Coronavirus impact on credit funds
Dear monkeys,
I will be interning at the credit arm of a PE MF. I know that equity funds have suffered a huge impact, but I guess that credit funds are in a better position. I guess that there will be a lot of work at the distressed funds, but I don't know about the overall situation.
Given the current state of panic in IB and AM, could someone shed some light about that? Will credit be as affected? Less affected at all? Or even benefited?
thanks.
anyone?
Bump - curious as well
Congrats on the internship, exciting summer to join a credit team. The short answer is credit is the best place to be right now if you want to see deals getting done. Relative to other asset classes, capital is flowing into credit as the PE/M&A market is drying up. You have a bunch of business looking for rescue financings. Credit pros like the ones you’ll be working with will be busy structuring products to fill liquidity gaps. I’ll note that the types of deals will have higher return thresholds than what you’d see during normal market conditions in vanilla credits (ranging from mid single digits to low double digits). People in all markets need to be compensated for the uncertainty.
You kind of touch on this in your post but yes different areas of credit are being hit differently now. I’d encourage you to try to think through why during your internship. Just good learning experience. For example, look at how the first dollar of debt investments got hit by this shock vs middle of credit stack vs bottom vs the CLO, etc etc.Your shop will probably have all of these products and rewarding to get a grasp on each of them early in your career. Hope this helps.
Would you say certain products such as CLOs will lose investor interest if the debt bubble bursts from COVID-19 impacts - akin to how MBS' lost aggregate capital as a result of the 08' financial crisis? And would firms that manage CLOs then downsize/consolidate as CLO AUM winds down from their 3 years of locked capital? Thanks.
Maybe I'm not the right person to answer this since I'm not a credit investor myself, but on CLOs, would be surprised to see an implosion in the CLO market. CLO structures fundamentally protect investors from capital impairment and even during the peak of the GFC the highest loss rate in a single vintage was ~5%, while the greatest five-year cum loss rate was BB CLO liabilities do not experience impairment until losses reach ~10%, BBBs at ~15%, As at ~20% and AAs at ~25%. And all that assumes entry at par; now you can acquire CLO liabilities at a significant discount due to the broader market selloff so there's an even greater embedded loss cushion. And even when assuming a three-year time horizon for prices to recover back to par, yields on high quality CLOs (including AAs) are in the double-digits. A more aggressive recovery assumption of two years would result in mid-teens returns for AAs and low 20s returns for As, both far in excess of what could be achieved in normal market conditions, and pretty nuts when you think about the underlying quality of what you're investing in and what that risk / reward profile entails
Thank you very much for your answer! Now I am even more eager to start the summer and see how it really is. Would you recommend any book to read now that I have free time? (Besides Moyer's)
How about Real Estate credit funds?
interested as well
The answer to this is going to be pretty fund-specific and how long this whole thing goes on (both direct COVID / shelter in place and the ensuing down turn). Everyone is going to be "affected," but exactly what that impact is is TBD. I would say that we're being highly selective in new opportunities that we spend any amount of time on and more attention is going to the existing portfolio, and a lot of funds are viewing the world in the same way.
It should still be a good time for an internship; it'll probably just affect the relative mix of new deal stuff vs. existing portfolio company stuff that you work on, which isn't necessarily a bad thing.
Funds will be marketing that the future opportunity set is amazing, meanwhile performance on existing investments is horrible
Would add a few bits to this from the perspective of a European mid-market credit fund;
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