What car would you never consider getting? I know many people that won't get luxury cars because they are depreciating assets. Nothing wrong with that but I'm looking for opinions on cars you wouldn't get because they're cliches or just plain bad.
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Any A-model Audi or non-M model BMW...
You may as well be wearing a t-shirt that says I make a bit of money, but I have nothing to say. Buy a loaded Accord for half the price and twice the options. If this is sending you into a raging positive feedback loop of "but it's not a BMW, that's a Honda!" return to my first point...
I'll accept my monkey shit from the A1 and 2s in their 36mo BMW leases, come on in gents, we can still be friends.
Out of curiosity, have you ever driven a non M-version BMW? They're not top of the line, but they're fun cars to drive - the handling is exceptional. If you haven't, would highly recommend test driving the 4-series F33. To be honest, I wasn't even aware that they were considered a luxury car or any sort of status symbol.
Then again, I've never even owned a car and even if I did, I don't think I'd care what anyone else thought of it so maybe I'm not the best person to comment.
I have. The issue is that I've spent a good bit of my life driving very driver-oriented cars, track cars, sports cars, bikes, etc. so when you tell me "the handling is exceptional", we're just not talking from the same perspectives is all. Side note for context I daily an Alfa 4C lol - it's utterly useless as a "car".
>Any A-model Audi or non-M model BMW...
You’ve clearly never seen the BMW Alpina B7!!
Agree that a B7, obviously by definition, is a non-M car, but calling an Alpina B7 a BMW is like calling any Brabus MB a MB - my opinion
I wholeheartedly agree with this thinking; I'm on the same train. I hate seeing the old loser in a whack ass BMW 640i convertible with the soft top. It's like, take that pussy shit back, you're saying nothing.
M6 or gtfo....
Says a guy copying GSelevator almost verbatim:
https://twitter.com/GSElevator/status/308756771693015041
Lol "you've got money but nothing to say" is a common expression, you think GSE of all people (probably the most copy-paste twitter account of all time) invented that? Clown. Good grief...
haha, I get your point. I am with that side of reasoning, but its all personal opinion at the end of the day. I personally would rather spend $40-50k on a used M3 than $40k on a new 320i. I can't believe anyone wouldn't do that.
As someone who has had a 2018 A4 sport package for the last year, I am going to have to refute this. for credibility, my previous cars in descending order have been Audi S4, Audi S5 cabriolet, BMW M5, Porsche 911 (yeah, I'm a car whore). I decided to downsize when moving to SF because it's a terrible place to have a fun car, and I LOVE it. Yeah I miss throwing them around a track occasionally, but the chassis is so responsive that I get 80% of the enjoyment at 50% of the cost.
I'll own other toys in the future, but I think I am going to go classics and keep the Audi as the daily driver going forward. It's that good.
You started with a 911 and five cars later you’re driving an A4? And you expect us to believe this is because of some kind of efficiency logic? What really happened . . divorce? financial crisis? meth?
I’ve got an 18’ M3 and here's what I have to say: difference between a legit M series and a non-m car is insane. Just so we’re clear, non-M BMWs are still better than all the jap crap/american cars that are out there. Dont @ me
Spot on my guy.
Base level luxury cars in base level trim, 320i, CLA, etc. I'm not talking like a loaded out 340, I'm talking the 'I need a BMW or my life will suck but I can't afford it' cars.
There is no possible way anyone thinks the cheapest cars BMW Benz and the others make are worth the money. They're optioned like a 1995 Toyota Corolla, have an engine to match, fake wood, fake leather. Bad look in my opinion. If you want a 3 series, get the bigger engine, nicer interior, a paint job other than the free black or white and make it a good little car. No one is impressed by a $500/ mo lease payment on a barren C class.
Go big or go home right.... have you seen all the people on Insta posing next to their CLAs? 320i= barely there, also the CLA is a piece of shit and it drives like on to.
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I would never buy a PT Cruiser
I would never buy a car new.
Haha that Fugatti is awesome!!! I’d totally drive that... with a surf rack maybe lol
I honestly think its so stupid it might be cool. If you have that joking personality you could probably get away with driving that.
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The car Nicholas Cage drove in the family man after waking up in his mediocre life
I'll never understand some of the analysts that decide to buy an A6. I know someone that dropped around 65k on an A6. Why not just get a cheaper, comfortable car, wait a few years and then try to stretch for something like a 911 at 120k.
Crazy how up until the 2019 model year they sold the A6 with the same 2.0t they use in the cheapest Audi's. I never drove that but hard to imagine one isn't constantly reminded about how it's underpowered when driving.
Anything American.
What about the Ford GT?
You can get various European equivalents for less than half the price.
and no Jap Crap either Euro cars are far superior on every aspect. As for the Ford GT, the car starts at 400k I'd rather have a Porsche GT2RS, a McLaren 720S, or a Ferrari 488 for that much cash. All of those cars are in the same price point, and are in another league from the Ford GT.
Yeah agree but this thread is
“cars that I’d never have”
and not
“cars that I’d rather have”
The Ford GT is like your 10th car at the LA or Miami house ... not your standard German/Italian exotic.
SB for the DK.
A white, base Maserati Ghibli
Was this a jab in the throat to MonacoMonkey ?
100% should never own a white ghibli. After the roasting that guy got I don't even think I would own a Maserati lol
never forget
Prius. Anything Tesla. Anything that qualifies to the term "grocery getter".
Why? They're pretty damn fun to drive
I think I'll be a Tesla/EV driver at some point (next car is probably 5 years away), but I wouldn't buy now. The initial quality is horseshit and they have no repair infrastructure. People get brand new cars just to see them in the shop for weeks because they can't get parts.
I've driven the S, but not a 3. It was a nice ride, but I'll let others be the guinea pigs while all of the kinks get worked out and long term durability is determined.
The S is interesting to me but for that price point I'd be far more interested in an Audi S7 in that range.
The Roadster I do believe to be a good looking car but again at that price point I'd have my eyes on multiple other cars in that range.
But that said I think accountingbyday is spot on.
I have an E63 station wagon. It qualifies as a grocery getter, but I'm all smiles when behind the wheel.
fooking bad ass car. Any gear head would agree.
My closest friends are all car people and are in clubs that meet up and do events but it was never my seen. I've told them that I do not see the point in buying a new car just to make payments on it for five years. I've always been a buy it in cash person but I did get that from my dad.
The only car I wouldn't get is the one I have to ask 'can i afford this?' because if you have to ask, you probably can't or shouldn't.
Once you've met the above criteria - get whatever the fuck you want. If you want to burn money on a faux status symbol, i'm not going to tell you otherwise - just know going in the the total cost of ownership on one of those bad boys. Especially if you finance it - good luck when the warranty runs out and you are already over extended on the financing payments. Double that if you've taken out some 6 year loan to pay for it.
I think Monopoly Money made a good point - it's really about buying the car that you want vs. a car you think you should have based on others perception. I have a 335, bought a few years down the depreciation curve, low mileage and I love it. I'm going to get rid of it soon since I don't need a car anymore, but I would without a doubt do the same thing again down the road if the opportunity presents itself.
I think the challenge is that companies like BMW, Mercedes, etc. have expanded their lineups so much to hit every price point that they've devalued their brand and quality has suffered with it. A co-worker of mine commented that Ford's now have nicer interiors than some of the base level BMW's - and they are absolutely correct.
The new Navigators have banging interiors
Anything besides a TESLA.
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PT Cruiser
Land/Range Rover. I love the styling on some of them, but hear they are absolute crap.
Ultimately, I'm not a car guy so I dont care too much. I do think the lowest level BMW and Mercedes are really a poor purchase. They're pretty crappy cars with a luxury badge to make people feel cool/important/etc...
I'm fortunate that I'm now a cash buyer of cars. I keep them for a while so I determine what fits my needs and is "nice enough". I don't need anything over the top, but also dont need to be driving a Toyota Corrolla. When I was looking 18 months ago my main requirement was 3 car seats where the kids couldnt hit each other....ended up with a great deal on a QX60. It wasn't my top choice, but worked and cheaper than other options I considered.
You are definitely right about older models (Discovery I and II had such a bad reputation in the States they had to rebrand) but in the last ~ 5 years or so their reliability is much improved. I have a LR4 and absolutely love it.
A couple more comments:
I saw something recently about Tesla being the lowest dependability (by a long shot) and Range Rover second worse. I don't remember the source, but a quickle google shows JD Power still has them very low.
I agree about the Evoque....no man should drive that vehicle.
https://www.jdpower.com/business/press-releases/jd-power-2018-us-vehicl…
I consider myself a "Car guy" and take into consideration various things such as price, performance, luxury, reliability, and societal perception into the mix. Cars that score high on my list are those that provide a lot of value for the money ("Bang for the buck"). I may get some MS for my views, but here we go...
Let's start with the dogshit: * Modern Camero / Challenger - Let's be honest with ourselves, you're driving the modern-day equivalent of a Pontiac TransAm... please go cut your mullet and stop hitting on your cousin. * Corvette - It's horsepower wrapped in cheap plastic, regardless of whether you're in high school or going to your job at H&R Block, the burnout at the AM/PM parking lot probably wasn't as cool as you thought it was. * Tesla - A really cool tech toy, but a faux sense of environmentalism disguised as an $80,000 status symbol. * Mercedez Benz - Nothing wrong with Benz, but when did an entry-level car start at $40,000+? There are many cheaper, more reliable cars on the market that can wrap you in leather. * Maserati - A temperamental Italian motor, coupled with an interior that has the same parts as your Chrysler Town and Country. All for a 100,000+ sticker? No thanks!
All-time favorite: * Porsche: You will not get a more performance oriented, racing inspired, and reliable sports car anywhere else. They have a long heritage in racing and have stayed true to their roots regarding pure driver experience. You can also buy one with four doors, which essentially makes it a family car!!
Most Underrated: * Lexus: Almost non-existent on the cool scale, but very luxurious, comfortable, and reliable. Will get you from A - B in style, rain or shine. Also will not break the bank if buying used.
Best Bang for the Buck: * Toyota & Honda - If you're looking for a car for $20-30k that you will own for a lifetime (ie. put 250,000+ miles on). Look no further, these are the best-built, most reliable, and rigorously designed cars for the money BAR NONE.
Pops recently bought a 911 Carrera 4s, absolutely amazing, comfortable, and it would give any other 120k car a run for its money.
Uncle recently bought a 650s. For the price tag it isn't the MOST cost-friendly but it sure as hell is fun.
Agreed on point with you Keyser Söze 123 - Family owned a Honda Accord, drove it for 335k miles and a corolla that I got rid of at 250k miles. The Accord had to get a transmission rebuilt, but did not have to since then. The Corolla - all I did was do the maintenance and tires, etc., never had an issue with it since. Got rid of it for another car.
The Honda Accord model the family had was the Accord V6 year 2000, I think purchased altogether with all the bells and whistles/options was around $30k out the door. The corolla was bought used at 24,000 miles, leased vehicle by someone else.
Agree with you on all commentary except the 4-door Porsche....I'm not saying that it's a bad car but sort of sacrilegious.....a crime against the sporting brand which was Porsche.
Doesn't this kind of attitude mean you're still just buying for the brand name? The additional utility that comes from the add'l doors is worth a lot of money; how is it any different than preferring a shitty-but-expensive BMW just for the logo?
Lexus is indeed underrated. I currently have the 2017 RC 350 F-Sport. Not only it looks sexy af but it's fun to drive in.
In addition, I would add Nissan in there as well. My dad still has a 2005 altima and it's still running fine with a few maintenance here and there.
Was looking at cars earlier this year and wanted to get either an RC 300 or 350 and I could not find one in the color I wanted. From every dealership I talked to, they said they were selling them as soon as they got them. Ended up settling on the Infinity Q60, which I like but it does not drive as well as the Lexus.
I would also add do not buy anything American for entry level cars. I had a 2012 ford focus that basically went to crap after around 5 years when it only had 50,000 miles on it. A Honda or Toyota would easily lasted until another 100,000 miles with minimal effort.
Damn those Maserati's sound good though. On defense of the American cars, Corvette Grand Sport is a world class sports car(shitty interior though), Camaro SS & ZL1 are best performance for the money but if you can't overcome the redneck(east coast) or cholo(west coast) reputation of owners, then don't get one. Challenger is a classic muscle car that's a big heavy boat but is loud, fast, obnoxious and vintage. Overall, great analysis.
I agree, they do sound great.
I don't think anyone will argue (myself included) that the American cars mentioned above are not all loud, fast, inexpensive, and obnoxious. For better or worse, I believe those were the very pillars that Chevrolet was founded on.
...and for some, that is enough to get their heart pumping, which I completely get. Admittedly I know a few people who would consider driving a lawn mover to work if it did a sub-11-second quarter mile.
However, I think when it comes to combining high performance... with practicality, style, sophistication, and reliability. Unfortunately, no American car really shows up on the spectrum.
I'm seeing a lot of BMW/Audi/Porsche picks - how about a fucking Chevette?
Chevrolet Corvair -- "Unsafe at any speed"
Kia, or any other bullshit brand that does 0 R&D and is just copying companies that actually make the industry better.
Idk man some of their newer cars aren't bad. The Stinger GT is nice. And on the Hyundai side, their G70 sedan looks like it's giving the Germans a run for the money
not a chance. I have an 18' M3, and no way in hell is that piece of shit Kia giving any BMW a run for its money.
Pontiac Aztek
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Would never get a 3 series or an A4. I'm constantly amazed at how many people are willing to spend $40k to showcase their mediocrity.
One day maybe I'll have a teenage daughter, and that will be the one and only time I consider buying such a thing.
Oddly, I feel exactly the same way.
A rusty Honda
I'd never get a FWD only TRUCK. i.e. a Honda Ridgeline. Gay as hell.
Pontiac Aztek
Not sure if Breaking Bad picked it on purpose to contrast. As it is so ugly...
Buy a plane instead. It won’t depreciate as quickly and way cooler. A mile of road takes you a mile. A mile of runway takes you anywhere you want.
Technically you depreciate planes as quickly as possible while chartering them out to harvest tax savings due to losses
Prius- ugly as sin, boring and synonymous with extremist liberals.
Cool cars being: classics, muscle cars, supercars/hypercars, luxury sport sedans, luxury SUVs. Most underrated cool cars: 1)Alfa Romeo Giulia and Giulia Quadrifoglio: unmatched driving experience unless you get a Lambo or Ferrari. 2)Camaro SS and ZL1: best performance for the money. 3)VW Golf R: less than $45K, gets you a dual clutch and peak torque at 2,000 rpm.
A little different take, but I will never buy any sporty car (BMW m2/m4, GTR, Porsche 911, Audi RS5, etc.) with an automatic/DCT transmission. I get that it's technically faster, but who gives a fuck if your lap time or 0-60 speed is marginally better. Especially considering the fact that 99% of the time the car will be driven on the road. Clicking a paddle is boring as hell, and adds nothing to the driving experience.
I agree with you on this, although the way things seem to be going, looks like we won't have a choice. I have an 18' M3 that I got last year in November, and I went with 6MT, and no joke the car is so much more fun to drive on public roads, as it's engaging having to go through all the gears with the 3rd pedal, regardless of speed.
I did however go to a BMW event at Monticello back in August, and I got to hammer some of the M cars that had the DCT transmission. Man its quick! DCT just slams through the gears. You probably can't go wrong no matter what transmission you buy. I just went with the manual cause I figured this is probably one of my last opportunities to do so.
Sports cars in general. Also never BMW.
Any form of Lamborghini/Ferrari supercar ... when I think of those cars, I think of useless Miami/LA millennial hipster rappers with fucked up teeth, face tattoos, and gold chains ...
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