can we do this to get an interview ??
even though we are not getting an interview from a firm A, can we call human resources in firm B, and tell them that we're interviewing with A ??
what is the chance that B will find out ?
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dude that's so f-ed up, lying to get a job interview. if you want a job, get it the honest way by being smart and well-qualified, not somebody who lies to a company.
I'm very qualified. But i'm from a non-target school. All I want is to get an interview, then I'll show them that I"m a perfect candidate.
I'm not lying to get a job, i don't intend to anyway. I just want to show them what i know, then i'll let them decide.
That's clearly lying. Anyway, I'm sure it's not hard to find out if they questioned it.
If you having an interview at firm B was enough for firm A to change their mind and offer you an interview, then firm A would definitely call firm B to confirm.
no firm is calling another to confirm a candidate is interviewing.. do you really think that highly of an ib job.
go for it, it's a dog eat dog environment anyways, i have co workers who did crazier things to get in.
wait even if you did have an interview with firm A, do people actually call the HR of another firm and say "Hey, i have an interview with firm A, so u should interview me too?"
lol. I cannot believe this is even a consideration
This will blow up in your face. I guarantee you.
This is a definite mistake. It makes me sad that anyone would consider doing this to get an interview.
zerocool, the problem is that there are a massive number of qualified people and not enough positions to go around. There is more to landing the job than being qualified. You have to hit it off with everyone that interviews you AND be qualified. Coming from a non-target doesn't help either, but that's life.
I am surprised that anyone would do this... its one thing when they ask you who else your interviewing with, but its another when you are making things up to HR in order to get you an interview. I agree.... there are plenty of qualified people.... plenty of them worked their way into a target school and others worked their way with alumni/personal connections to get an interview.
Regardless.... have some ethics and integrity.... you may or may not get a job... but you will always have to live with yourself and your decisions. Think about how you would feel if you had worked hard for years to be that qualified candidate and then you lost your place to a kid who lied. Also if you are that qualified... you don't need to lie to get the interview...
^^^if i was the OP think I would regret it more if i DIDN'T lie...but i don't see how telling them your interviewing with another BB would help you at all?...they might just look at you like....ok so we are not your first choice....goodbye..
they're going to call up another firm to double check on an ANALYST? although i disagree with this method, cause i think it is pointless, i don't disagree with the principle behind doing it. remember where ethics and integrity have a place, and it's not on wall street. do whatever you need to do to get the job, and keep ethics amongst your friends, family and non-work related life; this world of finance almost looks down upon integrity, on every level of the chain, and progressively moreso further up. i would love to go on more about this; don't worry, once you actually become a banker you'll understand
i highly doubt, for example, that Morgan would turn you down for an interview, you call their hr and say i have an interview with Goldman, and they change their mind. Not a likely scenario
^^^lmao exactly....that's what i'm saying i don't see how this helps anyone at all...
While there are a few people who share your opinion on ethics lateralguy... it doesnt exactly make it something you should give someone advice on. It is scary that people with a complete lack of ethics work in the financial industry. It does matter whether its a small or a big lie.... if your lying to firms about interviews (lying where it doesnt even matter)... then I am sure you would be the first one to lie about plenty of things that do matter.
When I was interviewing at a few places... integrity was one of the foremost qualities that were referenced by the interviewer. Along with that I would often get questions asking me about how I would deal with some scenario that revolved around integrity.
Perhaps you work with a few enron or arthur andersen individuals... but I think integrity is something you should keep in your work life because when others lack it... its up to you to point out the problem.
What about the inherent bias built in to the recruiting system? If you have to lie to create an image that fits in to the ideal that someone has created, I don't see the problem. If you go to a non-target, of course all the target school kids are going to be crying foul. You are taking jobs that were promised to them at birth.
It's not going to get you a job, you still have to do the hard work.
NDkid....
if you think all andersen employees lack integrity you are ridiculously misled.
NDKid..when you get into the business, you'll probably understand better..
the current deal that i'm staffed on, everyone knows the deal is a failure but it's still going through. this still cuts across the ethics and integrity of the firm.
bankers are dignified salesmen and all they really care about is the fees. forget all that bs about long term relationships with the client, integrity, ethics..it's just a surface show. deep down, it's dog eat dog
btw every other BB wanted to advise on this deal when it's so obvious from the basic projections, its a no go deal
mower4ever.... I have been in business settings (banking and otherwise) for quite a few years. Yes deals are pushed to get done even when they are not feasible, but after the recent credit crisis, these deals all had to either be pulled or refinanced at worse rates. Also these deals that were not feasible were part of the reason for the recent credit crisis...
Moreover, I was not merely sayin... integrity is what banking is all about and theres no place for cut throat tactics.... my point was that as an individual, you should not sacrifice your ethics for your career or your job... Yes you might have to make decisions that comprimise your ethics, but you should not think theres no place for ethics simply because you had to do a bad deal.
I am sorry that my point about being ethical made you feel badly Mower4ever.... hopefully telling people to make ethical decisions is not something you find that offensive.
Ethics are often a thinly veiled strategy to keep the insiders inside and everyone else outside.
The point is, those with the luxury to have high morals (good school, high grades etc) seem to shout the loudest in these instances. If they were on the border, they would not stand idly by and watch others succeed.
Often the flip-side to ethical behaviour is grit and determination.
No i dont think all andersen employees lacked integrity... but i think an enivronment where honesty is not promoted and where dishonest outcomes are promoted is one where even good individual succumb to the necessities of meeting market expectations.
My point was not that people at certain companies lacked integrity... but that a system where a few individuals encourage dishonest outcomes is one that is very detrimental to the financial (and in a broader sense business) industry.
The problems that hit andersen and enron and other firms was not just a function of individuals in those companies, but one of the markets in general. There are always going to be a lot of pressure to meet expectations in business, but that is where integrity is essential so that later it does not turn into a market threatening or company threatening event.
Yeah everyone thinks this kid is a fuckhead because they're afraid he's going to take their job, not because they think it's an unethical move that'll probably blow up in his face.
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