Catholic Church's Orders

cruel3a:

UFOinsider:

cruel3a:

what is the influence of these Catholic orders in the financial world

Can you be more specific?

Going through some news on a financial scandal in Italy, which involves the most ancient bank in the world and some of the biggest banks on the street (ie: Santander, ABN Amro and Nomura, ML, JPM as advisors), they talk about a strong connection between some of the CEOs involved, one of the main FIG dealmaker in Europe and the Vatican Bank. In particular, it seems that some of these people are somehow linked to a Catholic Church order. At the same time, the new Chairman of the Vatican Bank, which founded one of the strongest European MM Investment bank (DC Advisory) is a member of one of these orders. Therefore, I was wondering Opus Dei, Sovereign Military Order of Malta, etc. (like some fraternal organizations) are able to affect the financial system or it was just some kind of coincidence.

Someone's done their homework. A lot of this stuff goes over people's heads because 1) they take it for granted and 2) the timeframes are huge. Unlike a regular bank or politician who thinks in terms of reporting quarters or 2/4/8 year election cycles, the Church thinks in terms of much larger blocks of time. So, a lot of what they do doesn't register with the short attention spans of today's world, for better or for worse. LOL it also explains why they're so incredibly regressive on social issues: they don't even understand what they're talking about sometimes, and other times it's just the mindset of grumpy old men in castles being forced on everyone.

It's a different mindset more than a conspiracy, but people like the fear and attention that a conspiracy theory gets, so they often look at things that way. Not to say, however, that no one in the Church conspires anything, they're only humans after all, no matter HOW divinely inspired they proclaim everything. Keep in mind that individuals often act independantly, and that the formal organizations tend to make decisions slowly....very, very........very slowly. Also keep in mind that the orders are like frats in a college, or better: like divisions in the military. Yes they have their own rules and agendas, but they operate within the mandates of the Church, and therefore are very predictable. This sets them apart from orders/fraternaties like the Freemasons or other religions like Judaism that are highly decentralized in their formal decision making.

Most importantly, plenty of people, like myself, belong to multiple associations in order to have access to people, whether Opus Dei, the Elks, facebook, trade shows, or meeting people at a bar or the gym.

It would seem you just answered your own question. There are both coincidences and 'ancient' networks operating in the background. People love to blame the Church, or religion in general, for the shortcomings of humans....it's both easy and fashionable to do so. And they're often right! However, there's more to it than that: you're dealing with a highly intereconnected 2,000+ year old instituion that has survived every form of government, social movement, economic system, and era of history to remain the largest religion on earth. The Church has significantly more resources and influence than they let on, but it is fading as people become less religious in Europe. Look to Africa and South/Central America for even more pronounced activity: the networks are newer and easier to recognize.

I personally disagree with a lot of the Church's social policies, but am one of the people who argue for change from within the institution and was raised in a highly religious environment. Strangely, I'm almost atheistic and respect all religions. Keep in mind that the Church is over a BILLION people, and just like any large organization or nation: not everyone agrees on everything!!! There are millions of viewpoints, thousands of orders, and even the Curia is a warzone of competing worldviews: are we pro-life? Are we pro-choice? etc etc etc.