Are most deals done where LP is paid back in full + their promote before the GP takes any promote?

Of course the GP would be taking their say 1% annual management fee, but aside from that, do they generally not get paid until LP has been made whole including preferred?

 
Most Helpful

Depends on how the deal is structured. In some deals both the LP and GP equity is returned pari passu, other times it's returned only to the LP until a certain hurdle rate is hit, and then the GP is entitled to a clawback.

I recommend reading up on waterfall structures. There's a lot of great information out there on this topic.

 

regarding the question -- the annoying and yet obvious answer is that it depends. A deal can be structured however the hell anyone wants and can be as ridiculous as it wants long as someone else is willing to agree and partner to it.

But "market" is typically as follows: I.) preferred rate of return, oftentimes pari passu, and compounded monthly. Recently the compounding has been negotiated and sometimes done away with. II.) return of equity -- again pari passu. Now again, deal by deal is different. Most often it doesnt matter where the money comes from, if it is an available proceed after all accrued and unpaid pref is paid down...it can go to repaying equity. Othertimes, term sheets specifically have two waterfalls - 1 for operating cash flow, another for a sale/capital event. Not uncommon for the return of equity hurdle to only be applied during a capital event. If so, meaning that if there if sufficient operating cash flow to return equity...it would skip that hurdle and go directly to the splits... III.) Splits aka promoting. enter your hurdle and appropriate split herein...but essentially this is where the developer starts to make their promote. Not sure what you meant by the LP promoting too? Always the internal rate of return aka hurdle rate will be based on the ivnestor/GPs equity contribution.

 

I understand if you are talking pari passu of return of capital between what the GP and LP invested.

But for simplicity sake let's just talk about the GP's promote. So let's say GP invests 0 in the deal. Does the LP ordinarily get 100% of their investment, plus preferred back to them, before the GP gets any promote? Or do you ever see deals where GP gets a portion of promote before all the LP investment is returned (or investment returned AND preferred paid up)?

 

Rerum molestiae iusto necessitatibus est. Ut nemo asperiores accusantium autem corrupti reprehenderit rerum aut. Amet illum accusantium aut nesciunt.

Career Advancement Opportunities

April 2024 Investment Banking

  • Jefferies & Company 02 99.4%
  • Goldman Sachs 19 98.8%
  • Harris Williams & Co. New 98.3%
  • Lazard Freres 02 97.7%
  • JPMorgan Chase 03 97.1%

Overall Employee Satisfaction

April 2024 Investment Banking

  • Harris Williams & Co. 18 99.4%
  • JPMorgan Chase 10 98.8%
  • Lazard Freres 05 98.3%
  • Morgan Stanley 07 97.7%
  • William Blair 03 97.1%

Professional Growth Opportunities

April 2024 Investment Banking

  • Lazard Freres 01 99.4%
  • Jefferies & Company 02 98.8%
  • Goldman Sachs 17 98.3%
  • Moelis & Company 07 97.7%
  • JPMorgan Chase 05 97.1%

Total Avg Compensation

April 2024 Investment Banking

  • Director/MD (5) $648
  • Vice President (19) $385
  • Associates (86) $261
  • 3rd+ Year Analyst (14) $181
  • Intern/Summer Associate (33) $170
  • 2nd Year Analyst (66) $168
  • 1st Year Analyst (205) $159
  • Intern/Summer Analyst (145) $101
notes
16 IB Interviews Notes

“... there’s no excuse to not take advantage of the resources out there available to you. Best value for your $ are the...”

Leaderboard

1
redever's picture
redever
99.2
2
Betsy Massar's picture
Betsy Massar
99.0
3
BankonBanking's picture
BankonBanking
99.0
4
Secyh62's picture
Secyh62
99.0
5
dosk17's picture
dosk17
98.9
6
GameTheory's picture
GameTheory
98.9
7
CompBanker's picture
CompBanker
98.9
8
kanon's picture
kanon
98.9
9
bolo up's picture
bolo up
98.8
10
Jamoldo's picture
Jamoldo
98.8
success
From 10 rejections to 1 dream investment banking internship

“... I believe it was the single biggest reason why I ended up with an offer...”