as you can tell by the comments, there are tons. taking the BB or bust approach is like not going to college unless you get into HYP. nothing wrong with wanting to go BB but understand that there are many other great options out there and that you even might prefer and/or perform better at a MM or boutique

 

Besides the BB's, there are the "Elite Boutiques" which consist of:

Evercore, Greenhill, Moelis, Centerview, Qatalyst, Blackstone, Perella Weinberg, Lazard

Then there is everyone else. Which is thousands of investment banks.

HLHZ, Jefferies, Rothschild, etc.

Maybe if you gave us a region where you'd like to work and a specific industry/product group, we can help more.

For instance non-BB tech in bay area... etc.

-- "Those who say don't know, and those who know don't say."
 
dukeofduke:
ALL non-BB banks are complete shit except the following:

"Evercore, Greenhill, Moelis, Centerview, Qatalyst, Blackstone, Perella Weinberg, Lazard" - nutsaboutWS (although I don't know about Qatalyst)

Anyone who says otherwise has an inferiority complex and would rather work at a BB than whatever bullshit boutique they posted. Houlihan Lokey, are you kidding me son, who would do MM over BB.

uhhh anyone who was dead-set on restructuring would pick HLHZ over the majority of BB's. Ever heard of Rothschild? Never heard of Qatalyst either huh?

the real question is: who would pick a regional southern school like Duke over any decent school in the northeast or the west coast?

 
Solidarity:
dukeofduke:
ALL non-BB banks are complete shit except the following:

"Evercore, Greenhill, Moelis, Centerview, Qatalyst, Blackstone, Perella Weinberg, Lazard" - nutsaboutWS (although I don't know about Qatalyst)

Anyone who says otherwise has an inferiority complex and would rather work at a BB than whatever bullshit boutique they posted. Houlihan Lokey, are you kidding me son, who would do MM over BB.

uhhh anyone who was dead-set on restructuring would pick HLHZ over the majority of BB's. Ever heard of Rothschild? Never heard of Qatalyst either huh?

the real question is: who would pick a regional southern school like Duke over any decent school in the northeast or the west coast?

Hahaha of course I've heard of Rothschild and Qatalyst. I just don't think they're on the same level as Lazard and BX, nor do I think they're good enough to be on par with the decent BB's. HLHZ was what Houlihan Lokey was called maybe 10 years ago? They've changed their name, try to keep up with the times.

And I don't go to Duke. I go to a real target (Harvard, Wharton, Princeton) - but don't make fun of the school my family likes to be generous to.

 

there are a lot of good MM/boutiques out there and it really depends on the person who chooses which place fits his/her personality better. I have seen dumb/brilliant guys in both MM and BBs

 

We know the HZ got dropped. Qatalyst shits on tier 3 BB's. If I wanted Tech PE, I would take it over most groups at MS/GS/JPM.

Get to a top group, then you can talk. But by then, you'll probably not be so ignorant.

-- "Those who say don't know, and those who know don't say."
 
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nutsaboutWS:
We know the HZ got dropped. Qatalyst shits on tier 3 BB's. If I wanted Tech PE, I would take it over most groups at MS/GS/JPM.

Get to a top group, then you can talk. But by then, you'll probably not be so ignorant.

Here's the thing about Qatalyst - yes, they are crushing (for the uninitiated, check sell-side advisor on Data Domain, 3PAR, Isilon, Netezza, Compellent, Atheros, etc.) - but they are currently doing only sellsides - granted, it's nice because you're more likely to get paid in that situation versus a buyside, but it's something to consider when you think about banks (what skill set do you want to acquire, etc.). Not trying to knock them by any means, great group of people, top to bottom, just wanted to make sure that the prospective and current monkeys out there are informed.
 

DaCarez -- what boutiques are consistently winning buy-side mandates?

dukeofduke --again, you completely missed the point. Houlihan and Rothschild have better restructuring groups than BB's. Arbitrarily assigning "prestige points" to certain banks has very little meaning.

to be honest, I'm sorry that you have such an inferiority complex. I'm assuming you're a Wharton kid. The Harvard and Princeton kids I know wouldn't give a rat's ass about this.

 

Solidarity - can't say for certain, it's been my observation that buysides are more relationship-/favor-driven - i.e. this banker got shafted on a previous deal for me, let me give him this buyside, etc. or I like this guy, I've worked with him for a long time, so who else would I call for that

 

Sorry, I was thinking about it more from within the BB framework, not as much BB vs. boutique. Question is whether the buyer (strategic, sponsor deals tend to go to BBs for this reason) needs financing? If Yes, then they'll more likely than not hire a BB with a giant balance sheet (see: AT&T hiring JPM along with GHL and EVR), at which point it becomes a mix of terms along with the above relationships / will-my-board-buy-into-my-choice-of-advisor.

 

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