Bulge Bracket 2015 Rankings
Here we are again. Another person has posted another useless post. But, I guarantee I am not the only one who is simple curious for shit's sake. Again, I am sure these mean nothing, but I (and I am sure many others) are just curious what others think and it would be cool to see how things vary depending on your background.
Now without further adieu, here are my rankings for the bulge bracket by NAME only (aka not by division or product etc)
1) GS/JPM
3) MS/BAML
5) CS/Barclays
7) Deutsche Bank
8) Citi
9) BNP Paribas (Even though not BB, consider it better than UBS)
10) UBS
Apples and oranges. For example: Fixed income Barcap vs Equity at Barcap.... BNP structured products Europe vs BNP advisory New York
I don't even know why I bothered commenting.
wow OP, so Piper Jaffrayish of you
Will someone from Citi run across no mans land, take a leap of courage and sling his faeces or will a GS comrade selfishly dump his excrement bucket on his MS ally for being mentioned in the same breath as if it were the French to the British? I don't know. Let the battle commence.
great list
Solid list. Well thought out. 10/10. Will read to my great grandkids on my death bed.
I would say goldman is tier 1a and MS/JPM more 1b
I would say Goldman is tier 1a i, while MS is Tier 1a ii, and JPM is 1b.
where's RBS on your ranking?
In this day in age you need to include boutiques in rankings. Especially after Heinz-Kraft.
What is Goldman Sachs?
In terms of OVERALL name brand, that ranking is more or less on the mark. But it's irrelevant since you should care about your specific group.
Who gives a shit? Get that money & move on to the next.
ado not adieu
There's really no need to comment on this, but I'm absolutely sure a sophomore or freshman will look at this and take it face value. (And hopefully not take BNP over UBS).
So, for the sake of those guys here's in my opinion a more informed "ranking" to CONSIDER only, NOT to 100% follow. For all those reading out there, it depends on group, location (London/NYC/SF/etc), etc. But seriously, having interned at a BB and did FT recruiting, I would not recommend taking OPs ranking into account.
1) GS/MS 1a) JPM (arguable, seen some peers take over MS) 2) CS 2a) BAML (arguable, seen peers take over CS) 3) Citi/Barclays/DB 4) UBS
You can look at M&A/IPO league tables etc all you want, but historical reputation, group placement, and past calibre of analysts should still be the main emphasis. CS might be 12th on the league table today and have been behind BarCap, but CS guys have even in the most recent cycle placed noticeably better than BarCap even though they have been trailing them league table wise for a while now. (Also have to take into account CS as a whole is more lean than even say BAML, etc). And exit opps are ultimately what it comes to. (As seen in BX > Everything)
Basically, it depends.
BB Rankings 2011 (Originally Posted: 03/27/2011)
I want you to rank them!
Goldman Sachs Morgan Stanley JP Morgan Credit Suisse Citi Douche Bank Barcap BAML UBS
Get ready for a bunch of losers aspiring to get BAML/UBS jobs come in here and complain about rankings being "meaningless." Yeah, sure bet you'd think that if you were at GS/MS.
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Morgan Stanley MA JP Morgan IBD Credit Suisse IBD Citi IBD Douche Bank IBD Barcap IBD BAML IBD UBS IBD
Hahah I love how you kept Douche Bank's spelling.
This is retarded. Are you really saying that there's that much of a difference between Credit Suisse and Citi? If this post is even in the slightest bit serious, you're much better off with having 3 or so tiers rather than an outright ranking.
Don't feed the trolls. It's hopeless.
This.
Lazard under BAML and UBS. Oh my god you guys are so freaking funny.
Gotta go with tiers.
Tier 1 - GS, MS, elite boutiques (not Perella. Not sure where they fit in)
Tier 2 (more like a 1b) - JPM, CS
Tier 3 - Citi (arguably tier 2), BAML, Barcap, UBS, DB
Ranking banks is so dumb, but definitely something I would expect from a Dukie
You are mistaken. I go to a target (Harvard, Princeton, Wharton - I consider the rest to be semi-targets or non-targets). I just happen to be considered royalty at Duke because of the large donations my family gives them.
I'd put Citi above CS.
Goldman Sachs Morgan Stanley JP Morgan Citi Credit Suisse Douche Bank Barcap BAML UBS
Or if we go Tiers then:
Tier 1: GS, JPM, MS Tier 2: Citi, CS Tier 3: BAML, Barcap, DB, UBS
tollolollololol
Not only is this a dumb discussion, but it's a dumb discussion that this board seems to have every week... WTF is wrong with you people?
Closing thread. Dukeofduke, either stop trolling, get better at it, or I'm going to ban you.
BB Rankings (Originally Posted: 12/31/2013)
I know many do not like these types of threads, but when I used the search function, the results were VERY old.
Anyway....
How would you rank the bulge bracket firms based on prestige?
Mine:
1) Goldman Sachs 2) Morgan Stanley 3) JP Morgan 4) Credit Suisse Group AG 5) Bank of America Merrill Lynch 6) Citigroup 7) Deutsche Bank 8) Barclays 9) UBS
1-3 and 9 will be the same for anyone. the others are pretty similar. (would personally have DB/Barclays/UBS as bottom three though).
Not sure, I would put Barclays higher up there, Citi lower, BAML lower unless you're M&A
Mine:
1) Goldman Sachs 2) Morgan Stanley 3) JP Morgan 4) Credit Suisse Group AG 5) Citigroup 6) Bank of America Merrill Lynch 7) Barclays 8) Deutsche Bank 9) UBS
GS ms jp Citi BAML CS DB Barclays UBS
It depends on location. IE DB is much stronger in Europe, but much weaker in NYC. In New York, it's pretty much impossible to think of bulges by pure rank, as it's highly group centric. ie, Citi M&A is probably better than almost all the groups at Barcap, but the same can't be said on average. I'd say the ranks you posted are relatively accurate if you consider the top group only. In aggregate though, it's much easier to bundle in tiers. On the same tier, you should definitely pick on group and not on prestige. For NYC, it's more like
GS | MS JPM | | CS Citi, BAML, Barcap DB | | | UBS
WOW AWESOME GREAT.
What did this accomplish?
1) Goldman Sachs 2) J.P. Morgan 3) Morgan Stanley 4) Bank of America Merrill Lynch 5) Barclays 6) Credit Suisse Group AG 7) Citigroup 8) Deutsche Bank 9) UBS
I am skeptical about who actually works in banking here. I would rank J.P. Morgan and Barclays higher. J.P. Morgan has been killing in fees over the last few years and has generated the most fees across all products. Both banks are top five across all regions in terms of announced deals. It is true that fees/deal are lower for Barclays but the fact that Barclays have the ability to win deals is a testament to their growth in the U.S. over the last few years.
Credit Suisse has been killing it as well, hence why I ranked them 4th.
lol
Re: CS killing it this year - no they havent. Have you seen the league tables this year?
Either way this thread is stupid. For PE MS and GS generally have a premium above all other banks with JPM a distant third. After that it just depends on what group you work at.
bahahaha... 5 Greatest Rappers of all time
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That is how I feel about this topic... Cuz I spit hot fire. And this topic is stupid... Centerview is the new gold standard of bankers and their paychecks back it up
Oh and Piper is making a run for it
Prestige rankings are pointless. Its more critical to be in a top group at that particular investment bank. Having said that my rankings are on a global perspective.
Is Barclays that low? I've always imagined that it was near CS in terms of prestige?
great thread, i must GS or bust now
"Prestige rankings are pointless. Its more critical to be in a top group at that particular investment bank."
Completely disagree. Top banks matter since they lead to exit ops outside of just investment banking. You are far better off approaching an Apple/Google/GE/IBM recruiter with a top bank on your resume.
For PE, they may look at the group. But in just about every other exit opp, they do not care about the group anywhere near as much. Private equity has probably become less of a focus since its attractiveness has gone down, so individual groups may matter even less now than previously.
Lol
Why don't you get a job in the field before you start acting like you know everything?
BUMP :)
1) Goldman 2) JP=MS 4) BAML 5) Credit Suisse 6) DB 7) Deutsche 8) Barcap 9) UBS
This is my preference for where I'd want to work for IBD.
Forgot Citi and DB = Deutsche
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lmao
whoops. Deutsche should read Citi haha.
4. BAML
8. DB
Writing this from my perspective European IBD employee. GS is obvious no.1 looking at the prestige with MS just behind. JPM and baml are doing well in overall fee's and feels like both are growing quite a lot, looking to attack the top. Barclays is for me the European giant in IBD and I feel like they have quite a lot going on at least in Europe.
I'd say I agree your rankings the most. CS had a terrible year, let's just hope they can get back from that.
http://fn.dealogic.com/fn/MARank.htm
Global Announced M&A Ranking - 01 Jan - 30 Dec 2013
I usually go by sexy deals. For example, the sexiest deals are usually swooped by GS/MS (although MS has been getting shafted more and more after FB).
Then I would say JPM grabs the next/same tier of sexy.
It drops off steeply, but CS had quite a few this year. (e.g. Nieman earlier this year)
BC gets some pretty tasty ones in their industrials sector. (I think I remember seeing Boeing)
BAML usually gets its hands on a little bit of everything, and even wins main underwriter on an extremely nice deal once in a while.
DB is huge on anything with large debt and dealing with bonds.
Haven't seen a TON of Citi this year, but that doesn't mean they're falling by any means.
UBS is downgrading its IB so...
That's my view of the BBs after this year. I don't like ranking them one-by-one, but instead just know what's been going on.
LOL...I usually go by talent. And by talent, I'm talking about females.
The first response was probably the best. Top 3 are top 3, UBS is the worst. Among the rest, it is group / geography / culture / fit / opportunity dependent
Can't we all just be friends?
So wait, what are the top 10 BBs ranked?
Looks like CS got it worse. http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2014/01/08/a-banner-year-for-boutique-inves…
Ahhh pre$tige.
We all know guys at top shops that are bloody miserable and the whole prestige factor diminishes over a period of time but from an European 2 pence perspective, if you want to see who has the biggest penis, I'd go with ModernMonkey's list.
4. BAML
8. DB
BB Rankings by Industry/Product Groups? (Originally Posted: 02/17/2015)
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