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Oct 1, 2013

Hope you're referring to the thugs on 2 wheels when you say douches...

Not sure what the rider was doing brake checking a 2 ton SUV, but it was unfortunate that he was hit. To respond by attacking the vehicle and chasing the family inside though manhattan while trying to break into the vehicle is despicable. This isn't GTA. Use the procedures put in place, and things will be be relatively fine.

Jul 23, 2014

Yes @hamm0 is right. The rider is on a bike and the driver is in a 3,500+ pound SUV. How do they think this story ends? They want to go 180 and do stunts I say go for it, but do it in the proper place, not being a jackass on a crowded street.

Oct 1, 2013

I would have ran over as many of those shit heads as I could have.

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Oct 1, 2013

These guys are embarrassing.

My first response was that if some idiot hits someone on a bike through gross negligence and tries to run, I am not going to feel too terrible if they get roughed up.

But these guys were idiots. Someone brake-checked a Range Rover, then tried to attack the guy. The poor guy runs away (though he does knock over a motorcycle in the process) and a group of 300 riders chase him until they have him cornered. One of them then uses his helmet to shatter his window and drags him out of the car.

Other videos from the same day show these guys driving on sidewalks, running red lights, popping wheelies, and doing burnouts in times square. While some of that sounds a little fun, they should not be surprised when someone gets hit by a car.

Note that the wife and child walked away unharmed.

Oct 1, 2013

Looks like Rover guy wasn't targeted randomly though. The bikers were driving slow as a group. Rover guy bumps the biker in front of him (probably on purpose for driving so slow and general annoyance that anyone would have to a huge group of bikers). The bikers stop. Biker who got bumped approaches driver's window.

Then Rover guy for whatever reason (maybe he was actually scared- what with group bravado of potential street thugs setting in) speeds off, technically leaving the scene of an accident- and actually runs OVER another bike. They chase him down and only then does all the biker thuggery begin.

As a whole, the biker's behavior was worse and unlike Rover guy, they weren't scared for their life/wife/child. But Rover guy was frankly a dumbass for how he acted in the beginning.

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Oct 1, 2013

You clearly didn't even watch the video. The biker was breaking intentionally in front of the Rover to fuck with the driver, for whatever reason. The Rover guy did nothing wrong because his assumption was that the biker wasn't a complete dumbass. Watch the video again, the biker continuously looks back and tries to break in front of the SUV.

Oct 1, 2013
TeddyTheBear:

You clearly didn't even watch the video. The biker was breaking intentionally in front of the Rover to fuck with the driver, for whatever reason. The Rover guy did nothing wrong because his assumption was that the biker wasn't a complete dumbass. Watch the video again, the biker continuously looks back and tries to break in front of the SUV.

If they were slowing down- they did it as a group, because the biker who was bumped was going about the same speed as the others. Then they all stop. Cruz, the one was bumped, approaches the driver side window. Then the SUV suddenly speeds off, leaving the scene of an accident- and actually driving OVER a motorcycle and paralyzing Meises. Then the biker chase follows.

Not excusing the bikers. They may have started it, but Rover guy did the first actually illegal actions. A group of street thugs is naturally going to chase you down after you run over one of their own- whether it was because you were scared or not. I just feel bad for Meises- for all we know he was a good man just enjoying a bike ride, and not trying to agitate anyone. At the same time, I'm glad Rover guy wasn't critically hurt.

Oct 1, 2013
TeddyTheBear:

Gets you wondering how many douches exist

I believe that the proper term is "fag".

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fag

As defined by South Park.

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Oct 1, 2013

This reminds me of when I was driving a lexus suv in Jakarta and a motorcyclist cut in front of me so close that their bike was dragged underneath my car. I was immediately surrounded by dozens of motorcyclists onlookers. I didn't even know if the motorcyclist I hit was ok, but I was so afraid to get out of the car and check because if people saw that I was a white guy, I would immediately feel the wrath of the local mob. Luckily, with the help of other motorcyclists, the one who I hit managed to get out from under my car, and then (to my surprise) sped off - fleeing the scene.

Maybe it was obvious enough that it was not me who caused the accident and the motorcyclist did not want to be responsible to pay for my damage.. however, that was a really terrible moment when I thought I was on the brink of getting my ass kicked by an angry local mob for something I did not cause.

Oct 1, 2013

It's on Dealbreakers. Supposedly he, rover guy, is a banker or ex banker.

Oct 1, 2013

If the SUV driver is punished for anything, it will be for not running over enough of these people.

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Oct 1, 2013

I would've done the same thing as the RR driver, the injured bikers got what they deserved. So what if one's an engineer with 2 kids? He obviously doesn't have the brains to not hang out with the wrong crowd. Fuck him, if I feel like my family is in immediate danger, I would run them over without question.

And this is coming from a guy who's actually into crotch rockets, it's these type of morons who give a bad rep.

Oct 2, 2013
Y2A:

I would've done the same thing as the RR driver, the injured bikers got what they deserved. So what if one's an engineer with 2 kids? He obviously doesn't have the brains to not hang out with the wrong crowd. Fuck him, if I feel like my family is in immediate danger, I would run them over without question.

And this is coming from a guy who's actually into crotch rockets, it's these type of morons who give a bad rep.

If you've ever reached speeds unspecified going down a quiet highway late at night after doubling back to check for the police once or twice, you're not allowed to judge these guys too much for foolish behavior. Note that I am not judging them too much.

My phrasing is that I am not surprised that the guy who brake-checked got hit.

I am not sure what the paralyzed guy should have done differently.

I am not sure what RR guy should have done differently.

This is part of why I don't like group rides.

Oct 2, 2013
IlliniProgrammer:
Y2A:

I would've done the same thing as the RR driver, the injured bikers got what they deserved. So what if one's an engineer with 2 kids? He obviously doesn't have the brains to not hang out with the wrong crowd. Fuck him, if I feel like my family is in immediate danger, I would run them over without question.

And this is coming from a guy who's actually into crotch rockets, it's these type of morons who give a bad rep.

If you've ever reached speeds unspecified going down a quiet highway late at night after doubling back to check for the police once or twice, you're not allowed to judge these guys too much for foolish behavior. Note that I am not judging them too much.

My phrasing is that I am not surprised that the guy who brake-checked got hit.

I am not sure what the paralyzed guy should have done differently.

I am not sure what RR guy should have done differently.

This is part of why I don't like group rides.

What they should've done differently is not put themselves in this situation. By going on a group ride with people that have a history of doing stupid things, you're inviting trouble.

This particular group seems to have a run in with a vehicle (or more) every year during this cruise.

Oct 2, 2013

Whether the paralyzed biker was a punk ass or not, he was a part of collateral damage & in the wrong place at the wrong time. They were denting the RR with their helmets and also slashed the RR's tires. Can you blame the RR driver for panicking and driving off? He apparently had to exit the highway at W 178th St a few minutes later b/c his tires were in such bad shape. These punks (apparently with nothing better to do around home) tried to gather up in Times Square, but were met with 15 arrests, 55 motorbikes confiscated & 68 summonses issued. Hollywood Stuntz is their name - sounds like the new GTA game got them overexcited.

Oct 2, 2013

Police received 200 calls about these brolos in 4 hours on Sunday. Over under on how long until Bloomberg bans motorcycles?

If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses - Henry Ford

Oct 2, 2013

He had a 2 year old child in the car. I would of run over every one of them. They tried to pull him out of the car, were slashing his tires, and in the end he got his face beat in.

Oct 2, 2013

Anyone else curious why the range rover didn't call the police?

Personally I would've tried to hit as many bikers as I could if they were chasing me on the highway.

Oct 2, 2013
abcdefghij:

Anyone else curious why the range rover didn't call the police?

Personally I would've tried to hit as many bikers as I could if they were chasing me on the highway.

Panic most likely, and even if he did then what? He's driving so fast he probably can't get a good pinpoint on the location.

speed boost blaze

Oct 2, 2013

I thought he called 911?

Oct 2, 2013

If you are part of a bike gang named "Hollywood Stuntz" , you are probably a douchebag and deserve to get run over. What the cunts were doing was COMPLETELY unjustified, just starting a shit fest on the highway for no reason. Anyone with common sense would have done same as the RR guy... My 2 y.o cousin gets scared when someone drops something by accident, imagine a group of wild Ron Jeremys smashing the car and beating her father in front of her eyes........

PS: RR guy is a VP at Credit Suisse

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Oct 2, 2013

"a group of wild Ron Jeremys"

LOL, not sure why that made me laugh so much.

Oct 2, 2013

The biker who got ran over has a Facebook page looking for justice.

Lesson of the day kids? Don't intentionally brake check a SUV and then get butt hurt about being hit. Then, don't have your loser friends attack the SUV, surround it and then proceed to slash his tires. If this is happening and you aren't part of it don't park your bike and watch and hang around. If you do then expect to be run over.

Guy had the welfare of his wife and child to worry about. They beat him, cut him and dragged him from the car. Only mistake this guy made was not taking out more of these idiots.

Oct 2, 2013
TNA:

The biker who got ran over has a Facebook page looking for justice.

Lesson of the day kids? Don't intentionally brake check a SUV and then get butt hurt about being hit. Then, don't have your loser friends attack the SUV, surround it and then proceed to slash his tires. If this is happening and you aren't part of it don't park your bike and watch and hang around. If you do then expect to be run over.

Guy had the welfare of his wife and child to worry about. They beat him, cut him and dragged him from the car. Only mistake this guy made was not taking out more of these idiots.

1.) The guy who brake checked the SUV is doing just fine. Except for the fact that he has been arraigned for reckless driving. (fair)

2.) The guy in the ICU who is paralyzed stopped after the accident and pulled over. He was minding his own business. Until range rover dude clipped him.

Two different people.

Hollywood Stuntz is an idiotic event that happens once a year in NYC, replete with cyclists riding on sidewalks, terrorizing pedestrians, running red lights, and doing burnouts in times square to the point that the entire block is filled with smoke. Not to mention riding non-street-legal vehicles (such as ATVs on the road) and operating without license plates.

I am not surprised something like this happened.

For everyone but the guy in the ICU, this is probably karma.

For the guy in the ICU, this is patently unfair.

This is why I don't like group rides, why I don't lane split at more than 10 mph, and why I've only taken my motorcycle on the sidewalk once. (For the record, I was waiting half an hour to make a right turn near the Holland tunnel. In exasperation, I shut off the engine, got off the bike, and carefully walked it onto the sidewalk, around the corner, and back onto the street.)

Oct 2, 2013

These bikers are trash and I am disappointed this RR guy did not run over more of them to teach them a lesson. Now they're going to bitch and moan about this paralyzed douchebag and try to tell the world what a "good and caring kid" he was, how he had nothing to do with the incident, and how it wasn't his fault he was involved with bad people.

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Oct 2, 2013

LOL, This shit makes me laugh. I'm going put a cattle plow on my jeep for situations like this.

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Oct 2, 2013

I would love to have seen this exact same scenario in a state with concealed carry laws.

If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses - Henry Ford

Oct 2, 2013
happypantsmcgee:

I would love to have seen this exact same scenario in a state with concealed carry laws.

Good point. Lien and several bikers would have been dead.

For reasons like this, NYC is not responsible enough for, or capable of, concealed carry. Actually, this is more like Newark or East Orange NJ not being capable of concealed carry and bringing their problems into NYC.

Oct 2, 2013

The guy who got ran over was part of the crew involved with the incident. If I go out with gang bangers, but mind my own business, I am still involved.

Everyone should have kept driving except for the dude "hit" and maybe a buddy of his. Everyone stopped creating a sense of this guy being surrounded. Then this "innocent" guys buddies started attacking the RR and slashing tires. If I was seeing this I would have gotten the fuck out of the way.

Don't hang with criminals if you don't want to get caught up in their crimes.

Oct 2, 2013
TNA:

The guy who got ran over was part of the crew involved with the incident. If I go out with gang bangers, but mind my own business, I am still involved.

Yay! Guilt by association. You either believe in deontological ethics and believe people should keep the money they make and deserve to be punished for their crimes rather than the crimes others, or you don't.

Everyone should have kept driving except for the dude "hit" and maybe a buddy of his. Everyone stopped creating a sense of this guy being surrounded. Then this "innocent" guys buddies started attacking the RR and slashing tires. If I was seeing this I would have gotten the fuck out of the way.

Yeah, but that's because you're smart.

Don't hang with criminals if you don't want to get caught up in their crimes.

Still doesn't mean this guy deserved to be paralyzed the rest of his life. Though I'm not sure what I would have done differently if I were the RR dude.

Oct 2, 2013

IlliniProgrammer vs TNA - classic duel of the titans. Should be fun to see how long the responses get; over under 6 paragraphs?

speed boost blaze

Oct 2, 2013

I would have ran over as many as I could and when I couldn't get away, since I"m in Texas and I carry a gun, lead would have started flying.

Oct 2, 2013
txjustin:

I would have ran over as many as I could and when I couldn't get away, since I"m in Texas and I carry a gun, lead would have started flying.

And if you were in Texas, this would have ended with a bullet from their side too. And after you got the gun out, the guy who shot you would be justified under stand your ground ala GZ.

I am all for the right to carry a gun, but we need to rethink stand your ground. There needs to be a separate, lesser charge, for killing someone in self defense but being a complete idiot about it.

Oct 2, 2013
IlliniProgrammer:
txjustin:

I would have ran over as many as I could and when I couldn't get away, since I"m in Texas and I carry a gun, lead would have started flying.

And if you were in Texas, this would have ended with a bullet from their side too. And after you got the gun out, the guy who shot you would be justified under stand your ground ala GZ.

I am all for the right to carry a gun, but we need to rethink stand your ground. There needs to be a separate, lesser charge, for killing someone in self defense but being a complete idiot about it.

Dude this is a joke. You think these guys, obviously criminals, dont have guns because of the laws in NYC. Really? The laws that they are so happy to follow like not pulling someone out of a car and slashing his face with a knife (which was illegal). Criminals break laws. Thats what makes them criminals.

If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses - Henry Ford

Oct 2, 2013

Possibly, but point being I would kill them in that position with the evidence I've seen. It's fight or flight. After flight comes fight.

Disagree on your view on stand your ground. It shouldn't be all ecompassing, sure.

Oct 2, 2013
txjustin:

Possibly, but point being I would kill them in that position with the evidence I've seen. It's fight or flight. After flight comes fight.

Disagree on your view on stand your ground. It shouldn't be all ecompassing, sure.

A lot of people who ride bikes carry guns. Sure, not in the Northeast where it's illegal, but in many other parts of the country. I'm not sure what the association is, besides the fact that guys are more likely to ride and guys are more likely to own guns, although I've seen some people claim they want to defend themselves against "vehicular assault."

This guy walked away. Had it been you, and you had gotten out a gun and started shooting, and the ~300 bikers also had a few people with weapons on them in a concealed carry state, you'd have maybe gotten off one round before taking a bullet.

This was a case where cooler heads meant this guy walked away with a few bruises and a mildly traumatized family rather than a kid walking away without a dad.

Justin if you ever find yourself surrounded by 50 angry people who may also have weapons, do me a favor and keep your gun out of sight. If you're cornered by a drug addict or 1-2 muggers or if there's a single guy running through a mall with an AR15, have at it. But there's no winning against 50 people.

Oct 2, 2013

Way too many words for a simple argument. The RR guy was surrounded and attacked by a mob of bikers. This dude was part of the mob. There was countless complaints about the group as a whole, of which he was part. This guy was part of the problem and he got caught up in it.

I'll save my tears for someone who is truly innocent, not some dude who was part of a bad crew that got caught up in their actions.

And guilt by association? Get real. If I drive a get away car I am an accomplice. If I am with someone who robs a house, go get a sandwich and come back to find him killing people, I am an accomplice.

Also, look at the video. This guy was right in the thick of things. He wasn't a block down the road. And yeah, he probably wasn't smart and avoiding the situation. But ignorance is no excuse either.

Oct 2, 2013

Dude walked away because cooler heads prevailed? Get real.

He was yanked out of the car, beaten, slashed and had his head stomped on the ground. He survived out of sheer luck, no other reason.

I am indifferent on him having a gun. IMO, he had something better aka the Range. Run over more of these losers.

Oct 2, 2013
TNA:

Dude walked away because cooler heads prevailed? Get real.

He was yanked out of the car, beaten, slashed and had his head stomped on the ground. He survived out of sheer luck, no other reason.

I am indifferent on him having a gun. IMO, he had something better aka the Range. Run over more of these losers.

I am saying that had this been Texas, had he gotten a gun out and started shooting at a group of 50 people who were all potentially carrying weapons, he would have been shot.

Also this:

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/02/2078327...

Allen Edwards, who turned himself into police, actually may have tried to help the SUV driver -- who was chased 50 blocks and then beaten after a fender-bender with one of the riders, sources told NBC New York.

A third rider, Edwin "Jay" Mieses, 33, is in critical condition with a crushed spine after being run over as Lien sped away from the gang surrounding and pounding on the Range Rover during Sunday's clash in upper Manhattan.

"There's no hope for his back," his wife Dayana Meises told reporters. "They broke it in two different places, so he will be forever, forever paralyzed."

Mieses' aunt, Delilah Domenech, told NBC News her nephew was "an innocent bystander" in the confrontation and only got off his bike to check on Cruz after he was clipped by Lien.

Oct 2, 2013

So let me get this straight IP, I should just assume they are gonna rough me up a little and I should take that? Ya, I'm not gonna do that.

I'm well away that bikers, and all legal citizens where it's legal carry guns. I'm friends with several bikers. And not these rice rocket riding thugs.

Oct 2, 2013

Why do I give a shit what a dudes aunt says about him? I'm sure Pol Pots mother thought he was a gem too. Video evidence > what your nana says about you.

You also arent allowing for the idea that, maybe, if the riders had to entertain the idea that citizens are armed, they wouldnt go around fucking with everyone.

If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses - Henry Ford

Oct 2, 2013
happypantsmcgee:

Why do I give a shit what a dudes aunt says about him? I'm sure Pol Pots mother thought he was a gem too. Video evidence > what your nana says about you.

You also arent allowing for the idea that, maybe, if the riders had to entertain the idea that citizens are armed, they wouldnt go around fucking with everyone.

Can you point anything out from this video where the guy was causing trouble. My understanding is that he was on the bike that got flipped over by the range rover as he was sitting there 100 yards away, not knowing what was going on other than the ride stopped.

You also arent allowing for the idea that, maybe, if the riders had to entertain the idea that citizens are armed, they wouldnt go around fucking with everyone.

They're in a group of 300 people. One of them nearly ran a police officer over on 6th ave. The odds of one of them getting shot by someone is high; the odds of a given individual getting shot by them is fairly low. These guys are also stunters and take a fair amount of risk on a daily basis. They're also not that bright. So a gun is a fairly ineffective deterrent against them anyways.

Moral of the story: if you don't want to be attacked by a mob of angry people, don't get a gun- join a mob of angry people. Actually I've found that nearly any from others deterrence is reduced by a factor of 1/n or 1/sqrt(n) of the people in your group. If one biker is doing 85 in a 65, he gets a ticket. If ten people on bikes are doing 155 in a 55, they all get stopped and are asked to slow down.

Of course for me the real deterrent is in the inherent risk of doing this stuff. Which is why I am not a fan of group rides.

Oct 2, 2013

I have no doubt this guy wasn't part of the direct crew fucking up this dudes car, but when you roll out with a group of bikers who had over 200 reported complaints that day you take some risks.

And this dude was close enough to see what was happening and should have gotten out of the way. Once again, you roll with a bad crew and shit happens.

Oct 2, 2013

I will never understand how you have the time for this.

Also, define not doing anything. Was he actively trying to destroy the dudes car? No. Was he with people who were and dressed/riding in a similar fashion? Yes. Did he try to help the guy who was about to have the shit kicked out of him in front of his family? No.

There are dozens of ways to look at this but calling the guy who got hurt some completely innocent family man is intellectually dishonest and just ridiculous. If you want to stay safe, dont associate with people who, in every literally sense of the term, go looking for trouble. The old adage 'No one has ever been arrested for singing to loud in church' applies.

If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses - Henry Ford

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Oct 2, 2013
happypantsmcgee:

Also, define not doing anything. Was he actively trying to destroy the dudes car? No. Was he with people who were and dressed/riding in a similar fashion? Yes. Did he try to help the guy who was about to have the shit kicked out of him in front of his family? No.

1.) He was a football field away with ~100 running motorcycle engines between him and the car.
2.) I'm not even sure he was aware what was going on. Other than people stopped.
3.) Who cares how he was dressed?

I'm not sure I'd have done anything different than range rover dude; I still feel bad for the guy who got paralyzed.

Oct 2, 2013
IlliniProgrammer:
happypantsmcgee:

Also, define not doing anything. Was he actively trying to destroy the dudes car? No. Was he with people who were and dressed/riding in a similar fashion? Yes. Did he try to help the guy who was about to have the shit kicked out of him in front of his family? No.

1.) He was a football field away with ~100 running motorcycle engines between him and the car.

2.) I'm not even sure he was aware what was going on. Other than people stopped.

3.) Who cares how he was dressed?

I'm not sure I'd have done anything different than range rover dude; I still feel bad for the guy who got paralyzed.

I care what hes wearing. Its called association. If dudes wearing blue are trying to kill me and you're close to me, hanging out with those dudes and wearing the same shade of blue, I am probably going to lump them in with you.

Whatever dude, he was completely free from guilt, you're right. Go study or something man, you have entirely too much time to kill on the internet.

If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses - Henry Ford

Oct 2, 2013

IP, This could have been solved by one bullet. If you are going to pull your gun on a mob like this, you put one bullet directly into the head of the nearest mob member. They will stand down real fucking fast when they realize you aren't fucking around. Now I am not advocating that you do that anytime. But if you are cornered by a huge mob that is completely out of control that is what you do. I will take my .45 and my training over a huge mob of thugs whom one could reasonably assume that they have no real weapons training and are far more likely to shoot one of their own then shoot you.

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Oct 2, 2013
heister:

IP, This could have been solved by one bullet. If you are going to pull your gun on a mob like this, you put one bullet directly into the head of the nearest mob member. They will stand down real fucking fast when they realize you aren't fucking around. Now I am not advocating that you do that anytime. But if you are cornered by a huge mob that is completely out of control that is what you do. I will take my .45 and my training over a huge mob of thugs whom one could reasonably assume that they have no real weapons training and are far more likely to shoot one of their own then shoot you.

If nobody has a gun. Otherwise, they get their guns out and shoot you before you shoot someone else. It's called self-defense. This has now gone from a situation where an angry mob is chasing you to a situation where, to them, you look like the guy carrying the AR15 through the mall shooting people. And just like you'd do, they're going to get out their weapons and take you out before you shoot anyone else.

You keep assuming that bikers don't carry guns, which trust me, isn't the case. The average biker is more likely to have a gun than the average member of the public, at least based on my anecdotal experience.

Oct 2, 2013

No, its called shock psychology. I've seen it happen. I've seen videos of groups of armed mobs actively attacking people they think are weak and easy targets. In one of the videos they guy getting attacked pulls out a pistol and blasts one of the attackers in the head. The rest of the mob scatters, and many of them even had guns.

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Oct 2, 2013

Ok, let me address the points from both sides here.

First of all, I live in Texas and having concealed carry is good, but if the driver was in Texas, what makes you think the bikers won't be carrying?

As for the biker being paralyzed, he didn't deserve it because he was trying to help his friend. He should have been cited and and given a huge fine for obstructing traffic. I think that would have been fair. The only person that deserved to be paralyzed was the guy that kept break-checking the SUV. Not the person who tried to help him up.

Oct 2, 2013

This whole thread just went full on retard

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Oct 2, 2013

I mean that is unfair. The SUV got bogged down in traffic and they smashed his windows in with their helmets. A little child was in the back.

These guys are a menace. I'm sorry, but defending these people is a far stretch. I'd never be associated with people like this.

Oct 2, 2013

Where is Rhet with a grenade when you need him?

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Oct 2, 2013

IP, the whole point is this guy nearly died. They pulled a knife on him. I'd rather roll the dice and die with at least a handful of these dirt bags in the ground with me.

It isn't not having a gun that saved him. It is sheer luck.

Oct 2, 2013
TNA:

IP, the whole point is this guy nearly died. They pulled a knife on him. I'd rather roll the dice and die with at least a handful of these dirt bags in the ground with me.

It isn't not having a gun that saved him. It is sheer luck.

THEM not having guns may have been what saved him. That and the NYPD and the bikers who stopped the mob.

Oct 2, 2013

Your logic is a negative circle. If you keep negating what "could" have happened because of X then you can keep going back and saying, the guy could not be paralyzed if he didn't partake in the ride that day. The RR guy could not have had to go through all of that if he would have left the house 10 min before or after he did. But guess what, it happened. No use crying over spilled milk. Besides I feel no sympathy for anyone that partakes in terrorizing local people just for fun. If you want to go live your biker boyz fanasty go take a fast ride off of a short pier.

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Oct 2, 2013

Whatever. Lesson of the day is roll with scumbags get crippled. Hopefully someone will strap a 600cc engine to his chair and he can resume his life of harassing people riding with dirt bags that slash tires when a dude break checking gets bumped into.

Oct 2, 2013

IP, you can dish out all scenarios, but if I'm in that situation and someone starts smashing my windows adn I can't move my vehicle, you can bet your life I'm starting to shot those attacking me. I never said anything about getting out of the vehicle, keep that in mind. I am just saying those that are actively attacking me.

Oct 4, 2013

That's totally messed up. How come there are no more videos that went viral?

Oct 7, 2013
Beny23:

That's totally messed up. How come there are no more videos that went viral?

snitches get stitches.

Oct 7, 2013

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Oct 7, 2013

I overheard the range rover guy is actually a banker

Oct 8, 2013

Another reason we need conceal carry...

Oct 9, 2013
Banker HK:

Another reason we need conceal carry...

Concealed carry would have gotten Liem killed, along with maybe 1-2 bikers.

This is more like a reason we need better criminal background checks for weapons purchases.

Regardless of how things might have played out if everyone had guns, regardless of how you feel about guns, what we do know is that in this situation, everyone who made it to the confrontation in Harlem walked away with moderate injuries in a state that doesn't allow carry.

Oct 10, 2013

I think the conceal and carry would have make people respect the boundaries. In this situation the biker knows he can't hurt them once the car is stopped, there is no immediate consequence for attacking. With firearm people tends to become a lot more polite. It is like a nuclear deterrent. Firearm essentially raise the stake and the idea is that it raise it for everyone so high everyone back off. While it is definitely not true in all cases, generally I think it works...

Oct 10, 2013

I stayed at the Ritz at Battery Park a few weeks ago and saw this same group of bikers come flying out of the tunnel (northbound) at about 10pm. They were probably doing at least 60 mph and one of them them couldn't stop to avoid the traffic they ran into. He sideswiped a taxi and then ran into the road divider. They had to carry him away. Wish I had been making a video. These guys are totally reckless.

Oct 10, 2013

I still love the "he walked away with some cuts and bruises" argument. The guy lived because he was lucky. The bikers had no intention of just roughing him up. He was dragged out of his car, beaten, stomped on the ground and had his face slashed with a blade. Could have easily died.

There were undercover cops riding with the bikers which makes this even more sickening. That and cops were told not to confront them because they wouldn't stop for the police. Glad to know cops only stop the easy criminals.

Oct 10, 2013

They were not undercover. They were two off duty cops and are being investigated by NYPD as to why they did not intervene.

Oct 11, 2013

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Oct 23, 2013
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