment camps. The Koreans had to fight a war against rioters as late as 1992 because the police refused to protect them.
Most Asian Americans weren't allowed to become US citizens until 1952. All the successful ones you see came 80s and after.
Most non white anglo saxon protestant groups had a hard time in the US a long time ago. I made a comparison to other groups of people. It is pretty obvious that black people have had and continue to have a much more difficult time in the US than Asian/Indian people. Hence, why we have the black lives matter movement. Until about a few months ago, if you supported the BLM movement, you were basically a SJW. Now, people are finally realizing that black people still have a difficult time in the US. Baseball teams are taking a knee during the national anthem. This would have never happened a few months ago.
Today, on a relative basis there is very little Asian/Indian discrimination compared to what black people experience. For the most part, Asians/Indians are not struggling economically in the US, partly due to a very substantial emphasis on education, which I think is admirable. Academic achievement is highly correlated with financial achievement.
Why are we talking about Asian/Indian again Is everyone seeing middle easterners as Asian or no different than something like Indian? From what I’ve seen there are a very large number of Asian and Indian people in banking especially when considered to their population. I see very few middle eastern people at all in banking even compared to other minority groups is this self-selection or are their population that small?
No. Most of people you put in the oppressed group today never suffered that ''horrendous treatment''. People in the past did, but those people are completely unrelated to those in the present if not for one factor, skin colour.
Very much like the other side of the coin: many people you exclude from your diversity initiatives actually went through some hardship.
It is also noteworthy to mention that certain groups are not considered ''diverse'' and thus are excluded from ''diversity and inclusion'', which means it's the exact opposite of what sounds.
So what this is? It's simple, you guys go through dishonest elaborate excuses to justify racial discrimination. You are the racist. You've always been.
your point makes a lot of sense. don’t understand why the ms.
This is an incredibly racist and prejudiced comment - and exposes the ideology of modern day liberals
wut da fuq? no horrendous treatment? those railroads built thrmselves? tone def...
Middle eastern guy that just joined a BB. Nope, we are considered white by the government. There was supposed to be a vote for creating a new class for North Africa/Middle East but they didn’t do it. A poster above mentioned it being harder to find a social circle and 100% agree. I’m not Muslim but had very strict parents but kinda conformed to upper-middle class white friends (basically 90% of people in finance)
Forgot to mention, Goldman has Arab as its own category iirc
Middle Eastern/Arabs are bizzarely classified as white IDK why because by this logic, Somalians are white. lol
Uh, no. Somalia is in East Africa. The Middle East / Arabs hail from north of the Sahara Desert.
Ok Somalia is a bad eg. But I know for a fact that there are black Arabs in Saudi Arabia & Egypt (and probably in other Middle Eastern/ North African countries too) ie my friends from uni.
Last time I checked diversity as it pertains to banks and firms is also dependent on US Citizenship / Naturalization. Even if you consider Middle Eastern / Arab to be "diverse" based on the proximity to sub-Saharan African Nations (i.e. Egypt, Morocco, Tunisia), citizenship typically takes priority.
No we aren't. Some of us look like white people, others like latinos :)
First generation Arab-American here. I'm definitely white-passing. With any application, I listed myself as "other" and if asked, I've written/said that I am Arab. Never had any issues with banks/other companies fighting me on my ethnicity - they all believe Arabs are diversity candidates. Same with universities. The US is the only country that'll make you choose "white" when filling out your info on apps.
darker skinned middle eastern / arab people can easily check the african american box. i personally know many who do so. if you think about it most of north africa is arabic. egyptians are arabic yet are considered african american for example
Well, isn't that geographically correct? Those in Egypt, Morocco, Liberia, etc are still part of the African continent, so if they move to the US, aren't they technically African-American at that point?
No because "African-American" has a specific meaning and heritage to it. It's not based on simply being from some African country.
By that standard, this beautiful man is African-American?
technically he could claim to be african american and no one can refute that. that's why the whole diversity program and affirmative action bullshit is so stupid
Yes but if you are a GAY arab then you can claim diversity, so consider swinging over to the other side OP
Asians/Indians, and Whites have diversity initiatives. For Asians, it's called Hong Kong, Tokyo, or Singapore.
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It is interesting that Conservatives (particularly privileged ones) SUDDENLY want to empower Hmong refugees LOL, when the last time, they cared about them? c'mon why the facade? Just take the mask off and say AA hurts white male applicants, dont need to use Hmong refugees as a prop. And oh if you care so much about "empowering" all people regardless of the color of the skin, why dont you support a a higher minimum wage, access to affordable health care being a privilege than a right- medicare for all, medicare for all who want it, or even a public option/two tier system, tuition free community college, making four-year public colleges and universities tuition-free for all students whose family incomes are below a certain threshold, universal Pre K, strong public school system, increase in title I funding, criminal justice reform, electoral, judicial, bankruptcy reform, overturning citizens united, common sense measures to tackle climate change- rejoining Paris climate accord, ending fossil fuel subsidies, subsidizing clean energy, provide federal funding for carbon recapture, aggressive methane pollution limits for oil and gas operations, investments in high speed rail etc. These would empower peope from all walks of life, yes even if you are white. That poor white person that you cqre so much about will now be empowered and can live a better life.
If people think Asian Americans cannot see through the facade, they are mistaken, people of color are rightfully very suspicious especially if you suddenly want to be an ally only when you need something and when its convenient for you. Conservatives have awful support amongst Asian Americans (though the overall GOP platform could be one factor) and the trend lines are only getting worse. The GOP knows it and sees the writing on the wall, this is not exclusive to Asian Americans, same with Hispanics as well, otherwise Arizona (a solid red state where Truman was the last Democratic President to win with a majority) will not be a swing state. There was also a precipitous drop in support from Vietnamese-American voters, historically a base of Republican support among the Asian-American electorate. While 67% supported McCain, 54% supported Romney, Trump only won 32% of the Vietnamese-American vote. More than 80% of Indian Americans voted against the conservatives in 2016 and this number has been pretty consistent for over 2 decades. Korean-Americans, Cambodian-Americans were also above 80%. Only Chinese-American and Filipino-Americans were in the 70-75% range, lowest amonsgt Asian Americans along with Vietnamese Americans but still overwhelmingly votign against conservatives. https://www.npr.org/2017/04/18/524371847/trump-lost-more-of-the-asian-a…
Oh yes, now this is all the GOP's fault. Great. What did the Democrats do when all the borderline socialists and SJWs started policing this country with their ruthless and un-compromising agenda? Declaring everyone who doesn't agree with them a heartless asshole at best, but usually "Nazi" or a "Racist". DOUBLE STANDARD ALERT.
Democrats watched and did nothing while all the radical left MURDERED civil discourse in this country. You know what happened because of that? Rise of the Alt-right and all sorts of far-right racist groups. It's the so-called "progressives" who made everything about race. As a matter of fact, I'm the real progressive here because I want actual change that will be helpful. None of that equality of outcome BS.
WHAT A FUCKING HYPOCRITE YOU ARE.
You think it's just the GOP that's the problem? Look yourself in the mirror.
This is nothing but a farcical rant.
Since I mentioned Hmong people (among many other disadvantaged Asian American groups), I suppose this was directed to me.
I'm Asian Jackass.I support Negative Income/UBI in replacement for minimum wage. All the same benefits without the side effects. I support two-tier healthcare system with public and private options. I support school/curriculum choice, which is essentially government subsidized schooling. Sounds like it could be free right? I support criminal justice reform to become a rehabilitation system, rather than punitive system. I support efforts to fight climate change.
Stop with this ridiculous virtue signaling. You think you have a moral superiority? Do you think all Conservatives are the same?
Ridiculous. This entire rant shows how little you know about what being a "conservative" even means. Get outta here with this nonsense.
lol, I am Asian too :) and oh yeah I know what a conservative means,especially given that I am old enough to have have voted for a conservative president more than once in the past, and I would not mind a Romney, Hogan, or Baker as President, but today's GOP where they will be pariah's, yeah sure I really do not know what it means to be a conservative anymore :)
And do some soul searching on why 80% of Asian Americans voted against the conservatives in 2016 per the Asian American Legal Defense and Education Fund. Maybe you will be able to figure out some reasons. Step out of a bubble and maybe you even will find more than one reason.
“higher minimum wage, access to affordable health care being a privilege than a right- medicare for all, medicare for all who want it, or even a public option/two tier system, tuition free community college, making four-year public colleges and universities tuition-free for all students whose family incomes are below a certain threshold, universal Pre K, strong public school system, increase in title I funding, criminal justice reform, electoral, judicial, bankruptcy reform, overturning citizens united, common sense measures to tackle climate change- rejoining Paris climate accord, ending fossil fuel subsidies, subsidizing clean energy, provide federal funding for carbon recapture, aggressive methane pollution limits for oil and gas operations, investments in high speed rail etc”
Why stop here? We have to end apartheid for one. And slow down the nuclear arms race, stop terrorism and world hunger. We have to provide food and shelter for the homeless, and oppose racial discrimination and promote civil rights, while also promoting equal rights for women. We have to encourage a return to traditional moral values. Most importantly, we have to promote general social concern, and less materialism in young people.
But seriously, I think the only way for people realize how absurd it is to list a bunch of “good things” and assert that it’s just a matter of voting for the right party, is to have the Democratic Party in power at the federal level (again) and watch how none of this shit happens - 1) because at least 1/3 of this is stuff Democratic cities and states could do tomorrow and 2) is absurdly expensive.
Especially when a significant portion of the Democrats have become radicalized themselves. You know the type of people who want to turn this country into a SJW Fascist or a Socialist country that vilifies the rich (but party members with expensive yachts and summer houses are okay?).
Let me spin this around for you.
"And oh if you care so much about "empowering" all African-Americans and Hispanics, why don't you support negative income tax when minimum wage clearly weighs on the companies and caps the number of jobs? Why don't you acknowledge that good education is far more than just some standardized test score? Why don't you want people to choose where they can go to school? Why do you have to force everyone to go to the same school and learn the same things like mindless drones? Why don't you want to replace clearly harmful welfare programs with programs that actually incentivizes people to work? Why don't you support privatization of welfare programs like Social Security that clearly threatens the fiscal health of this country? IF you really cared about African-Americans, Hispanics, and equality, you should know better that many of your ideas will actually harm them and create a more unequal society."
Because they need large, relatively monolithic voting blocs to control. These progressives want to run the country but cannot even materially improve qualify of life for people in Bronx county (sandwiched between two of the most affluent and liberal areas in the country, Manhattan and westchester) after a decade of the largest tax receipts in NY history.
They have no actual plan or end point. They need a rich, white boogeyman to blame so they can gain political power. Actually the rich part is becoming optional - see their views on working class whites lol.
Wow, now you want to take away protections for workers. Why don't we eliminate the minimum wage and also eliminate safety regulations for corporate America. Let's try it...Oh wait, we did try it and that is why we have regulations. If companies are are not regulated, they would hire a lot of people and pay them almost nothing and have them work in unsafe conditions. Also, do you really think people like to be on welfare? I would think a very small percentage of the population wants to be unemployed and on welfare
I am not opposed to privatizing the retirement aspect social security, as I do not want the government holding onto my money.
Rejoining the Paris accord will empower poor people? Give me a break... At least try to be more intellectually honest...
Additionally, local and state governments have much more power in making decisions about many of the topics you have written about compared to the national government.
It doesn't take much time to look at cities like NYC and SF to see if progressive liberals are really "for the poor people" or not.
I agree with you. As you read the comments in this thread, you start to put together a mosaic with a conclusion that white males are not the only ones here who are voicing concerns about affirmative action and diversity. I suspect that the people who are anti affirmative action here are white males and Asians. I highly doubt the concern stems from empathy for Hmong people or poor white males. You are right, when they throw in the Hmong people and the poor whites, it is facade to make their gripe seem more reasonable. Many privileged white males and Asians are pissed off that they are getting rejected at elite schools or not getting the great job because the school or company wants to enhance it diversity. I think if a person is completely unqualified for a slot in a school or a particular job, he or she should not get it. With that said, if the candidates are similar, I think it is good idea to enhance the diversity.
On a side note, my white nephew was in the top 10 of his class at a large high school in New Jersey and had super high SATs but did not get into any target schools. He was disappointed but he moved on with his life and went to Rutgers. Until the pandemic hit, he was having the time of his life at Rutgers.
Yes, I totally did not go to a target school and not making 6 figures straight out of college.
World is that simple isn't it?
I think what amazes me about the majority in America is how well they are able to coordinate uncoordinated efforts to suppress any perceived threat. They don't host meetings, but they are all on the same wave length without ever communicating it explicitly. It's the dog whistles. Happened in the anti crime wave too.
OP - first issue here is most of the Arab Americans in the US are from the Levant, who aren’t particularly different looking than non-Arab Mediterranean people. (I would add that most Americans think of Arabs as looking like something out of Aladdin, which is of course ridiculous).
Second issue is that even if you insist Arabs are a separate race or ethnicity from white, the “U” part of URM probably doesn’t apply for college admissions or corporate employment. I think Lebanese Americans are among the wealthiest groups in the US.
Third issue is other “similar” groups like Jews, Turks, and Persians would also need to be considered as separate groups as well, which may not be a showstopper but still adds resistance.
Not statistically poor enough unfortunately
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