I smoked for eight years and quit two months ago: and I agree with this. While it is gratifying to do so, it seems that drinking the libertarian ideological kool-aid overwhelms common sense:

SMOKING IS BAD FOR YOU AND IS THE TOP CAUSE OF PREVENTABLE DEATH

Get busy living
 
Nobama88:
UFO, everyone knows smoking is bad for you. They do not need to force corporations to put dead bodies covering 20% of the package on cig boxes. Its absurd. If you dont know cigs are bad, then we need to let Darwins theory play out...

What is next? Force fast food joints to put pictures of a dead persons blocked arteries? I mean, if you would just eat your govt mandated food "plate" (for most of us it was known as the food pyramid, but that was not good enough so they spent a couple million dollars to 'research' and change it) then you could stop all kinds of health problems and risk!

Hell, lets not stop there... lets force all gun companies to put labels on the guns reminding the user that guns can kill people! Heck we can do the same for.... cars, phones (brain cancer / texting and driving / etc), alcohol... oh boy!

You have got to be kidding me, these warnings are common throughout the rest of the world, but only in the US is it considered communist...where the hell do you people get this shit from?

 
awm55:
Nobama88:
UFO, everyone knows smoking is bad for you. They do not need to force corporations to put dead bodies covering 20% of the package on cig boxes. Its absurd. If you dont know cigs are bad, then we need to let Darwins theory play out...

What is next? Force fast food joints to put pictures of a dead persons blocked arteries? I mean, if you would just eat your govt mandated food "plate" (for most of us it was known as the food pyramid, but that was not good enough so they spent a couple million dollars to 'research' and change it) then you could stop all kinds of health problems and risk!

Hell, lets not stop there... lets force all gun companies to put labels on the guns reminding the user that guns can kill people! Heck we can do the same for.... cars, phones (brain cancer / texting and driving / etc), alcohol... oh boy!

You have got to be kidding me, these warnings are common throughout the rest of the world, but only in the US is it considered communist...where the hell do you people get this shit from?

Most of the rest of the world is a shit box compared to the USA, what's your point?

You really are the epitome of big government telling you what to do aren't you?

 

What pisses me the fuck off is that obama is using tax dollars to fight a battle with his own personal monsters.

Unmanaged stress is the top cause of all illnesses leading to death - heart disease, cancers, and infections due to lowered immunity.

Nicotine is nature's best antidepressant - it upregulates pretty much all brain chemicals without the side effects of the pharmacopeic anti-depressants, and other compounds in the tobacco inhibit MAO activity; moreover it increases memory, concentration, and alertness, and can change its profile from a stimulant to sedative/pain killer depending on the blood concentration. It also reduces breast cancer and delays onset of parkinson's disease.

And get this - nicotine does not have cancer causing properties, it's the combustion byproducts of cigarette smoke that do. Living in a big city with lots of car is worse for your lungs than moderately smoking.

More is good, all is better
 
Argonaut:
Awm, the rest of the world used giant pics of sick shit on packs of cigarettes?
Yea I think 30 other countries have something similar. I know Egyptian and some other med. area countries have similar pictures.
If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses - Henry Ford
 

That's fucking disgusting. I'm pretty sure smokers will soon learn to ignore the graphic images and that shit will only continue to bother non-smokers. Kinda makes me wanna start smoking and keep out the pack with the pic of disgusting mantits everywhere I go

More is good, all is better
 

This is just a ridiculous comparison. Smoking being bad for your health and causing all those problems shown on the warning label is SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN FACT, whereas Obama representing "big government" is an opinion and the implication that Obama will make people in America live they are in North Korea is whatever the opposite of a fact is.

 
Michael Scarn:
This is just a ridiculous comparison. Smoking being bad for your health and causing all those problems shown on the warning label is SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN FACT, whereas Obama representing "big government" is an opinion and the implication that Obama will make people in America live they are in North Korea is whatever the opposite of a fact is.

Oh, you poor little monkey, you. Stating that big government isn't bad for you, someone hasn't heard of the word democide. Ask yourself, "How many people has smoking killed" and then ask how many people a strong central government has killed. http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE5.HTM

"Collecting data on democide was an horrendous task. I soon was overwhelmed by the unbelievable repetitiveness of regime after regime, ruler after ruler, murdering people under their control or rule by shooting, burial alive, burning, hanging, knifing, starvation, flaying, beating, torture, and so on and on. Year after year. Not hundreds, not thousands, not tens of thousands of these people, but millions and millions. Almost 170,000,000 of them, and this is only what appears a reasonable middle estimate. The awful toll may even reach above 300,000,000, the equivalent in dead of a nuclear war stretched out over decades."

I gotta leave for work right now so no time to look for an exact number, but this guy has been researching democide for many years and how a strong central government ends up being the number one killer where ever it forms. The number is 225-250 million I believe.

"Just to give perspective on this incredible murder by government, if all these bodies were laid head to toe, with the average height being 5', then they would circle the earth ten times. Also, this democide murdered 6 times more people than died in combat in all the foreign and internal wars of the century. Finally, given popular estimates of the dead in a major nuclear war, this total democide is as though such a war did occur, but with its dead spread over a century."

The WHO states, "Tobacco caused 100 million deaths in the 20th century." Now this number seems significantly smaller than the previous. Also you have to understand the difference, this is from people who WANTED to smoke. Big government kills people who don't wanna die, smoking kills people who figure knocking off 10 years at the end of their life is fine, they don't care for being old. These are people who would rather enjoy smoking now and die from cancer many years down the line.

 

A lot of things are bad for your health. Is smoking really worse for your health than many other things in all cases? Sugar rots your teeth a lot faster than cigarettes and unconciously grinding your teeth from stress also tends to erode them.

More is good, all is better
 

It's someone's opinion Scarn, They're not saying big government is scientifically proven to be bad for your health. Read between the lines.

And step up monkey shit-ter, it's war.

"You stop being an asshole when it sucks to be you." -IlliniProgrammer "Your grammar made me wish I'd been aborted." -happypantsmcgee
 

Guys, stop it. The government knows what is best for you. Whenever you are about to do something, make sure to call up 1-800-US Government and ask for permission.

Guys, remember. Because the rest of the world wants to graphically show us pictures, even though we know the consequences and as free people, decide to take a risk, it is cool. What the rest of the world does, makes everything ok.

Just wait until pictures of crying little girls, who had their dad die of high blood pressure, are pasted on salt containers. Uncle Sam just watching out for you.

Socialism is simply control freaks in power. Sorry guys. YOU DONT KNOW WHAT IS BEST FOR ME.

 

Once again people. Libertarians support freedom and choice. The people who support these pictures on cigarettes dont think you are adult enough to make your own decisions.

I believe in freedom and personal responsibility. This makes me 1) a fascist 2) a devil and 3) an ignorant moron.

 
ANT:
Once again people. Libertarians support freedom and choice. The people who support these pictures on cigarettes dont think you are adult enough to make your own decisions.

I believe in freedom and personal responsibility. This makes me 1) a fascist 2) a devil and 3) an ignorant moron.

3. Every time, #3.

"You stop being an asshole when it sucks to be you." -IlliniProgrammer "Your grammar made me wish I'd been aborted." -happypantsmcgee
 
leveredarb:
Whenever I think Americans couldn't get more estranged from the rest of the world I get proven wrong lol. But never mind guys you are number one whatever you do must be correct.

I definitely can't speak for everyone in the US, but a good number of Americans hold this view. And it's true, we are #1, and we can do whatever we want. I'm definitely not condoning that.

As far as being estranged, that isn't an issue to most Americans. A lot of them really just don't care, and once again, they don't have to. I'm still not condoning this..

"You stop being an asshole when it sucks to be you." -IlliniProgrammer "Your grammar made me wish I'd been aborted." -happypantsmcgee
 

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