Are we moving towards a dramatic ending?

There's literally a new, more dramatic Trump story coming out everyday. I know there's a lot of 'fake news' out there. But everyone is reporting a different dramatic story from Breitbart (Democrats invoke Amendment 25) to FiveThirtyEight (Is Trump messing with Government data), and of course to CNN (Psychiatrists fight over ethics of diagnosing Trump) making it all very hard to follow.

Trump's administration is intensifying, and so are his critics, from republican constituents to members of his own cabinet (see Tillerson and Kelly refusing to defend Trump statements/policy). Let's discuss your views on how this has been shaping up in these first 30 days or so, and where do you think this will be in even just one year, or do you think it will make 4 years or even a second term?

For starters, Bannon and Pence don't seem to have a lot in common and most of Washington is uncomfortable with Bannon's power and Trump's lack of regard with his Tweets and statements. This is potential for mutiny (or some takeover attempt). See Mike Pence's speech at CPAC rallying up the crowd with the Bible.

 

I think Trump will at some point either get impeached, step down, or be removed due to something health related. Mike Pence will take the seat, and GOP will continue to regress on policies and pander to their heartland true believers. Democrats will win a landslide victory in the 2020 elections, and hopefully the failed Trump experiment will be a warning to future generations.

edit: Keep slinging shit. You know, I know, almost everyone knows that Trump is a man without any long-term plan. He's a populist reactionist at the moment, and will continue to say whatever his hardcore followers want to hear. He's a compulsive and habitual liar for crying out loud!

 

Trump is not doing well, particularly because of his lack of experience and his less than stellar understanding of how Washington and legislation works. TBH, if we got rid of the alt-right Steve Bannon, I'd be happy with the Republican party. Pence stepping in, wouldn't be bad, because he seems like a decent politician, using the Bible to rally up the crowd.

You're clearly on the left, which is cool, but it's your attitude that is poisonous, because it's not ok to condescend to people that have different views than yours. The GOP is not 'regressive', because even Reagan shifted on tax cuts towards the end of his term, for example. It's a matter of getting the right balance in place, and there are times when conservatives get it right, as much as there are times when liberals get it wrong.

 

I'm actually a centrist. My problem with Trump is that he's absolutely unable to be honest. He's unable to apologize, to anyone. The man is either a narcissist, or he's simply lived his whole life without ever getting a "No", surrounded by yes-men. As for the GOP, they're clearly regressive on social policies. When you're pandering to the bible belt, it's difficult to be progressive on issues like abortion, and many other things.

It's of course not all his followers, but when you listen to interviews with some of his followers at the rallies, and they say things like "No Trump is never on Vacation, he's always wearing a suit! People who wear suits are not on vacation", or "No, it's impossible that Trump security has cost more than Obama. I don't believe it", you know it's useless to argue.

 

That isn't an argument, take a few quotes from a news cast where they likely interviewed a hundred people looking for one rube. If that is how data is taken then we can say that all black people are complete morons because shortly after the 2008 election there was a black lady in front of me at the grocery store and she paid in cash and the cashier needed to get some additional one dollar bills to make change so she went to the back room to get another bundle of ones. The black lady started shouting at the top of her lungs about how Obama was going to fix this injustice about black people having to wait for their change longer than white people. Yep, all black people are morons because of that one lady.

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One, the Bible belt is not as radical as you all want to believe, at least not in my opinion. People on the left are the ones rioting and resorting to violence, even if it's directed to someone they supposed are in support of. All the Bible folks want is to be left alone and to practice their beliefs without interruption or undue burdens.

Two, there are moderate solutions to social issues like abortion that can be had if the country was more moderate to begin with. But lefties are too radical and in turn, there is the Bernie movement and the alt-right movement becoming mainstream, which isn't going anywhere.

Three, I am not sure why everyone wants every social issue to become federal law. The federal branches of government are supposed to lead on matters in national security and commerce issues appropriated to it by the Constitution. It's states rights to decide on issues regarding the particulars of domestic public welfare. Liberal judge on SCOTUS are turning the constitution into their own belief tool, trying to take away states' rights, and it's unbelievable. Like, telling religious groups what to believe and how to act on their faith on issues like abortion or gay marriage is crazy. That's effectively taking away the rights of religious people to practice their faith, despite it's their constitutional right.

 
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One, the Bible belt is not as radical as you all want to believe, at least not in my opinion. People on the left are the ones rioting and resorting to violence, even if it's directed to someone they supposed are in support of. All the Bible folks want is to be left alone and to practice their beliefs without interruption or undue burdens.p>

This. I used to lean Democrat because I saw the Right as authoritarian (which I'm not denying Trump is) and bigoted. But then came OWS, the rise of socialism, larger government-- then Libs started rioting, destroying other's property ("Hey this is INJUSTICE, let's take it out on a walgreen's! That'll show em!"), silencing anyone that knew what bathroom they wanted to use, and perpetuating censorship and calling others who disagreed as bigots, deplorables and un-American. And many still have the audacity to cry Tyranny from the right after all that. The amount of hypocrisy is truly a spectacle to watch.
 

Dude, the religious right wants to impose the tenets of their religion upon every single citizen in this country and your argument is that we are taking away their rights to practice their religion? Wtf are you talking about. Gay marriage does not mean your favorite religious right pastor has to hold a gay marriage service in their church. Allowing abortions does not mean any religious individual that is pro-life will be forced to abort their kid. This is a dumb argument. Nobody from the religious right has been personally harmed by Roe v. Wade or gay marriage. On the other hand, if they (the religious right) had their way, gay people would be forced to live under their rules and women who are in no way religious wouldn't be able to get an abortion because, again, it is against the religious right's views.

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Doubtful, democrats are actively eschewing their traditional working class base for a corporate cash grab. If 2010, 2012, 2014 and 2016 weren't enough of a wake up then they are completely fucked. The race to the bottom of the progressive stack will be their undoing for at minimum of a decade.

Follow the shit your fellow monkeys say @shitWSOsays Life is hard, it's even harder when you're stupid - John Wayne
 

Republicans need to wisen up. Populism is Republicans + blue collar democrats. This is the polling future. Democrats are allowing themselves to be the party of subversion, propaganda and lying news and frankly, the enemy of all that this country is founded on.

 

No, Washington is uncomfortable with Trump because he isn't the status quo. People panic when things suddenly change away from their status quo.

Follow the shit your fellow monkeys say @shitWSOsays Life is hard, it's even harder when you're stupid - John Wayne
 

Yeah that's definitely 100% of the reason why people are uncomfortable with Trump. It's not that he sounds borderline insane and incredibly narcissistic and is implementing absurdly alt right policies and flirting with Russia, it's that he's too eager to drain the establishment swamp and get rid of all that corruption.

 

Think what you like, however it has little to do with anything other than he isn't like everyone else there. Why he isn't like the others can come from a host of different reasons. But, deep down ironically its a fear of the other.

Follow the shit your fellow monkeys say @shitWSOsays Life is hard, it's even harder when you're stupid - John Wayne
 

You're right. Cutting corporate taxes, enforcing the immigration laws On our books, increasing defense spending and trying to bring back American jobs are mad alt right.

Only thing fucked up right now are democrats who've gone McCarthy era paranoid with Russia.

Mid terms are coming and his clown Russia fetish Dems have is going to come back to bite them.

 

No matter what you think of Trump it is pretty clear the Rex Tillerson/ General Mattis/ Gary Cohn types are at odds with the Steve Bannon/ Stephen Miller/ and, until he resigned, Mike Flynn types in the administration. I don't think anyone who follows politics and reads statements from these individuals can deny that. Which faction wins that power struggle will decide how successful Trump will be at governing (rooting for ya Rex). The Russia story and Trump's relationship with intelligence agencies (they work in facts and it's evident that Trump wants them to manipulate the facts in favor of his policies, they simply won't do this) are likely the biggest issues of his young administration. We'll see how it all plays out.

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Trump's relationship with intelligence agencies (they work in facts and it's evident that Trump wants them to manipulate the facts in favor of his policies, they simply won't do this) are likely the biggest issues of his young administration. We'll see how it all plays out.

Wow, this is so far from the truth that the comment itself literally boggles my mind...

The intelligence community is highly political and more politicized today than it's ever been. The FBI leak that took down Mattis was a felony, and I can tell you from what I've been told the leakers are being actively pursued for prosecution. Regardless of their "facts," the U.S. intelligence community operates in facts, lies, and disinformation and misinformation, even with the public and even with Congress.

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you mean that took down Flynn. I'm sure they're being actively pursued and ofc intelligence leaks are illegal, no one will deny that. No issue with a full and thorough independence of the leaks. Let's also equally demand a full and thorough investigation of Russia and their ties to the administration.

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If you think the intelligence agencies work in "facts" go sit in the fucking corner and never speak again.

1) WMDs in Iraq 2) Bay of Tonkin 3) Bay of Pigs 4) Operation Mockingbird 5) Iran Contra 6) Drug running to fund black book operations

Need I say more? Should I keep going?

Follow the shit your fellow monkeys say @shitWSOsays Life is hard, it's even harder when you're stupid - John Wayne
 

Intelligence agencies fuck up, no argument there. But what does that mean, what are you trying to say? Should we completely and totally abandon intelligence agencies? Are we to trust politicians now more than the FBI? Just wondering what you have to say on the subject.

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Trumps showing how much trash both parties are. The news is a joke and anyone investing any of the mainstream media sources is Just reading fiction. The fact that Obamacare isn't being repealed and replaced shows how worthless republicans are.

Deportations have been the same under Trump as in Obama, yet the news freaks out. Pathetic.

Republicans try and stop Obama and they are obstructionists. Democrats subvert the president and they are heros.

If anyone things people outside of liberal major metros see this shit as anything but a declaration of war they are joking.

 

Trump is a person. People lie. When the news, the place where people come to get informed, lies and misrepresents stories, it impacts us all.

Seriously, how can you not see this. The media has an obligation to report facts to the people, not lie and manipulate.

 

I wish Trump was more like Obama and bush. Lie to people on the campaign trail, happily let companies go overseas, fucking working Americans, get elected on the backs of people and do nothing to help them. Engage in perpetual war, wounding and killing scores of Americans and muslims. Focusing on the smaller minortiy of people at the detriment of the majority.

All the predictable and glorious behaviors of an established politician.

 

Part of the problem is the media. What else shapes your thoughts and minds? If you're being fed information to make you worry all of the time, why would anyone ever think anything different? Look at the post 9/11 era in media, they made everyone believe that if they weren't Patriotic, they were wrong. If you didn't support the reasons we went into Iraq/Afghanistan, you were un-Patriotic. (FREEDOM FRIES!!!) The media has a lot of influence over your lives and it doesn't surprise me they are trying to make you think Trump is the worst thing since Hitler.

Pardon me but as far as I'm concerned, I stopped listening to the "whining and complaining" media outlets in favor of reality. The illusion, as pointed out above, is that Trump is doing things that are unprecedented but in reality, his only downfall is he isn't a cloak and dagger politician but rather an obnoxious NYC dude. Hold him guilty for that? Go for it but I'm not worried about anything he's doing thus far.

The media is just stirring the pot with people who are used to ignoring what is going on in the world and were content with being lied to/manipulated by the government.

If you find yourself feeling lost, go climb a mountain.
 

The thing that's most comical is the irony in saying that media is influencing our brains to be paranoid, yet it's Trump fueling this narrative. The media apparently hates him so much, yet practically bankrolled his entire campaign until a few months before November. What the actual fuck are Trump supporters talking about. No one is being influenced or confused by Trump, we're being censored by Trump. Remember, Trump has said that federal judges have no power to impact poor legislation that is questionable under the Constitution. He doesn't think that it's the Court's job to decide whether the other branches of government are breaching the rights of citizens, thereby showing his lack of understanding for the basic democratic principle of checks and balances. And, I love when it gets painted that the media is simply obsessed with Trump. The media can't turn off and boycott Trump--they have to cover him or else that allows Trump the freedom and space to do whatever, because then the American public would be totally misinformed. Trump isn't the victim here, it's the American people.

 

Wow, there's a lot to unpack here.

iBankedUp:

The thing that's most comical is the irony in saying that media is influencing our brains to be paranoid, yet it's Trump fueling this narrative. The media apparently hates him so much, yet practically bankrolled his entire campaign until a few months before November.

The media is replete with people too stupid to realize that they fueled (were fueling) Trump's campaign. They collectively said to themselves--I know, I was one of Trump's chief detractors during the GOP primary--that he could never win (I said this), won't win (I said this), so don't worry about it and just focus on getting ratings (and Trump brought them record ratings). The fact that the media is too incompetent to understand the irony doesn't mean they don't hate him. If you follow Russia at all, you can see how the U.S. media is being used by Putin for Putin's own domestic politics; the domestic U.S. media that hates Putin is serving Putin's domestic political interests by painting Trump as Putin's lapdog. The anti-Trump/anti-Putin U.S. media are too wrapped up in their isolated bubble to understand how this works.
iBankedUp:
What the actual fuck are Trump supporters talking about. No one is being influenced or confused by Trump, we're being censored by Trump. Remember, Trump has said that federal judges have no power to impact poor legislation that is questionable under the Constitution. He doesn't think that it's the Court's job to decide whether the other branches of government are breaching the rights of citizens, thereby showing his lack of understanding for the basic democratic principle of checks and balances.
No, what you've stated is a bastardization of the argument that Trump--and most conservatives--make. There are 3 branches of government that check one another; what conservatives argue is that judges are not empowered with the authority to make new law from the bench or to make interpretations of existing law/existing Constitutional statutes that are contradictory to the law itself. When judges make up law or constitutional rights (or lack of rights) from the bench by invoking their personal opinions about public policy then there is actually no effective check on the court system. The court rules--no matter how poor the legal analysis is--and there's nothing that the executive or legislative branches can do about it; therefore, it's the argument that judges should only narrowly rule on the law, and refrain from commentary about public policy.
iBankedUp:
And, I love when it gets painted that the media is simply obsessed with Trump. The media can't turn off and boycott Trump--they have to cover him or else that allows Trump the freedom and space to do whatever, because then the American public would be totally misinformed. Trump isn't the victim here, it's the American people.

There's some truth to what you're saying, but come on--you cannot walk by CNN at the gym or airport without seeing a headline about Trump. Sometimes that headline is substantive but it often isn't. You've got the whole world out there and CNN, for example, is 24/7 Trump. Why? 1) They want ratings and Trump delivers; 2) they hate Trump so virtually every headline is negative. "But Trump deserves all the negative headlines! He's purely an evil figure!" That would be a pretty close-minded statement since you can go to conservative news sites and see all kinds of positive Trump headlines.

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The platform to have a rational political discussion is gone, this is because the media is race baiting everything, coming out with opinions and not reporting on anything factua and pushing agendas (you could say the media has always been like this, but not as serve) l. It's actually quite frustrating because even though I'm of the right I still think the left have some good policies (ie the environment and renewable) and I'm sure much of the left think the same of the right.

But now everyone is divided and everything is basically identity politics (hence why Milo has such a following). I follow US politics closely and I'm at point now were I don't know what to believe.

 

I used to absolutely love the political strategy. I'm absolutely sick of politics at this point. It's extreme bias on both ends and nothing informative is going on. I'd hope for a moderation, but I can't see either party trying to find a middle ground.

 

Sure the US has issues, sure China's on the rise, but trust me as an outsider who as a result of being on the outer has been observing the US for a while now - no place on earth has the culture for success as the US. Sorry China. Hope Americans can learn to be just a little more accommodating of each OTHER.

 

China is forcing itself to become a major player where as other countries have grown into it over time. It's akin to taking steroids in order to achieve muscle growth but not having learned the discipline of proper technique or dieting to really refine themselves. Their hollow market, empty cities, social/ecological problems, will all catch up with them eventually.

If you find yourself feeling lost, go climb a mountain.
 

The numbers have come out, Trump wants to increase military spending by 10% (despite the fact we spend more than the next 6 nations combined) while cutting spending from some social programs, the EPA, and the state department. Smfh.

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Interesting that more defense spending should come in a time where we are supposedly ending outward and international involvement. You'd think less immigration, less free trade, and less global democracy would mean we'd only need a very strong national police and border security. Not sure where exactly that is going. If he's cutting programs, that money should be saved, rather than reallocated to defense. Although, I detect hypocrisy.

The funny thing is, I've been reading up on Bannon's ideology in my spare time over the weekend. I see that a lot of Trump's so called 'intellectual' followers believe that American democracy began post-WWII and is a lie perpetuated by the establishment who were all educated at the same schools. That feels like something TNA would believe, in that American democracy = universalism and unending competitive progressivism, so that the system doesn't work and never has. The only way to securing our futures is abandoning democracy, reconstructing some authoritarian form of socialism/communism and then building up stronger walls to protect and keep out the savages.

 

Haven't seen the details, but it's probably centered on expanding the naval fleet, eventually to 355 ships (actually, I've heard some in the Navy say that we actually need 600+ ships to really be where we need to be). This will allow the U.S. to maintain its power and influence throughout the world without having to maintain a huge standing army. It also works as a deterrent to war when your naval fleet is so overwhelming and quickly deployed.

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