Bradley Manning - Nobel Peace Prize
Came across this:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/blog/2011/oct/06/b…
I dont even know what to make of this. The Nobel is becoming a joke.
Came across this:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/blog/2011/oct/06/b…
I dont even know what to make of this. The Nobel is becoming a joke.
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How do you get nominated for a Nobel anyways?
Obama got the prize. It is a complete joke.
Yep.
If I had to choose, I would have put Assange before this guy. Assange has done some things that are frustrating, but Bradley Manning is a traitor, pure and simple. The Nobel prize is a European award that is being used as a political tool.
A traitor? Were not the actions he exposed more anti american? I dont disagree that he should do the time, but if your government was doing some really nasty shit (which it has been), which is against the very essence of your nation, wouldnt you want to know about it?
I fail to see what my government was doing that was so anti American. I didn't realize that as citizens we had the right to know every single tiny detail about foreign affairs. In fact, this is exactly why we have a Federal govt. to do things that we cannot do at the state or private citizen level.
Wow, we are attacking terrorists in Yemen and the government over there is pretending that it is them doing it. Thank God that tid bit was released so the world knows now.
So glad to know that a private, who only sees the smallest part of the puzzle decided to take it on himself and release top secret data. Data that was available because the government made an effort to eliminate bottle necks and share intel with other agencies. All because these bottle necks caused agencies to miss important intel that could of prevented 9/11.
If Bradley uncovered secret memo's of the military in Milwaukee killing Americans on the street , then he would be a hero. If he uncovered memo's of the military raping little kids, he would be a hero. He uncovered day to day conversations between diplomats and other military information that is neither ground breaking or scandalous.
The last thing we need is privates thinking they know everything.
If I'm not mistaken, he got footage of an American helicopter broadsiding a hospital with rockets, and another group of knuckleheads gunning down a reporter....that's some pretty un-fucking-American shit.
I raise the treason flag for the giant fucking cache of other shit he dumped that had nothing to do with violations.
Isnt that the purpose of the Freedom of Information Act? I think if it's costing the economy millions and the citizens are bearing the brunt of the issues, I would want to know that we're there for a legitimate cause. But thats a whole other topic.
FIA is great and releases information after it is done with. This guy released info in real time.
I'll take the bait: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655 - I'll bring out some interesting bits of it for you.
as flying from Bandar Abbas, Iran, to Dubai, United Arab Emirates, when it was destroyed by the U.S. Navy's guided missile cruiser USS Vincennes, killing all 290 passengers and crew aboard, including 66 children,1
The ship's crew did not efficiently consult commercial airliner schedules, due to confusion over which time zone the schedules referred to.
The U.S. government issued notes of regret for the loss of innocent human life. The government never admitted wrongdoing, and did not accept responsibility nor submit an apology to the Iranian government.
I doubt this appears often in American history month. 300 civilians blown out the sky for no better reason than incompetence and you cant even say sorry. Do you have any idea why these countries hate you so damn much.
Exhibit B: Bradley Manning himself. Held, WITHOUT charge for one and a half years. That's against your own ****ing laws, plus those silly things you call human rights than you shove down China's throat every time you can.
C): The video you resolutely disagree with UFO on. I just watched it, and related ones:
The Pentagon blocked an attempt by Reuters to obtain the video through a freedom of information request. Wikileaks director Julian Assange said his organisation had to break through encryption by the military to view it.
One of the helicopter crew is then heard saying that one of the group is shooting. But the video shows there is no shooting or even pointing of weapons. The men are standing around, apparently unperturbed.
After ground forces arrive and the children are discovered, the American air crew blame the Iraqis. "Well it's their fault for bringing kids in to a battle," says one. "That's right," says another.
Initially the US military said that all the dead were insurgents. Then it claimed the helicopters reacted to an active firefight. Assange said that the video demonstrated that neither claim was true.
The release of the video from Baghdad also comes shortly after the US military admitted that its special forces attempted to cover up the killings of three Afghan women in a raid in February by digging the bullets out of their bodies.
Don't even START with that shit. This wouldn't be your war if you stopped sticking your nose into other peoples business. It's got burned now in Iraq and Afghanistan, and you will reap what you sow from this. I hope it was worth it.
I don't know about the hospital event, so I won't comment (you could be right), but I have seen the helicopter footage and 100% do not agree with you.
These guys saw what they thought was a threat, called it in, got authorization, fired. How were they supposed to see a camera from up there. They have reports of RPG's and saw a guy running with something that looked like a RPG from a couple hundred feet in the air.
They engaged in what they thought was an enemy. Stopped as soon as it was done and when it was realized that it was kids and non combatants in that van the US military rushed in and took them to the hospital. How anyone can watch that video and think that the military arbitrarily killed these guys is nuts. If you listen to the audio the pilots clearly thought it was a rocket and asked for authorization.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/07/world/world-nobel-peace-prize/index.html?…
Proof the Nodel is political? Maybe not but still ridiculous http://imgur.com/VFFf8
^^ ridiculous doesn't even begin to describe it. The lady's a hero.
Why is this even being debated?
The Nobel Committee are such morons, and the prize is a joke. Hell, Al Gore has won it.
And HPM, that women was a hero.
Yawm. Cover up what? Women were killed in a raid? We should of never of covered that up because it is a non event. Collateral damage.
Same thing with the copter. Looked like an RPG. Reports of firing. We neutralized the target and the van that showed up. Kids were there, but children that enter a combat zone can become collateral damage also. How about US forces rushing in and taking these kids to US medical facilities.
I am waiting for this reaping you are talking about. You piss and moan about an accidental killing, yet the atrocities being committed by Saddam and those that would of been committed would have been far worse.
This is why I think the US should never get involved. You let people get slaughtered and America gets condemned. You give people Democracy and we get condemned.
I'll make sure I save that one tear I have in a little jar just for you.
Cliff notes : Manning is never getting released. Iraq and Afghanistan will have American military presence for a long ass time. As oil and other rare earth metals become even more scarce the people of the USA will have nice foothold in the two remaining countries with both of these commodities.
I dont disagree that he should be in jail for a while, but to remain uncharged is surely illegal. If you were imprisoned without charge, wouldn't you object slightly?
America has nuked all chance of getting anything out of Afghanistan, the Taliban will be back in within a year of you pulling out the bulk of your troops. You had the war won, but then you decided to throw everything into Iraq, and lost all the ground you gained (a quote of one of your own top generals).
How much oil are you getting from Iraq vs. your cost of war?
The Iranian Nuclear reactor is now online. Once a crackpot with a suitcase and a rowing boat makes it to your coastline (probably in the same way all your cocaine slips through from south america), you'll see what you sowed. Dozens of countries, with millions of people with nothing to lose wanting nothing more than to blow american stuff up. Not a position I'd want to be in.
1) Bradley is in the military and this is a military issue.
2) It is about securing oil for the future. We have plenty now so no need to do anything with Iraq.
3) Whether we invade the ME or not, they would hate the west. This idea that we could hide and become isolationist and the ME would love us is bullshit.
I would worry more about a terrorist nuking Europe than the USA. The day that happens I fear for anyone or arabic decent. A nuclear strike will be met with a similar response. I really don't think there would be much political fall out from striking civilian centers either.
Europe is the real place of worry. We allow religious freedom in the states. I see burkas all the time. Just wait until an extremist strikes France or Italy. That is going to be the flashpoint.
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