BAML IBD v. Goldman Legal-Prestige Factor?

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Hey guys,

I have a good sense of the differences between BAML IBD and Goldman Legal, but I wanted to know which would provide the best exits and has the better prestige factor? I did BAML IBD this summer and liked it a decent amount, but am not sure what I want to do in the future. Also, I know Goldman is more prestigious than BAML, but I am worried that the legal department work isn't that interesting and is viewed as being less intense.

Thoughts? Thanks so much!

Comments (27)

Oct 27, 2011

Goldman legal isn't going to help you get any consulting interviews. Then again, I'm not positive there will be a BAML IBD next summer.

Oct 27, 2011
GoodBread:

Goldman legal isn't going to help you get any consulting interviews. Then again, I'm not positive there will be a BAML IBD next summer.

You're an idiot.

Oct 27, 2011
NickTheRichard:
GoodBread:

Goldman legal isn't going to help you get any consulting interviews. Then again, I'm not positive there will be a BAML IBD next summer.

You're an idiot.

Relax guy.

Oct 27, 2011

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Oct 28, 2011

In all three of those aspects, GS is well in front of BofA.

Oct 28, 2011

ditto

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Oct 28, 2011

their overdraft system is ridiculous. say you have $100 and pay $20 and then $90. You should get one overdraft for the $90 right? Nope the next day they put the $90 first and you get both overdraft fees.

i know this is irrelevant but just wanted to throw that out there. they are damn scumbags

Oct 28, 2011
dazedandconfused87:

their overdraft system is ridiculous. say you have $100 and pay $20 and then $90. You should get one overdraft for the $90 right? Nope the next day they put the $90 first and you get both overdraft fees.

i know this is irrelevant but just wanted to throw that out there. they are damn scumbags

How the fuck does that make sense? Even if they put the $90 bill first, it is still less than the $100 in your account. Also, they probably received the debits in that order. I really doubt Ken Lewis is out to fuck you over. But what would I know, I couldn't give two shits about retail banking (or be stupid enough to overdraw my account)

Oct 28, 2011

BofA is absolutely killing it in the league tables right now, they are #1 in pretty much everything and have been the lead on some of the biggest deals of the year.

With that being said though Goldman is probably still a much tougher place to get a job and on top of that they aren't going through the controversy that BofA is going through right now.

Oct 28, 2011

who cares? i thought these threads died after this clusterfuck of a year. guess not...

Oct 28, 2011

there is no comparison.

"Killing it in league tables" is not an indication of profitability.

a lot of talent was laid off from both sides and a lot of talent has left the firm. It is a classic example of what happens when you don't care or look out for your people.

Oct 28, 2011
lt1:

there is no comparison.

"Killing it in league tables" is not an indication of profitability.

a lot of talent was laid off from both sides and a lot of talent has left the firm. It is a classic example of what happens when you don't care or look out for your people.

Judging by the tone of the OP he/she is interested in landing a job at one of these two firms. The fact that BoA is on top of the rankings does mean though that the deal flow is great and as an analyst there will be some opportunities to work on some great transactions.

I never said anything about league tables = profits, but I do personally believe that BoA is going to be one of the best positioned BBs on the street once this recession nonsense is done with.

Oct 28, 2011

As Shannon Sharpe said... thats like comparing the movie "Dude, Where's My Car?" to the Oscar-winning "Titanic."

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Oct 28, 2011
trade4size:

As Shannon Sharpe said... thats like comparing the movie "Dude, Where's My Car?" to the Oscar-winning "Titanic."

"Oh the ladies ever tell you that you look like a fucking optical illusion" - Frank Slaughtery 25th Hour.

Very well said!

Oct 28, 2011

Hahahah

GS is sweeter than BOA.

The top five BB's based on league tables these days are:

GS, MS, JPM, BOA-ML, Citi...Credit Suisse and UBS are in there somewhere for debt/equity offerings

OF course, both places are awesome if they give you a job. And BOA is better in certain parts of credit.

Oct 28, 2011

big unit - which league tables are you looking at? I see Thomson changed their site and I can't find the 2009 Q1 and Q2 tables.

Oct 28, 2011

BOA was doing well up until the Merrill marriage.

But at the very least they have a strong balance sheet (even if it's backed by the govt) and will rebound at some point...regardless they have legitimacy in the market that they didn't have until Merrill joined.

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Oct 28, 2011

I use Bloomberg's league function: LEAG. It fluctuates but BOA-ML is top 5 across everything pretty as you can see if you go to the table:

In Total Equity offerings, BOA-ML is 3rd-4th.
In Total Debt offerings, BOA-ML is 2nd between JPM.
In M&A completed deals, BOA-ML is between 4th and 5th, essentially tied with JPM. After JPM there is a huge decrease in share.

You can sort by any asset class. I think its just a port of Thompson tables, but updated as deals go on the wire.

BOA-Merrill is a solid investment bank to start off right now...really. obviously not at the GS/MS/Lazard level, but very good. Anyone who says its a bad place to be joining as an analyst is an idiot.

Its probably not a good place to make that paper, but I'm guessing if you are an MD worried about whether your bonus is 3mn versus 5mn, you aren't on this board...

People exaggerate greatly about the departure of top Merrill guys - I would say while 30% of the top 20 people are gone, only 10-15% of MD's have left since the merger.

GS is obviously the best - hands down. I don't see how anyone can rationalize going to BOA-ML over GS, unless they want to be a publishing analyst in research or something of that nature.

Oct 28, 2011

Two most overdone threads on WSO: 1)Comparisons/Prestige of IB's and 2)Rankings/Prestige of schools

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Oct 27, 2011

If you like BAML, go with that. GS Legal will blow donkey dick and your only real exit is a similar function at another bank / fin. institution. May look good for law school, however don't know shit about that so your call. BAML's jr. program is fine, you won't get on the sexiest deals m&a wise (sans CR and Real Estate) but your experience will be di minis comp'd to you peers if not exactly the same. We had kids from the 09 analyst class go to all the big PE shops (although in less volume than GS / MS I'd assume) so you do a good job and nail a top bucket slot and you can get to where you want to go.

Oct 28, 2011

GS's Legal Analyst program is very solid. I'm assuming it's the 2 (or is it 3?) year program. Exit ops are also awesome. Most go to Law school or move to another, usually front-office, position. The two girls I met from GS Legal moved to GS IBD (one M&A, the other LevFin) following the 2-3 years.

Oct 27, 2011

Ya moving from legal to IB makes complete sense. If you want IB why not just go there in the first place?

Oct 27, 2011

It was a joke about all the concerns there have been around BofA and a possible sale of ML.