Credit Suisse Concerns

Hi. I am new on the board and I am currently debating an offer between Credit Suisse and some respectable Fortune 500 finance jobs. On the surface, this seems like a no brainer. However, a high level banker (head of group) that I have been in contact with at CS has been hinting that I should consider my other offers strongly. This is a drastic change of heart since he has been a cheerleader for Credit Suisse ever since I have met him. Perhaps he knows something that is going to happen at CS that could affect Summer Analysts that I don't? Has anyone on this board heard rumors of possible layoffs for reassignments at CS? They seem to have not gone through their fair share of layoffs yet as compared to other firms.

 

I'd imagine his sentiment stems not from anything specifically related to CS, but because of the dubious future of the industry in general. Nobody knows what the regulatory environment will look like, what bonus limitations will look like, what public backlash (i.e the Thain situation, UBS accounts)will take place, or what form these banks will take up when we do emerge from this. This isn't 2006-I think he just wants you to ask yourself these questions so that you can decide whether, in this environment, banking is really for you or not.

 

I'd imagine his sentiment stems not from anything specifically related to CS, but because of the dubious future of the industry in general. Nobody knows what the regulatory environment will look like, what bonus limitations will look like, what public backlash (i.e the Thain situation, UBS accounts)will take place, or what form these banks will take up when we do emerge from this. This isn't 2006-I think he just wants you to ask yourself these questions so that you can decide whether, in this environment, banking is really for you or not.

 

Funny you mention this. Another senior member at CS told me the exact thing although I didn't have an offer. He said working in PE or F500 would be much better than working for a bank. Maybe he said it because he knew I wouldn't get an offer or maybe he said it because it was true. Since this is a SA gig, I suggest you still do it, I have a feeling you can get the F500 jobs full time if you want based on this experience.

 
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I am pretty sure he is asking you to consider if you really want to do banking overall, not trying to hint at troubles at CS. Let's be honest, in the environment now, if you aren't going to enjoy what you're doing then its going to suck. They pay most likely won't be great, less deal flow. I'm going S&T so its a little different, but I've definitely run into people at CS and elsewhere who candidly asked, is this what you want to do because the environment could likely suck for awhile (depending on their level of skepticism). For me the answer is undoubtedly yes, the role is exciting, challenging and what I want to do. You really need to evaluate that side for yourself, because its likely not going to be the bonuses that keep you around for the next few years.

Other than that, CS is an excellent firm and as well positioned as any to capitalize of a turnaround (yes, has to be taken with a grain of salt of course because things can change in an instant). On the bright side, CS has been pretty proactive with recognizing losses in MTM, so their balance sheet could be considered in a more conservative position IMO. PM me if you want to talk, I'll be there this summer.

Jack: They’re all former investment bankers who were laid off from that economic crisis that Nancy Pelosi caused. They have zero real world skills, but God they work hard. -30 Rock
 

Take the Credit Suisse offer, It would look amazing on your resume. I've been in contact with a senior contact at the company and he said that all SA programs were cut in half.

"I wanna Thank the Good Lord for Making me a Capitalist"
 

One of the reasons I am so worried is that I feel that pretty soon even "healthy banks" are going to be laying thousands of people off and switching SAs into the back office. I feel like if you work at a bank where the hammer hasn't fallen yet, it will pretty soon.

 

In my opinion, even with those concerns as a SA you don't have to worry about that right now. You get two major bonuses: 1) You get IBD experience with a great firm 2) You get more time to evaluate your concerns and see what the market is like in a year. You can always go for finance at a Corporation FT if you decide you IBD is too risky. That's my opinion, but of course I'm biased

Jack: They’re all former investment bankers who were laid off from that economic crisis that Nancy Pelosi caused. They have zero real world skills, but God they work hard. -30 Rock
 

They will not reassign summers. That makes no sense. They also have yet to reassign any full-time analysts while competitors have like GS and Citi. Any summer offer at this point should be considered very safe. The banks want to keep summers happy so they can retain them at the end of the 10 weeks for full-time positions; that way they can minimize recruiting costs of going out and doing more FT recruiting in the fall than is absolutely necessary.

If you have an offer from any of GS, MS, JPM, CS, or DB, you can feel pretty good about it. Those banks I think have done the best jobs at creating some stability and cutting deep & quickly into unnecessary businesses and superfluous positions. Barclays is also probably in good shape; if possible I'd stay away from UBS/Citi/BOA, just given all the turmoil at UBS and the threats of the 'n word' at the latter two.

 

Pretty confident that will not happen. They've had pretty good results through the first part of 2009, it seems unlikely there would be something that would cause them to eliminate IBD SA.

Jack: They’re all former investment bankers who were laid off from that economic crisis that Nancy Pelosi caused. They have zero real world skills, but God they work hard. -30 Rock
 

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