Avoid S&T at all costs
If you were an undergraduate of the class of 2016 and were interested in the markets, would you aim S&T, even wit hthe current changes in regulation and recruiting?Recruiting seems to be currently in shit especially for S&T (Citi S&T gave 120 superdays and is planning to hire 5??)
Do you think it'd be wiser to aim S&T in asia instead (ex. HK, Singapore)... I'm also guessing spots for role quantitative roles (derivatives) are less competitive? Need your opinions WSO, or I'm just gna go the typical ivy-> 2 year IBD -> PE/HF route..
Yeah I mean first and foremost go for the role that you think you would enjoy the most, IB and S&T are polar opposite in terms of lifestyle, people, work, etc. But all else aside it seems that S&T is experiencing a secular decline while banking is in more of a cyclical rut. At the very least I would avoid vanilla equity S&T since it is the most likely to be in decline.
OP, 2016 is an eternity away in this business (or most businesses for that matter). Figure out what you like first. There may not even be an Ivy-Top BB-PE-MBA-PE path in 4 years.
It is true that S&T hired fewer this summer than expected, but that doesn't mean that the opportunities aren't essentially endless if you do get in. Lower hiring is also more common in S&T because many programs are structured in a way where interns meet a desk or two - hopefully network with some more - and if they find a home at a desk by the end of the summer they're good. Otherwise they get cut
Talk with some MDs in the business. Be frank about your concerns and ask. It would be good networking opportunity too.
Sales will always be around, how can you get computers to do sales man? As for trading, yes it will be in decline should the banks give the go ahead with algorithmic.
From my limited industry experience (summer internship), networking, and preparation for interviews, I have learned that anything in FICC is the place to shoot for (although equity derivatives would be okay too). I'm personally shooting for FICC derivatives.
Nothing is worse off than 2008. 2008-2010 cleaned up most of the easy money and its gone. So you need to work harder nowadays, if you call that a decline and eventual death than be it, it is probably not for you. Recruiting has been cruddy for a long time and no magical boom is in sight, so if 5/120 scares you again it's not for you, but that is just the facts of the current state of the industry.
I would still aim for it. But it's a Sirius issue so I don't know...
If Obama wins the election and dodd-frank gets passed, credit will be one of the worst places to work. tread carefully..
Totally agree. Rates desks are getting hit hard by dodd-frank, as are a lot of commodity desks. I'd definitely stay away from swaps and other OTC products until we know what the regulatory environment is going to look like.
What would you recommend as the safest desk given the current market conditions?
I would recommend none of them, since "safe" and "S&T career" are not words you usually see together. As for Dodd-Frank, as much I would like to magically believe Romney winning could take us back to 2008 it is unrealistic and no major firm or bank is threading that way. Repealing Dodd-Frank may temporarily slow down certain things but the fact of the matter is more regulation/limits/etc is a long-term trend not a short-term impact. Look at all the major hedge fund guys leaving the game this year, you need re-learn the rules or step-aside.
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