Background check in IBD - is my buddy screwed??
A friend of mine is in a rough spot now. He put a fake BB internship on his resume that he claimed that he completed in Singapore after 2nd year of college. He got lucky and got an offer at a large bank IBD, and is he going to get screwed via background check? He mentioned that since this fake internship is from Singapore, his bank may not bother to check. Is there a possibility that he get away with this, or does he need to look for other jobs now?
Also, this shitty situation is not my situation for any who may ask. I didn't even receive an offer from IBD. (which really sucks)
Another thing - even if he did wrong thing by lying about his resume, I don't blame him very much. I've known way too many cheaters getting away just fine in many circumstances. I just know too many people who always cheat on finals exams, cheat on SAT, lie here and there on resume, lie about GPA when applying for jobs, etc.
At the same time - I kinda wish that my friend doesn't get this job. I know this sounds evil, but as someone who wanted to get IBD gig really bad this year and couldn't, I would be pretty pissed off if people with bull shit get away and score these IBD gigs..
If you really wish he doesn't get it, call the bank yourself and explain how you would be the perfect candidate to replace him.
I am not a second grader. I am about to graduate from college, and I am smarter than to do this shit.
Edit: if this works, I would totally do it in a heartbeat.
I would imagine it wouldn't be that hard to check, regardless if he worked in Asia, HR would still be able to find his records/info at a BB. If he put some boutique with no office in America then I would probably say it would be harder to verify. That was really dumb of him.
This kid says that he has done multiple real internships in Singapore, and in Singapore, many companies don't track intern's records or have documentations. He told me that in Asia, if you have connections you can get internships without interviews or filling out documentations.
Also, I actually know one other kid who got away with a fake internship on his resume. But this kid was in S&T not IBD, and it was a couple of years ago. He told my friend (with fake internship from Singapore) that many times, employers don't really check your internship history with much rigor, esp, if this is from overseas. I suspect this played a large role in leading my friend to BS his resume. (which was still solid even without this fake internship)
I have lived in South east asia, albeit if only for a few months, and I don't deny that sometimes you don't need to interview or have records but that is mostly restricted to companies from that country. If a BB bank has an office in Singapore they would definitely have a record of all of their interns.
My friend did a real internship in Singapore at Big4. And, he got this via his connections and he didn't have formal documents that keep record of his employment. From this, he took a gamble and listed a faked BB internship from Singapore, thinking US employers won't be able to catch him.
But the question is - do banks check shit like this very seriously? (I kinda hope so...)
i've been sent copies of my BG checks. i'd give him a 75% of getting fucking hosed. your buddy is a lying little toad who deserves to have his offer withdrawn. i hope he learns a lesson from this.
Does that mean that he has 25% chance of getting away with it? (that is actually very decent odds)
Do you work in IBD? If so, did your bank specifically ask for references, or how did they check internship validity. Also, do they check foreign shit like internship from Singapore?
My buddy went to same high school as me, and now attends an Ivy. (one of HYP) He is a very good and old friend of mine, yet it kinda angers me that people would do shit like this.
It is kind of funny how lying about things is more of a habit. This friend that Im talking about is a heavy-time cheater, who even cheated on his SAT. (he fully admitted this) Also, he fully admitted that he cheated on most of his exams in high school, and many of courses at college. So far, he hasn't been caught once, and he is at HYP. So far, cheating has served him well, tho.
i worked in IBD many years ago. they did do background checks and i got copies of my credit report and verification of schooling, degrees, etc. i also worked in consulting and got the same thing. they even verified my college major. this is no joke. there has been too much lying on CVs as of late and they are cracking down even on junior hires. it's peanuts in terms of cost for them to check.
also, plenty of liars and frauds in HYP. cheaters don't always get caught and get their just punishment, but i enjoy it when they do. cheating serves some well indeed.
Well, the question here is whether banks in NYC will care about his fake BB internship in Singapore to the extent that they will check it with rigor.
My friend got 1900 on SAT first time. Then, he paid someone really smart to sit next to him so he could cheat on SAT. (like 3 thousand bucks, no kidding) He got a 2300 on SAT after this method.
This kid is a pro cheater, and it would be the first time that get would get caught if this shit doesn't pan out as well as he would hope. (to my surprise, he mentioned that he once opened his textbook and notes while he was taking a final exam in Psychology at his HYP, and he didn't get caught. He is really skilled in cheating)
Well, the question here is whether banks in NYC will care about his fake BB internship in Singapore to the extent that they will check it with rigor.
My friend got 1900 on SAT first time. Then, he paid someone really smart to sit next to him so he could cheat on SAT. (like 3 thousand bucks, no kidding) He got a 2300 on SAT after this method.
This kid is a pro cheater, and it would be the first time he would get caught if this shit doesn't pan out as well as he would hope. (to my surprise, he mentioned that he once opened his textbook and notes while he was taking a final exam in Psychology at his HYP, and he didn't get caught. He is really skilled in cheating)
Also, why do you give 25% chance that he will get away with it? What is your rationale?
I wish they publicize your lying-ass friend's record so he/she is banned forever from the industry
Man, this has the full spectrum of moral hazard going on. Let me get this straight:
Dude lied big time to get a job. You're not offended that he lied on his resume, you're just jealous that you didn't think of it first? Now, you're considering exposing him and offering to take his place? And you want people here to validate this plan?
Ok, a couple of thoughts:
This type of dishonesty is really the root cause of Wall Street's contribution to the financial crisis...there isn't room for this type of thing. Most of the people who have jobs now worked very hard to get where they are, and would crucify anyone who lied to get in. Everyone fudges details (I've fudged a lot of details), but completely making up something like this is pretty unethical. This guy sucks.
I'm not sure you want to be calling this a friendship. A friend would be happy that he got the job, and disappointed with him for lying. You're just jealous and now considering throwing him under the bus for the chance at self gain. You suck.
A BB will definitely have records of this stuff. He will be exposed and the offer rescinded. It is unlikely that a bank would let you have the job in exchange for turning him in: you are guilty by association. You're probably both going to have to keep looking for a way into finance.
It's entirely possible to pull a fast one with smaller firms overseas, but it's simply not going to happen at BB IBD. If he somehow actually ends up working there, please post a followup, just because I'm morbidly curious. As much as it sounds like I'm a moralizing asshole, I'm actually not a fan of the mechanized, impersonal, GPA and prestige whoring monster that corporate America has become and I'm thrilled by anyone who beats the system. Seriously, if this dude doesn't get caught, I think it's safe to say we're going to see a lot of Singapore internships showing up on resumes.
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No. When I said I would consider calling the bank to let them know of my friend's lies on his resume, I was kidding, obviously. Also, how in hell would that help me get into IBD at this bank? No gain for me.
I am not jealous or anything. I am wondering if there is rigorous background check for IBD. (some mentioned that some banks didn't even contact their previous employers, so it depends, and my friend may actually get away with this I think) BUT, I do hope that there is justice in hiring.
Also, you have to accept that this happens quite frequently and people get away with it. There are MANY people who lie and cheat. There was one guy - a CEO at a F500 company, (I forget which one) - who lied that he graduated from college. (he dropped out of college actually) YET, he DIDN'T get caught and still made it to CEO. (He got caught AFTER he made it to CEO and when he was like 55)
The CEO slipping through the cracks is somewhat different: THEY proved themselves over 30+ years but your friend doesn't even work there yet. They check tax records, police records, etc... and will call the company to verify that they worked there. Dude, good luck.
Sorry if I sounded nasty, I'm just a little shocked that at this point in the game someone would try to pull a fast one: the world hates Wall Street and it will blow over when we stop giving them reasons to.
No. What that means is that CEO got through the cracks when he got that FIRST job. Otherwise, he wouldn't have gotten a chance to get that first job or get his career started at all.
This CEO is no different case. For what it's worth, even vice President Joe Biden has been accused of plagiarism and over-hyping his academic credentials...
Also, who cares if random Joes from bumblefuck-nowhere hate Wall Street? Let's face it - they're just jealous that bankers are rich as fuck. Everyone is selfish, and everyone is driven by self-interest and individual profit to an extent. That is essentially what CAPITALISM is all about. If you hate bankers and do Occupy WS or whatever, maybe you can work hard and get a job in banking with that same effort and time.
Steve Singh - Concur Technologies
http://www.techflash.com/seattle/2009/03/Concur_CEO_Steve_Singh_misrepr…
I just talked to him via Facebook.
My friend is now considering applying to consulting jobs with fake internships from Singapore, and he is wondering if consulting firms wouldn't check BB internship from Singapore because they're different industries...I told him this is stupid idea, and he shouldn't.
Edit: his 'internship' from Singapore BB is not IBD. I didn't ask him which division he 'worked' at.
i love liars but i hate cheaters- ari gold
I am almost sure this guy will get caught- Singapore might not have US levels of documentation, but it is not exactly a 3rd world shithole. And wouldn't your friend have needed to report this "job" for income tax purposes? Also, as was said before, a BB would have employment records no matter where the office is.
My friend did an actual internship with Big4 in Singapore, and he didn't fill out anything. no tax returns, no documents. Pretty much, you have to call the references to check his employment with this, there is no other way to check. Not sure how BB internships work tho. He just said that he was paid minimal amount for his internship, and no paperwork or documents were necessary. He took the gamble from this and created this fake internship hoping that he won't get caught easily.
It is beginning to sound like he will get his offer pulled. Still, he has 3.6+ GPA in HYP and other decent stuff on his resume, so he will be fine. It is just that he won't probably end up with an IBD offer anytime soon in my opinion. (This guy shouldn't even be at HYP in the first place, btw...)
Not true. At least in HK/China mainland, you can get into a BB w/ family connections w/o any records. Not through the formal HR campus recruiting but still able to do that. Have seen sooooo many cases and feel like its so normal not even in Asia, but can happen all over the world
What a fucking clown
It's one thing to cheat on exams or make a few exaggerations on the resume but adding a completely fake internship? lol'd
Not to stereotype, but is this guy Asian?
No.
BBs usually outsource background checks to a thirdparty and they will find out everything. "your friend" will never be able to work in the industry unfortunately thats a huge fudging
If they catch him, they will just make him a broker instead of a banker. This guy has got the skills to unload garbage off balance sheets.
Kidding, but in all seriousness, Wall Street (speaking globally here, not just NY) is full of scumbags regardless of firm. Take this as an early lesson and as someone earlier indicated, this guy is the kind of guy that you don't want as a friend or as an associate. Unfortunately, you will continue to encounter people like this in your personal and professional life. Steer clear of them and maintain your integrity. When it comes down to it, it's the only asset that can't be taken from you.
Also, I don't think you should report it directly to the bank. However, there is some burden on you now. As much as you may not like to hear it, you should probably notify your career center. It reflects horribly on your school if people are doing this.
While not as serious, liken it to the Penn State scandal. Failure to come forward with the truth allows transgressions to continue and more people get hurt. No one ever likes being a tattle tale, but it's often for the best. You can also give your "friend" the option to disclose it himself. It sucks, but it really is something of an albatross on your neck.
not a wise move by your friend
I was wondering the same thing. So many of these nice people looking after their lying "friends" these days...
Uhm, I believe you posted numerous times at my previous thread "Recruiting at Ivies - 2011", which I created over a month ago.
In that thread, I was OP and I specifically said that I got shut out of FIRST ROUND of IBD recruiting. So, you would know that, right off the bet, I don't have a single IBD job lined up. So, why the fuck would I have this problem myself and just posting this as a cover??
FYI, I am not even trying to get a job in IBD or in finance at this point. I didn't even make it to second round interviews... I plan on going straight to grad school.
I am just curious what will happen. I would sleep better knowing that background checks are tight and good jobs won't end up with people who are undeserving, while those who are deserving may be turned down.
Haha. You make sound deductions, and I don't blame you.
Like I said, I didn't even receive an offer in IBD at any firm, even shit no name firms. So, why the fuck would I be worrying about this??
I basically gave up on IBD, and plan to attend grad school or something. This story isn't very relevant to me anyway.
The reason I was saying my friend should be fine regardless is that he does have good credentials, I mean, he is at HYP with some good 'real' internships as well. So, even if he doesn't get banking offer in the end, he won't get screwed for life. That is what I am getting at...
I generally just assume "my friend", "a colleague", "my brother", etc. are generally the OP.
Though, here, by giving us all this info, if the OP really is = "the friend", he is also giving away some info that could lead to his demise a lot sooner, assuming some truth in: 1) Fake job in "Singapore", 2) at a "BB", 3) "friend" in "HYP" 4) approximate GPA score.
I suppose if one BB employed monkey analyst/associate comes across this profile and decides to do a cross search, the "friend" could get caught.
^ seriously, what's with these fags putting up posts for their "friends"?
how do you not have anything better to do, if it really is not you? the fuck...
I was curious. I was curious and asked, that's all.
In honesty, I would be pretty ticked off if noticeable number of people would get away with shit like this. And, I really hope that background checks are tight so that no BS'ers will get the coveted jobs away from people who truly deserve it.
Whether it is a friend or just a cover, it is stupid to mention it on a popular site like this. Regardless though, unethical behavior may or may not ever be discovered, but if you have to lie to get into IBD you probably won't cut it anyway.
If you do cut it, that behavior will bring you and everyone else around you down eventually. Just cross one line and eventually you'll be way out of bounds. Just ask Bernie Madoff, and Skilling and Fastow.
You people are free to believe whatever you want.
The reason I posted this thread is NOT because I am going through this shit. I wanted IBD but didn't even get a SINGLE offer, so it is irrelevant to me.
I am not applying to IBD jobs at all now. I got rejected by all in first round. I am planning on attending grad school, so why the FUCK would I post this thread as a cover.
I posted this thread just to see if my friend is screwed. Honestly tho, I kinda wish that he would get caught. I would sleep better at night knowing that those coveted IBD jobs wouldn't end up with people who are dishonest about their credentials.
Also, another reason I posted this thread is cuz I was curious. I was genuinely curious about what will happen to my friend, not because of my concern for my friend, but more out of my curiosity.
You people need to get a fucking life and stop flaming. Either make contribution, or go post somewhere else.
Then make an anonymous call to the bank HR department suggesting they check his background. Don't say who you are or why your calling, just say you know that "X Y" is involved with the firm and say "perhaps there is something you may want to know about his past experience". Don't tell them what he's done, they will jump to the background checks right away.
Who cares if he is your friend, just rat him out. He will just assume the bank did a background check, and never know that you called. If it were me, I would have turned him in long ago with all his other cheating (that's if he actually cheated in tests - it sounds to me like he could be bullshitting there too for prestige sake).
Though, if he truly cheated to get into the top Ivies and maintain a good GPA, and he faked an internship, then deserves to get caught in this situation. Not only that, but he is so stupid as to tell you he cheated on this test, faked this, cheated that...
That's if it isn't you that your talking about when you say "friend". I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, but either way, the culprit deserves to get caught.
I definitely know that this kid cheated on SAT because he told me... I mean, his SAT shot up from 1900 to 2300, and that ain't no easy feat. Also, although he didn't tell me, I suspect he faked all the extra-curricular activities in high school when he applied to Ivies, but I have no way to verify this tho. He just mentioned "college admissions is a joke. I am sure they don't even check if your extra curricular activities that you included in your app are legit or not."
Although he is my friend, that does NOT mean that I like the things that he's done wrong so far. I mean, if your brother committed a rape on an innocent girl, you would still like your brother but you wouldn't like the crime he committed and hope that he will be brought to justice.
He was a good friend to hang out with, and intensely pleasant/ fun guy to be around with. I was, at many times, scared about his natural habit to take wild risks and his tolerance for it. But, he is just that type of guy. I am too much of a pussy to do anything near as ballsy as my friend. I would never in a million years even think about cheating on SAT, cuz I am scared about the possible consequence if I am caught for it. I am just a risk-averse, pussy-type of a guy.
Also, if my friend is going to get caught regardless in future after background check, I don't have to do anything. I do not want to cause harm to him directly. It ain't my business, and I shouldn't get involved. If the background check system is tight (and it should be), then this problem will be solved by itself regardless. Also, IF my friend gets AWAY with this, (which I doubt), then his employer has as much of a problem as my friend does.
Be honest. It is your plan to put the BB internship on your resume. Just don't do it. You won't get away with it.
If it's just for your friend, then why do you care what people say and be defensive and insecure?
Who cares? This is anon message board on line. Honestly it shouldn't matter if it is me or my friend going thru this shit. Believe whatever u want. I am just stating facts and I am curious to hear what will happen to my bud, and don't want people to digress from this thread to talking about stuff off topic. I provided enough evidence that this isn't me going thru this scenario, so u should know better than to post this.
And, no, I am not insecure. I find it disappointing that many posters talked shit about stuff off topic and didn't contribute anything substantive to answer any questions in the thread. I am genuinely curious about what might happen to my friend, or anyone else who lies about GPA when applies to a job and later gets caught, etc...
FYI - I know at least 9 guys from my college just within my social circle who flat-out LIED about their GPA on RESUME when they applied to jobs. One had a GPA of 2.8, but put 3.4 GPA when applying to finance and non-finance jobs, etc. I am just wondering what the background check 'tightness' really is and how good they are at catching shit, what the punishment will be, etc. I don't know, I feel like this hiring process should always be meritocratic and honest, and I don't think people who lie shit on their resume should end up with their desired jobs.
I was really pissed off when this girl I know had a 3.4 GPA, but put 3.6 GPA and she sugar-coated so much of her resume it wasn't funny. For example, I was in same extra curricular club as her and she lied that she was the president of this club, when it was this another guy and she just showed up in club like once a month without any leadership in the club. Guess what? She got an offer at a very good job, I won't say which or if it is IBD or not. I just want to hear how rigorous background check is at these banks or consulting firms, and I want to hear that it is tight as shit.
There is NOTHING wrong about hoping that murderers, liars, rapers, or drug dealers will get caught and be brought to justice. Likewise, there is NOTHING wrong about hoping that these banks or other employers would catch those people with fake internships, faked up GPA, sugar-coated resume, etc and bring them to justice.
If it's for your friend, are not concerned that your friend may be reading this?
Also, you ONLY hear about people who get caught for lying. That should mean that there are PLENTY of people out there who lied and got through the cracks without getting caught.
Obviously, there is nothing wrong with hoping that the background checks will be tight and it will be very hard for anyone who lies on resume to get away with it. If many people do get away way after forging/scamming their resume, this is just wrong and things need to change.
Sadly, my guess is that a large number of people who lie on their resume can get away from it. There's really nothing you can do about it (unless you file an anonymous claim to your school's career services). That in it of itself presents another issue - would you be disclosing this to the school out of true concern about morality, or jealousy or some delight in schadenfreude or a bit of everything?
I do understand your view though. I've seen some people land really good jobs, but the they really don't deserve it or plagiarized cover letters and etc. And then I've seen really smart ones get a lot less than what they probably deserve. And you wonder, where's the justice?
Short of reporting such incidents anonymously, the only other thing you can do is uphold your own moral grounding.
op is a troll.
TLDR papers...
sure there are plenty of liars in the industry, but that dosent justify anything. sure some are good at it, but the unfortunate (for them) truth is many are terrible at it
seems like your friend would've made Kerviel very proud as a great rogue trader in the making. You should tell him to go apply at a European bank as a trader.
chances of BB HR reading this thread right now and able to narrow it down to the more than likely single idiot with multiple singapore internships on their resume?
I dunno, I mean my bud is gonna get caught after background check anyway so what further damage could this thread possibly do to him? Also, I think I would be applauded for revealing this fraud rather than keeping shut, regardless.
I take it you don't have too many "friends".
I didn't even bother reading the responses, but after reading what the OP had to say, it is obvious he is talking about himself. First of all, he pretends like "his buddy" lied about his internship, then he goes on to cover his ass and say that he is upset "his buddy" did this and jokes about throwing him under the bus. If you were so mad at your friend, why did you waste your time to post it and ask for feedback? Why do you even care what happens to him? Whether he gets caught or not?
Dude shame on you (and others) who lie about their experience. There are honest people out there, me included, who bust their asses working day and night to make a contribution to this world.
You are retarded. Try to read before posting shit. I specifically said that I got entirely shut out of IBD recruiting, and I am not even trying to get a job at IBD now. Actually, I created another thread a month ago saying that I didn't get a single IBD interview for second round. I am curious to see what will happen to my bud, out of curiosity and out of my hope that there is due justice in hiring process and that would help me sleep better at night. It would piss me off if people who lie on their resume can get away rather easily.
Also, I know many others besides this kid who lied about other shit, like their GPA, etc. I hope all these people will get caught and hopefully, this 'tight' background check will discourage future generations away from cheating.
It is like: when people know that there is a serious consequence when you commit a theft or rape, we can expect that many will be DETERRED away from committing those crimes in question, out of their fear for possible consequence. This is essentially what our JUSTICE system tries to do: enforce harsh punishment in order to deter people away from crimes. If there is no jailing or any other punishment, I would bet that you will see murders and rapes left and right.
Edit: I have never set my foot on the soil of Singapore once in my life. This kid goes to different school than me and he has an IBD job lined up, and I don't even have an IBD gig lined up. However, no one on this board knows who I am in real life, so it shouldn't matter if this is me or my bud going thru this shit, and that is besides the point. I couldn't care less if some people will think this is cover and I am the one with this fake Singapore BB internship, because no one here knows me anyway. The reason I am trying to prove that this is not cover is because posters were commenting on dumb useless shit like second grade kids. Provide useful information, or don't post.
lol @ "applauded for revealing this fraud"
THIS AINT THE CORPORATE WHISTLEBLOWERS HOTLINE DOG
Its essentially your call. You could call up the bank anonymously and tell them that you know this is the case or you could watch him continue to lie and get everything.
If you decide to go for the latter, get a tape recorder or voice recorder app on your phone and record all conversations (save facebook chats).
Later on, if hes a badass mofo at some big corporation, use this info you have to blackmail. In the meantime try your best to land the job you want.
He's not that great at cheating if he's announcing it to everyone, though you two seem to be very close.
EDIT: I personally hate cheaters - as some have mentioned they're the reason behind this crisis and I honestly hope they burn in hell.
Im debating whether to call the bank or not. I am more inclined to not call the bank, because I think they will catch this fake internship after background check regardless. That is essentially why i created this thread, because I wanted to hear if they are going to catch him or not. If it was unlikely for them to catch it, I would strongly consider calling the bank to let them know.
/Successful troll
Now go home and get your shine box, you fuckin faggot.
I just successfully broke into finance (ER at a MM) after working in advertising for some time. The bank called (more accurately, the background check company they use) called every advertising agency I've ever worked for (in NYC, Boston, London, and Mumbai) to verify my employment. I know because I received a call from the background-checking company asking for a phone number for the Mumbai agency.
My experience may be unique but if a MM would go to these lengths to examine my marketing background, I assume a BB would definitely want to examine past finance experiences.
I'd give him a 75% chance of being fired.
My background check was exhaustive and they called me out on a months discrepancy between what it said on my resume vs. what the background check picked up. (ie, How come you listed September 2003 as the end-date of XYZ job, when the background check revealed the end-date was clearly August 2003). It was a simple error and obviously there were no repercussions, but it highlights the super-detailed nature of these background checks.
No way they are going to miss a fake internship. Although my experience was US-only, so I'll give him some wiggle room.
If your friend has someone inside who is willing to back him up, a background check company(kroll or first advantage) will call that person to verify your friend's employment history, so he will most likely get away with this.
omg, is this all that how 'tight' the background check really is??
I mean, if my friend knows a secretary or an analyst who he is friends with at this BB Singapore office, and just give his bank this contact info, is that all??
WTF. I would have hoped the bank HR would call the manager or some high up people at his previous employer to verify shit. I mean, if this is all they're going to do, no wonder people can get away with this kind of shit.
My bud might know people from this BB Singapore office cuz he had a couple of real internships in Singapore in the past and he might have some connections....
Well, since he worked in Singapore, he could get away this. But if he worked in the US, then his work history would have been linked with his social security and he could get caught.
^ he's not your friend or your bud, if you're willing to rat him out.
I dont know what school you go to that lets its students lie about GPA...my school conducted transcript checks before the resume could even be uploaded...
On another note, in all seriousness the background check is a joke in my opinion. All they do is check whether or not you have criminal activity or some shit with the SEC. Never heard of any firm checking past work experience. If anyone who works in HR can contradict this, I'd be happy to hear.
I go to a lower Ivy. I literally know at least a dozen of people just in my social circle who flat-out lied about their GPA on resume and when they were interviewing. Many times, they bumped up their GPA by at least .2-.3 points. Nobody checks our GPA on resume. I am pretty sure Harvard and Yale don't check GPA of their students on their resume either cuz my friends from those schools (some of them) also lied about their GPA when applying to jobs
Also, what you are saying is different from what others have been saying so far. Some are saying background check is really tight, but you're saying it is a joke...
At the end of the day, if my bud knows someone at this Singapore BB, it seems like he will get away with this shit for sure unless i tell his bank about it tho..
"At least a dozen people"? Do you and your friends sit around and discuss your embellished resumes? Sounds like a great time.
I think OP = liar buddy
Fake bitching/threatening to rat him out so no one thinks it's actually him.
1) you are wrong 2) but i don't care if you do think this way... 3) stop steering this thread into off-topic speculation 4) like I said, I don't even have a single IBD gig lined up...
My reasoning: you have been around long enough to see that threads involving lying on resumes get flamed into oblivion. Instead of getting covered with shit and not getting any actually useful info on the matter, you come up with some sob story about how you didn't get an offer yet have this asshole friend who lied and managed to land a position. Doesn't it seem like a bit of a stretch for you to speculate on the connections "your friend" has at consulting firms in Singapore from previous internships? Where did that even come from? You seem way too intimately involved/concerned with this whole situation for it not to be you. You are just doing a quasi successful job in trolling the board so you can actually get info from them...
^ good points.
god damn you sound like a little whining bitch man the fuck up and worry about your own shit instead of your "buddy"
1) yes, i do like to whine a lot when i get something i don't want, or i see injustice in the world. better speak about crimes or frauds rather than keeping shut. 2) you don't have to read this thread, nor any of my posts if you don't want to. so get the fuck out of this thread, and stop distracting this thread from main topic 3) i worry about my own shit enough already
why are you such a pussy?
it's YOUR FRIEND. You weren't getting in either way, bro. But at least your friend got around it, and beat the system.
Was it wrong? Fuck yeah. but that has nothing to do with the fact that he is YOUR FRIEND.
why don't you stop looking at what others do, and focus on what you're doing wrong. You fucking pussy.
Again, don't steer this thread into off-topic conversations. Whether or not I have this hard feeling towards my bud for this is none of your business.
Yeah, I didn't get into IBD and I accept that I wasn't good enough or cut out for it. That doesn't change the fact that there is injustice in this world and hiring process, and some fuckers get around it without having the necessary qualifications to show for.
you are right, he is my bud so I don't want to ruin his future by telling his bank about it. I was hoping his employer will catch this shit without any help whatsoever from anyone else.
You are terrible at lying. No cheater tells their friend they cheated on the sat, tells you sat scores, tells you gpa, tells you hes faking an internship, among others. You saying you're going to a different school, didn't get an ibd offer, etcetc doesn't mean shit. Remember, bad liars always don't know they are bad at it. Don't try to BS the BSer.
the world isn't fair. get over it.
I like to party.
why can't i have this thing start at a certaintime, the fuck?
I find it very hard to believe that your "friend" would pay $8,000.00 to have someone essentially write the SAT for him, and then go and tell people about it. Anyone with even a modicum of intelligence would know to keep that type of information to themselves.
In any case, background checks are certainly no joke. Especially when they are outsourced to third parties (which is happening more and more these days). As an example, many years ago when I did a summer internship at a MBS sales desk. In the internship offer letter, the position was called 'Sales Assistant'. On my resume, I wrote 'Summer Analyst'. Because of this, I almost failed the background check for my current job years later.
Depends on how close of friends they are. But in this case, if he isn't a liar, then they obviously aren't close.
STILL: you keep your dumb fucking mouth shut. always. Until you know what the shot is.
if this kid is going into IB, haven't you considered the possibility that he may be a member here?
Or does he tell you what websites he visits, as well?
also, why are you such a miserable human being?
I am sure you will be DANCING with joy and get a serious hard-on when you find out your buddy of long time gets a job at BB IBD after fudging resume, internship history, and GPA.
Or, perhaps you will be celebrating with joy and tears and congratulate your wife when you find out that your wife cheated on you and fucked another guy who is better looking than you on top of giving him a BJ + lip service.
There are certain things in this world that an individual should NOT do, regardless of who they are, whether they are your friends, brother, or wife, or whoever the fuck they are. If you don't get upset about what these folks do when they cross that 'certain' line, then more power to you, seriously.
you didn't get into HYP because you can't even work a simple analogy. Not because you didn't cheat on the SATs.
And yes, I would be happy for my friend if he were to get a job like that. Why? Because he's my friend, and I'm not a little cunt.
my school is currently implementing counter measures to cheating which will cause huge annoyance to everyone, and might even affect some grades. I know a few of these cheaters. But not a single fuck is given, because if I know what I'm supposed to know, then I will get to where I want to be.
The fact that your friend lied about an internship doesn't change the fact that you yourself didn't have one.
Fuckin boy scouts me sick. Where the fuck was daddy when you were growing up?
dude snitch on your friend and take his place.
always put money before loyalty. Money is quantifiable, friendship is not.
^ this.
I had an internship, just not in finance-related position. And, while I didn't get into HYP, I got into 3 of Ivies + Duke + NYU Stern. Believe me, I am pretty good with analogy and you appear to be the type of guy that would scream out with joy despite finding out about your wife fucking other dudes who are better than you.
My concern is not only specific to my bud in question. Like I said, I knew many others besides this kid who lied on resume, including GPA. And, I am thinking background check needs to step up its game, or people will continue to cheat in future.
"you appear to be the type of guy that would scream out with joy DESPITE finding out about your wife fucking other dudes who are better than you."
If I found out that I won the lotto, and at the same time, found out that my wife was cheating on me... Yeah, I would still be screaming out with joy.
You didn't get into shit. And if you did, they should be improving admission standards, not background checks.
p.s. if that analogy works (which it doesn't unless you're a fucking retard) - then you've admitted that your friend is better (more qualified) than you. Which just means you had no fucking chance either way. Yeah, not even with that non-finance internship.
I think clueless high school students with reading comprehension issues should be banned from posting on this site.
okay enough. Im done.
this thread is more pathetic than all of brady's endless fawning over hbs combined
my reading comprehension is fine - your English suggests that you got in by way of affirmative action.
which would explain a lot about your entitlement issues.
no, i am a white dude so i didn't get into my college via affirmative action. I write fast and carelessly on this message board, cuz who the fuck cares if I write well or not here?
He's fucked I'm afraid. Sounds like Jeff Chang all over again
The thing is Investment banking >>> 99% of other types of entry level jobs in compensation, exit ops, and prestige. it is a pretty sick gig to have at the age of 22 and IMO, these jobs don't belong to people who come up with bull shit and only appear to be good on paper
if my bud just comes up with a secretary or an analyst at this Singapore BB that would back him up, he might very well get away with this. it's people like this in the industry who fucked up our economy. honesty and sound judgment should both be crucial qualities that get pushed within the industry
2 options here.
OP = buddy
OP is never going to be in IB, or eventually become a bitter associate with the smallest bonus. Wrong type of mentality, more of a public sector service worker.
Just a tip: if it is your buddy, try to leverage a job there through him, don't complain.
P.S. I would imagine lots op people read WSO, so if this guy is found and screwed all over, if I were OP I would escape the country (to Singapore, ironically).
OP doesn't sound like he's got the personality for IBD. seriously you need to drop the betaboy attitude if you want to hack it in finance.
i appreciate your concern. i know i didn't cut it out for IBD as a college senior. I got work to do next few years to get into a top MBA and go banking from then on.
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you should be working on being a man, not on getting into an MBA program. fucksake man...
Is your friend Jeff Chiang?
no this kid is white, not asian. plus, this kid is at a top ivy, not U texas or some other lousy state school that Jeff Chiang went to
New theory:
OP = Jeffrey Chiang
haha, no i am not asian
As someone who is interested in breaking into IBD, this thread really makes me sad.
When I break in, if even 10% of the people I'll end up working with are as stupid as you are, all of my hard work will be for nought because I'll have to quit immediately. This thread in its own right makes me want to throw up, but for some odd reason, I read through every post - even all 20 times you wrote "my buddy went from 1900 to 2300 on the SAT" and "my buddy goes to HYP" and, of course we can't forget, "I don't give a shit about IBD I want to go to grad school, I don't give a FUCK"...
...and then you suddenly come back saying that you'd give a left nut to get a BB offer right now.
Jesus H. Christ you are a moron. And I agree with pizza, you're also a whiny bitch. Let's assume for a second that this is actually about your friend, a dubious claim, whom you're jealous of because he's rich and cheats his way through life. If that's the case, I hope he burns in hell, but I hope you burn in it twice. Why? Because, even if you are legit, you're nothing but an insecure pile of garbage who is actually so lacking in self-confidence that you get on a forum to make yourself feel better about this situation and the fact that you go to a "lower-Ivy".
Here's a news flash for you: there are plenty of people in IBD at BBs who didn't go to HYP. The majority of them also worked hard for it. Keep QQing elsewhere while the rest of us put the wheels in motion and pass you faster than you can type "my buddy", since that seems to be such a convenient way for you to mask your own deep, sad insecurities.
Where are you located? I can recommend a psychiatric doctor.
You talk big, you faggot.
Look, I didn't do anything wrong and i don't deserve much of criticism that is undue, you fucking retard. How the fuck is it wrong to ask if background check is rigorous or not? And, it should be.
Go fuck yourself and go fuck your mom, you piece of fucking shit faggot.
And, yeah, I am sure YOU won't give a shit if your buddy gets away with cheating on SAT or faking up resume and ends up with certain things that he shouldn't, that is called 'breaking the law', you piece of shit.
Oh yeah, have fun getting into IBD. by then, you will be working for my buddy who faked his way in and you will be his bitch.
I really hate self-righteous, hypocrite shit-heads like you. as soon as you find out that someone you know fakes up his GPA from 3.3 to 3.8 and fakes up the rest of resume and gets that IBD job over you, I am sure you would be fucking dancing with joy and tears and congratulate him for beating the system.
whether I have certain feelings towards my bud for lying on his resume and getting X,Y,Z types of jobs or not is none of your fucking business, you pansy. And, who cares if I whine about this shit on this anon internet message board? In real life, I don't talk about shit like this with anyone and I worry about other shit that is more important
Wow, how old are you? So even though it's not worth my time, I'll bite.
1) Nothing is wrong with asking if a background check is rigorous. Here are the things that are wrong with your particular method of doing so: a) you continue to breathe life into this thread even though the question was answered in the first five replies, making all of us suspicious of the scenario as a whole; b) you've literally placed a nice chunk of an alleged friend's personal information on the internet without his permission, and whether he's wrong is beside the point; c) whenever anyone questions your claims, you immediately jump at their throats and ardently defend yourself, with arguments that mostly consist of crap like the above, because it hurts when people poke and prod at your insecurities
tl;dr version: this thread could have ended 60 posts ago.
I wouldn't be dancing with joy, but why didn't you have an internship and a 3.7-3.8? Probably because you didn't work hard enough. In this world you can cheat or you can work hard, some people choose the former, most hopefully choose the latter; still others choose neither.
Finally, life really isn't about landing the IBD job. Go make some friends, have fun, care about people around you, and make them feel good about themselves by just being an overall boss. The fact that an IBD job is better than 99% of all other gigs when you're 22 isn't gonna do a whole lot in terms of helping with that, I'm afraid.
Bye now.
Whoa there tough guy.
I honestly cannot fathom why you were unable to land an IBD job....
all the defensive rhetoric isn't helping your case...
wait a minute here i just had a revelation.
sexy like enrique = ratinamaze?
well?
Wow... the defensiveness, the 160+ post thread and counting drawn out when everyone already answered the guy's initial question(s) in the first 10-20 posts...
Nicely done ivote.
wtf?
there are some similarities....
ITT: SUNY Cornell little man's complex
I am sure you attend that much of a better school than me, to the point you can afford to trash cornell. haha. Unless you attend HYP, Wharton, or Stanford, you dont reserve right to make fun of anyone who attends a lower ivy, you retard.
don't tell me you attend a shitty state flagship and trash cornell, hahahah.
At my BB I saw a kid get seriously questioned about the dates of his lifeguard job his freshman year.
They check.
yeah, but if my bud knows a secretary that happens to work at this Singapore BB willing to back him up... he will get away with this i am afraid
Wait, what if I did an internship in China that I got through connections so there is no paperwork, etc.? If they do a check for SA, will they try to verify? What happens when they don't find anything?
They'll call to verify... I've done work in Shanghai before and they BG checked this one even for an internship.
On a side note - OP, I might not exactly be in a position to criticize anyone b/c I have short-temper as well, but will you just stop being so defensive for one second and actually think about the things people said on here? If there's anything I learned thus far, it's that the right attitude is crucial in this industry (b/c we all know it takes no genius to do the job).
Fair enough.
I was more or less responding to dumb posts by some retards, not necessarily getting defensive. I wanted to hear objective info or opinions, yet some kept on steering this thread off-topic, unfortunately.
Now, I do wish that they would call to check his internship, but shouldn't they do more than just that? I mean, if this kid knows a secretary or an analyst that works at this Singapore BB and willing to back him up, then he would get away just too easily
i think he's better off thinking about the things HE'S said on here. LMFAO... porsche cayenne the fuck are you talking about brah???????
no, sir. Porsche Cayman =/= Porsche Cayenne. I hate it when people get those two mixed up, but it happens frequently. I am a sports car, two-door car person, and don't really like to drive SUV's.
dude whatever the fuck you wanna call it................... what the fuck are you talking about???
if anyone has ever said anything bad about your ride, it's ONLY because you tried showing it off.
no one gives a flying fuck. get over yourself.
p.s. you have no credibility, therefore no girlfriend until pics are up.
are you really this dumb? the only reason I brought up the topic of my car is not to brag about it, but to illustrate another point in question via this example.
Edit: I am sorry, but I am guilty of bragging about my car in real life in front of some girls I like to bang, haha. But besides that i rarely talk about my ride with anyone, especially peep i don't know well.
Also, many of my friends from my high school are way richer than me and two friends of mine drive Aston Martin and Ferrari, respectively. I would never brag about driving a Porsche Cayman in front of friends like this.
The point stands that people who look down on things like 'low Ivy', etc, are many times retarded, unless they have something better themselves.
And, dude, don't make too much out of it. you said it yourself: life isn't fair. Some are born richer than others, and it is just way it is.
I come from a very rich suburb of a big city, and in my high school, at least 20-30% of high school kids drove BMW, Mercedes, Porsche, and Land Rover. Talking about Porsche Cayman is almost a joke in my hometown..
i'm quoting so you don't erase.
i didn't say you were bragging on the thread.
maybe read slower?
"And, dude, don't make too much out of it. you said it yourself: life isn't fair. Some are born richer than others, and it is just way it is.
I come from a very rich suburb of a big city, and in my high school, at least 20-30% of high school kids drove BMW, Mercedes, Porsche, and Land Rover. Talking about Porsche Cayman is almost a joke in my hometown.."
LOL wtf does that even mean? "don't make too much of it"????
shit you added some bullshit sob story about your friends being richer, before I could quote original.
fml
I am actually beginning to enjoy responding to some of the retards in this thread... initially you were annoying and I didn't want you to post because you kept steering my thread away from its topic, but now you are amusing. keep your shit coming.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_accomplishment
OP is so full of shit it's hilarious. As a non-target student working my ass off to break into IBD at the moment, I would love to have you at my super day cause i would almost be guaranteed my position against a clown like you. When I'm on the other side il make sure to wipe my ass with your "lower Ivy" degree and say hi to you when your working BO
You do assume a lot. there are big IF's in your proposition, re:
1) don't overestimate yourself and think you can break into IBD from a shit non-target that you go to, 2) don't underestimate others and assume I will end up with a BO gig, 3) don't base someone's character on superficial info provided on anon message board on internet, 4) worst come worst, I can go work at my dad's business and still make good money. there is just no way in hell I would end up with a shitty BO gig.
Apparently even a target couldn't help you break in and I suspect the reason is your attitude.
cairog, I don't know...
I mean, he's willing to give his left nut for that job. If I was interviewing I'd offer for the show.
Valid point but after reading through this forum, how big do you think those balls actually are?
It has been really long since I've come across reading comments of someone this retarded and dumb... perhaps it is my first time since second grade. And, this is refreshing and entertaining now. I am enjoying this, and don't stop your dumb posts coming!
Nah i don't have time for you, just had to throw in my two cents il go back to doing something that will get me places in life. But go ahead keep trolling yourself
good call, cairog.
i'm done brah. good luck with the cayenne. and with running daddy's used-car dealership.
This thread is seriously retarded.
Could a mod please lock it?
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