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Jesus. This shit literally happens once a month in Europe.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4799836/Pe...
13 dead, many more injured. Seems like the genie has been let out of the bottle and now terrorists realize how easy and cheap it is to cause mass casualties. I wonder how many of these have to happen before you see a massive backlash.

I'd imagine it's simply a matter of time before the US has to endure this shit.

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Aug 17, 2017

Religion of peace strikes again. Maybe another couple of decades of civilian massacres in cities throughout the world, and people will wake up. It's doubtful though; in today's society self-righteousness and political posturing trump survival instincts and doing the right thing. Welcome to the beginning of the end of western civilization, it's gonna be a long ride folks

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Aug 18, 2017

That's a very fragile view of Western civilization.

Aug 17, 2017

Truly terrible situation. Unfortunately, vehicles are the new weapon of choice for these psychopaths. Under the motivation of ISIS (or whatever organization they subscribe to), soft targets are the venue of choice now. But we have to be strong, we can't let maniacs erode our values because if they do they have accomplished their goal.

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Aug 17, 2017

Our president on twitter in response to the attack folks: Study what General Pershing of the United States did to terrorists when caught. There was no more Radical Islamic Terror for 35 years!

This is what Pershing allegedly did, according to Trump in an earlier interview (I say allegedly because this story is likely a myth): "They were having terrorism problems, just like we do. And he caught 50 terrorists who did tremendous damage and killed many people. And he took the 50 terrorists, and he took 50 men and he dipped 50 bullets in pigs' blood -- you heard that, right? He took 50 bullets, and he dipped them in pigs' blood. And he had his men load his rifles, and he lined up the 50 people, and they shot 49 of those people. And the 50th person, he said: You go back to your people, and you tell them what happened. And for 25 years, there wasn't a problem. Okay? Twenty-five years, there wasn't a problem."

This is who leads our country

Aug 17, 2017

Yeah it's silly, but compared to what? Our last president didn't seem to understand the threat radical Islamic terrorism poses

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Aug 17, 2017

What makes you think that? Because some republican talking head told you so? Then you say that "Our last president didn't seem to understand the threat radical Islamic terrorism poses" when our current president thinks the problem can be solved by killing a few terrorists with pigs' blood dipped bullets and releasing some to let the others know what happened... I mean dude.

p.s. there is nothing "silly" about our president pushing some myth that espouses extrajudicial murder in order to solve terrorism... it's insane.

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Aug 17, 2017

It's a silly quote, but if you don't understand that the point Trump was that he wanted to crack down on terrorism, then you're obviously not thinking straight. (And this is coming from someone who opposed both Trump and Clinton all the way)

And I dunno, like that time he said ISIS was contained and the Paris attack happened the next day (plus more since then), the time he called ISIS the JV team, the time he said ISIS is not an existential threat, and the list really goes on to show how much he underestimates them.

Aug 17, 2017

Dude, it is an insane quote, this apologist bullshit has to stop. Trump "wants to crack down on terrorism"? Egads! He does!? Well that changes everything. That means he actually knows wtf he's doing. That means he actually has an effective plan to combat terrorism. Or... that is a platitude that doesn't mean shit. Trump quoting a myth that espouses an idiotic solution certainly doesn't inspire confidence. But go ahead, delude yourself into believing he knows what he is doing.

ISIS is not an existential threat to our country, that's pretty obvious. When he said ISIS was contained he was talking about the ground war in Syria & Iraq, not people motivated from outside the region to commit terrorist attacks or people who get on the internet and are inspired by ISIS to run over civilians with vans. I'll give you the JV team quote.

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Aug 17, 2017

Never said I think Trump knows what he's doing (nor most presidents for that matter, who will almost certainly rely on top military personnel for those sorts of decisions, because how the fuck would they have a clue) but considering Obama did literally nothing to crack down on terrorism, yeah, it's kind of something I'd look for in a candidate to want to do. how can you say ISIS isn't an existential threat? If they commit terror attacks on our soil, that literally makes them an existential threat.

Aug 17, 2017

I guess you don't know what an existential threat is. An existential threat is an entity that poses a threat to the existence of our nation. Unless you believe ISIS can overthrow the United States government, they are not an existential threat.

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Aug 17, 2017

There's a difference between thinking that Trump is a delusional quack and that Obama's foreign policy and approach to radical Islamic terrorism was effective or significant enough. Trump is an idiot sure, but Obama took a cavalier attitude towards one of the most significant modern threats to Western civilization and was swayed by Political Correctness and a fear of action towards a policy of "wait and see," and the world is less safe now for it.

Aug 17, 2017

To tag off of this comment, pandering to the Arab Spring, destabilizing Libya and Syria only fanned the flames.

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Aug 17, 2017

Cavalier attitude... NK nuclear standoff... Tweets!!! hahaha

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Aug 17, 2017

Again, the point isn't to compare Trump to Obama. Trump's idiocy and missteps don't abrogate Obama from responsibility for his own failings.

Aug 18, 2017

Once again another GOPer fixated on Obama. Howard Hughes initiated the Obama Trump comparison so take it up with him.

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Aug 18, 2017

Lmao, definitely not a GOPer in the slightest, and if you're able to read you should have seen that I said I don't like Trump at all. And I initiated the comparison because Bob was trying to show how ill prepared Trump is regarding ISIS, but definitely never would see Bob say the same thing about Obama.

Aug 18, 2017
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Again, the point isn't to compare Trump to Obama. Trump's idiocy and missteps don't abrogate Obama from responsibility for his own failings.

Obama didn't make any mistake that is in the same league as the invasion of Iraq. Did the Arab Spring destabilize the region? Probably? But did the US spend any money or soldiers in the effort? No.

Tell me you'd like your son/nephew/cousin/friend to die fighting in Syria. So much chickenhawk monday morning quarterbacking around here.

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Aug 21, 2017

Most of the shit that's happened in the ME over the last few years is due to Obama's truly awful state department...not sure what you're talking about.

Also, if you think all the actions taken are things you'll hear about on the evening news, you're in for a rude awakening.

"When you stop striving for perfection, you might as well be dead."

Aug 18, 2017

How so? Apart from not saying "radical islamic terrorist" what specifically did he not do? I always hear that line, but it's easily refuted and often empty.

Aug 18, 2017

How about sending $400 million in unmarked bills, in the middle of the night, in unmarked planes to the largest terrorist finding state in the world? http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/03/politics/us-sends-pl...

Aug 20, 2017

It wasn't a secret, they literally made it public record, which is amazing that you'd walk away with any other conclusion. In the article you posted, those funds were Iran's to begin with, they were also seeking billions more in a settlement. An analogy would be...I 'held onto' 1.7bn from you and then decades later we were making a landmark deal and as a gesture of good faith (though you were pursuing me rightfully in court) I 'graciously' gave your money back. Not really an analogy...that's what happened.

Aug 21, 2017

I came to a different conclusion because of a few things.

  1. The gov that we owed money to no longer exists. It'd be like owing a debt to the Ottoman Empire 100 years ago and then shipping Turkey 1.7 bn today.
  2. "The money was paid in euros and other currency acquired from the central banks of the Netherlands and Switzerland, since making a transaction with Iran in American dollars is illegal under US law." - This shows this was not intentionally made public. He side stepped the law knowing what he was doing.
  3. Almost simultaneously 4 American hostages were released after the payment was made. AKA- negotiating with terrorists.

Marco Rubio tweeted "Obama administration sent plan[e] load of cash to #Iran as ransom as part of deal on hostages. Just unreal."

http://www.dailywire.com/news/8466/obama-says-400-...

  1. This is no different than O's attempt to continue to fund Palestine which was thankfully blocked. http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-blocks-obama-...
Aug 17, 2017

"There is no doubt, and I've said repeatedly, where we see terrorist organizations like al Qaeda or ISIL -- They have perverted and distorted and tried to claim the mantle of Islam for an excuse for basically barbarism and death," he said.

"These are people who've killed children, killed Muslims, take sex slaves, there's no religious rationale that would justify in any way any of the things that they do," he said. "But what I have been careful about when I describe these issues is to make sure that we do not lump these murderers into the billion Muslims that exist around the world, including in this country, who are peaceful, who are responsible, who, in this country, are fellow troops and police officers and fire fighters and teachers and neighbors and friends."

"If you had an organization that was going around killing and blowing people up and said, 'We're on the vanguard of Christianity.' As a Christian, I'm not going to let them claim my religion and say, 'you're killing for Christ.' I would say, that's ridiculous," Obama said.

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Aug 17, 2017

Okay I see you posted a quote, but not really sure what your point is. Would he tell the Crusaders who were killing for Christ that it was "ridiculous" for claiming Christianity?

Aug 17, 2017

You seem to be adept at reading quotes, so here's a few more for you.

"ISIS is honoring President Obama," he said during a rally in Fort Lauderdale, Fla. "He's the founder of ISIS. He founded ISIS."

"I know more about ISIS than the generals do, believe me."

"We're gonna beat ISIS very, very quickly folks. It's gonna be fast," Trump said at a Saturday morning rally in Waterbury, Conn. "I have a great plan. It's going to be great. They ask, 'What is it?' Well, I'd rather not say. I'd rather be unpredictable."

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Aug 17, 2017

Lmao those are pretty dumb quotes from Trump, but you still haven't explained to me what the point of Obama's quote is. If you're as adept at critical thinking as you're trying to make yourself out to be, then surely you know that just because he'll say "ISIS is such a mean organization, they aren't representative of Islam at all" doesn't actually mean he's going to do something about it (which clearly he didn't), right?

Aug 17, 2017

You: "But compared to what? Our last president didn't seem to understand the threat radical Islamic terrorism poses."

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Aug 17, 2017

I feel like I'm fucking pulling teeth here. How is this not clear to you that Obama could bitch all he wants about how ISIS isn't representative of Islam, but it doesn't mean a fucking thing if he doesn't do shit about them, and even goes so far as to call them the JV team

Edit: or are you one of those types who actually believes that politicians are principled men and don't just say what they think the public wants to hear?

Aug 17, 2017

Cool man keep talking about Obama. I'm sure the Donald's super secret 30-day ISIS plan is going well.

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Aug 17, 2017

I don't like Trump at all, but jesus sorry you're taking what I'm saying about your lord and savior so personally

Aug 18, 2017

The point was that using a populist label wouldn't actually change anything other than alienate more people, that Obama clearly labeled and understood our enemies as psychopaths.

Aug 18, 2017

As if Obama "clearly" labeling our enemies would somehow make a difference in destroying ISIS... As I've said before, I really don't like Trump, but at least he wants to do something about ISIS, versus Obama who didn't

Aug 18, 2017

He launched a multi-year campaign against ISIS. You stated above Obama didn't understand the threat from terrorists. Clearly he demonstrated he does, and clearly he acted by dropping bombs, arming and aiding their enemies... At this point you're intentionally ignoring what he did, which says it all.

Aug 18, 2017
Howard Hughes:

Yeah it's silly, but compared to what? Our last president didn't seem to understand the threat radical Islamic terrorism poses

OMG YOU'RE RIGHT! So many people died in terrorist attacks under the Obama administration compared to the GWB. Obama didn't kill any terrorists with drones or undergo a program that so overtaxed the special operations community with missions/operational tempo that even the NYTimes was concerned.

Aug 18, 2017
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Howard Hughes:

Yeah it's silly, but compared to what? Our last president didn't seem to understand the threat radical Islamic terrorism poses

OMG YOU'RE RIGHT! So many people died in terrorist attacks under the Obama administration compared to the GWB. Obama didn't kill any terrorists with drones or undergo a program that so overtaxed the special operations community with missions/operational tempo that even the NYTimes was concerned.

I will say, Obama did order the airstrike to kill Anwar Al-Alwaki who was pretty much the person who radicalized people (YouTube videos) and influenced many terrorist attacks in the U.S.

Aug 18, 2017

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Aug 18, 2017

Totally agree with you - Bush was just as bad if not worse than Obama, especially with how he eroded our rights

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Aug 17, 2017

If America / Europe's strategy for defeating these raving lunatics intent on razing our communities and cities, slaughtering our children and raping our wives, is taking the moral high ground and not letting them "erode our values", we are way more fucked than I previously imagined

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Aug 17, 2017

What do you suggest? I'm just curious.

Aug 18, 2017

Fully agree. Europe is doomed. The weak cannot lead the strong.

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Aug 18, 2017

Come on, this is just spin. Europe has to contend with very different geopolitical circumstances than the U.S. They have a proximity to the various epicenters of terrorism that the U.S. is removed from, at least geographically. Terrorism is obviously a global problem that warrants growing global concern - no dispute there. But, Europe lacks a lot of the geographical advantages that the U.S inherently benefits from.

Additionally, their borders are deliberately more lax because the EU charter allows for free movement and the EU economy depends upon it. It can't be boiled down to weak and strong, it's just different circumstances entirely.

Furthermore, once you get into the calculus of what lives are worth based on geography and beliefs it becomes a game of moral relativism that is unwinnable and undignified. A sovereign state clearly has an obligation to its citizens, but there is a raw, universal human aspect that shouldn't be ignored either, especially in its current scale. The plight of a million refugees deserves the same global concern as the thousands of lives lost due to terrorism. However, the latter gets the focus because it's ostensibly the easier problem to solve, especially if you're willing to neglect and overlook the former.

Aug 18, 2017

The plight of foreign people is the responsibility of their country. If a host nation decides to help them, they need to assimilate or leave.

We have no responsibility to help anyone. The leaders in Europe have betrayed their people and hopefully one day, will be held responsible.

Eastern Europe has it right. Accept no refuges. Put up a fence and deploy the military.

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Aug 18, 2017

Just different worldviews. Personally, I find as much solidarity in humanity as I do in sovereignty. I like to believe that we're slouching upwards, however glacially, towards a more understanding and integral world. Humans began their stay on this planet in isolated bands, then evolved into small tribes and villages, then to ancient city states, to feudal empires, now sovereign nations, and perhaps eventually a networked global village.

This approach seems like retrograde tribalism in a modern dress to me. Maybe this makes me a global elitist, or a romantic idealist, but in place of religion it's the story I tell myself-- it serves it purpose not necessarily be being true but by prodding me towards a more thoughtful, well-meaning way of life.

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Aug 18, 2017

still waiting on those suggestions...

Aug 18, 2017

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