Mod Note (Andy) - Throwback Thursday - this was originally posted 2/28/12
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I am a senior at a non-target. I wasn't able to get into banking. So I am considering alternatives to make some cash (high risk/high reward). Can any monkeys chime i on this? Crips vs. Blood? Pay/culture/exit opps/hours? How much are triple OGs expected to make and what is the progression like? Both are located in Compton, Los Angeles.
Thanks,
OMS
Prestige ranking: Bloods vs Crips
Truly timeless questions. Possibly more so than " Banking or Consulting?" This debate is just as fiery. Who has the better deal makers? Who gets the better comp? Who lives in the better part of town? Both are very prestigious in their own right and are considered " Bulge Bracket Gangs" along with MS-13 etc... It's really Morgan Stanley vs Goldman Sachs.
Crips
Definitely a more unified faction than the bloods. Their headquarters are in Los Angeles. They generate a majority of their fees by
- drug dealing
- theft
- extortion
- murder
Their color is blue which can represent a strong desire to motivate others to accomplish their goals. They are about 35,000 members strong. They have about 11 rivals and many more allies. The Crips are the larger organization and seem to be
Notable Crip Alumni
- Snoop Dog
- Coolio
- School Boy Q
- Maxo Kream
Bloods
The bloods are a weaker organization numbers wise. Current members are estimated to be between 20 and 25 thousand. However, this does make the bloods seem a bit more exclusive. They garner fees in the same manner as the crips
- drug dealing
- theft
- extortion
- murder
Notable Blood Alumni
- Lil Wayne
- Bird Man
- RZA
- B-Real
Their primary color is red which is the color of energy, passion, and stimulation. The bloods have about 12 rival gangs and some allies. So again, the bloods are more exclusive and have more competition in their industry but they are clearly still fighting for market share.
Definitely Crips. They've got the best deal-flow, best junior-gangster exposure to said deal-flow, and the best perks. A standard Glock .45 is issued at the time you start, but getting that FT offer depends on how good your quant skills are (their interviews are brutal). If you fail the interview, you get shot with the aforementioned Glock .45. Hours are good overall, maybe 40 a week on the job, but there's no overtime despite being located in CA.
Overall a solid opportunity, definitely one to consider in this tough job market.
Neither - join LAPD.
lol..funny you mention this.
Can't join what's been defunded.
Lol
Well the crips supposedly have Snoop Dogg...while the bloods have lil wayne and the game. so idk bro..personally i would love to work with Mr. Dogg as I've heard great things and enjoy the shit he's put out already. So imo, crips.
Woah, hold on. Lil Wayne > Snoop Dog. Are we really having this discussion? Who doesn't want A Milli?
No, but seriously, Bloodz is smaller. You'll have more opportunities for advancement and bangin' early in your career (small firm > large firm).
Not sure if I should be proud or sad that I knew it was gonna be about prestige...
what if an actual gang banger googles "crips vs. bloods" and first thing that came up was this post? i think hes get a good laugh. keep it comin
They'd have no clue what we're even taking about.
Don't think crips/bloods members would have access to a computer let alone know what exit opps and comp progression is
exit ops suck for both of them
Serious?
Exit ops include YMCMB, Shady Records, Deathrow.
I hear some of those guys make a hundred million dollars. They bet $5M on the super bowl. I do not know many MDs who do that.
I don't know, I heard that the Latin Kings are up and coming in the middle market areas. The big gangs - with all the new laws, are going to have a tough time competing with the smaller and more nimble ones.
This -- you should look into the elite boutiques. Have heard that the Triads have a great culture and pay above street if you are willing to relocate to Chinatown. True global platform as well.
Don't yall know MS-13 is the KKR of the gang industry..
MS-13 is a flat organization, you get great deal exposure, plus there is little face-time needed. They are also very niche (Pharmaceutical Trading), and have the capabilities of a regional bank, but are located all over the US. Their presence on the street is lacking as the office's in the Northeast are located outside of Newark, but they more than make up for that with their devoted presence in the West. Los Angeles is their main hub, but the junior staff are spread all the way down to Mexico City. The prestige is really solid in the South if your from a non or semi target, as they are considered top tier, FINRA, has had little involvement with their hierarchy and the Latin Kings have been decimated by the Volcker rule. No brainer, the perks aren't the best, but the quality of life is much better.
I have to second the Triads. Ricky Tan has been moving that shop up the ladder for years now. Bulge gangs just aren't what they used to be. Hell, just look at what happened to the KKK
Haha, I heard that KKK was one of the last remaining white shoe firms.
Would Totally banana this if I had the credits
mods front page this ASAP please
neiter is presigous..y would a gang full of dum ppl be presigous? this is wall stret oasis not gang oasis. this a dum questin you could get arested and then you wil never get a job like invesment banker (which is most prestigous job in the world)
HAHAHA
can't tell if serious...
because you are an idiot
You had me at gang oasis. I would love for that website to be started and operated by actual gang members.
WSO members should start a Gorilla Gang. We go around and intimate people by beating our chests and throwing banana peels.
Do Crips/Bloods have diversity programs for URMs?
Yes. It's pretty much the only one they've got.
for the win.
I think for them diversity would be straight white males...
Will getting the CFA improve my chances of recruitment by the Crips/Bloods?
Crips - yes. Bloods don't give a shit about the CFA imo. They only take legacies or ppl who've done a stint a San Quentin. I'd try to get jumped in with the Nortenos and lateral my way into Bloods after 2 years.
Gangster Disciples are considered more boutique but have solid relationships with Vice Lords, Latin Kings et al should you want to lateral. They vet pretty heavily on technicals though. Be prepared for graffiti skills, properly delivering "ghetto smiles", and ghost-riding. They're more focused on the flash as they have a pretty firm lock on the local market and already expect you to be able to stomp someone that's frontin'.
Can anyone speak to the exit opps for smaller offices? I have an offer from Crips Brazzaville. I'm excited about the emerging market, but I hear their newhire training is brutal. Would I be better off with Aryan Nation Sierra Leone?
Aryan Nation Sierra Leone?!?....lol dafuck am I reading haha
Yakuzas have better exit opps.
Which schools are targets for Crips/Bloods?
The School of Hard Knocks and Gun Shots.
al-Qaeda
Are you kidding me?? AQ isn't what it used to be; the new leadership has left it fragmented and without a sense of purpose. Shame to see such a promising boutique crumble when they tried to compete globally.
i want to give this an SB, but i'm afraid that would put me on the FBI Watch List.
I hear the exit opps can blow up in your face.
osama = madoff
If you have an exploding offer, think it through before accepting.
"The Gangsta Desciples and the Vice Lords have teamed up. We gonna fuck the motherfuckin clubs up! The fuckin Liquids, know what I'm sayin! The D and D the spot, GD's! VL's!" -Juicy J
Cosa Nostra dat's it
I hear the culture at the Long Beach Crip division is a little better... Rollin 20s -- 20th and MLK. Its the GS TMT of Crips, in my eyes
How about salary? Ten, Ten, Ten, Twenties then them 50's? Hunnids, Hunnids?
hunnids all arranged, anything less than that, you keep the change
Why go to Crips or Blood, when you can join Goldman Sachs?
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-4CBTaC7j4IQ/Tdw2I7Q_n6I/AAAAAAAAAUc/CPvFRWEVu… , It doesnt get better than this.
Guys, only a select few are GFL (Gansters for Life) material. The hours are brutal and the chances of you getting to the top are slim. What you should be shooting for is 2 years either at crips or bloods. It doesn't matter which one, they're both prestigious. You then want to go work for one of the drug cartels, and preferably at one of the megafunds in Colombia. However, word on the street is is that the gov't is coming down on them and compensation is going to be hurt in the long run.
This is assuming you're from a target area (i.e., Long Beach, Compton, etc.) If you're at one of those nontargets (i.e., Greenwich, New Port, Beverly Hills), you're out of luck. I've never seen anyone from there during my 2 year stint.
Bloods = GS/MS/JPM Crips = Financial Technology Partners
http://images.nymag.com/news/articles/10/09/nymag101004_crime_map.pdf
If youre also willing to conisder NY, this should provide a pretty good overview for industry and player landscape in the NYC area. Although the Bloods outnumber the Crips on a 3:1 basis, there is a high degree of siloing across the structure which may make for a less cohesive culture. Neither one seems to be a "blue blood" operation anymore, so if it's prestige you're ultimately looking for, you may want to look at some of the smaller players that have a niche focus.
http://www.youtube.com/embed/o9ALdaX6OdQ
let me break it down for you fellas
sharks > jets > crips > bloods > MS13 > latin kings > crazy boys
MS13 will fuck both the Crips and Bloods up with a machete
Neither have been very prestigious ever since Hasidic Jew gangs began dominating NYC violent crime.
crips are more unifiedthan the different blood sects,.. ALKQN five pointed crowns n lions nahmean. los solidos used to run back up in northern CT.... in NYC ive been to the dominican day parade after party up in the heights with patria and trinitarios, used to have DDP on my block in hahlem makin sure the black bloods from central harlem didnt come into the dominican areas
btw who can sign crip and blood gang signs with their hands and know what they are or am i the only one :> oh the joysof growing up and having friends who were in gangs
HA
trick question, only IBD is PRESTIGIOUS!!!!
Exit ops most likely to include lead and a body bag.
short: I know the blood's and crip's, and I grew up in the burbs :-p
what about PE/HF exit ops??????
Robbing a bank is some boring bullshit. But robbing a PE shop or hedge fund? That's some interesting work.
You should do 3 years with the Bloods and then move to a growside shop in Latin America.
I hear MS 13 is a real up and comer in that space. Very strong recent deal flow.
I hear MS 13 is a real up and comer in that space. Very strong recent deal flow.
Invest in bandanas.
Has anyone heard about the pharma desk at the H Angels? They've got a lot of respect and history in the industry.
awesome our site is #4 currently on google if you type in "crips vs. bloods"
hahhaahaha god it was hilarious to actually see this on google.... "WHICH IS MORE PRESTIGIOUS?" hahaha
@ all the WSO Trolls (you know who you are) - this is how you troll.
Both have sell side and buy side. You will be a generalist when you get out. It's nice, no pigeon hole.
I've found that it's best to work with Snoop's five forces framework when you are posed with pimping case questions:
Are the bloods be pimping new bitches? Have your bitches been speaking up too much? (Choke em!) Are the johns too fucking stingy? What are the substitutes for your bitches (trannies under bridge?) What is the cattiness among the existing bitches?
Best part is if you work well enough, your retirement will include 24/h security with free food and tv. Only catch is that you'll run into problems if you drop the soap.
I have a close family friend who is an OG in the Bloods. My crack game isnt that great (3.2 rocks per hour at a non target neighborhood) but I was wondering if he would have enough to pull to get me an interview?
You really need to think of what you want to do. Have you thought of this? Do you want to be involved in drugs, hits, prostitution, extortion, trafficking, or fraud? This should be your primary decision point. Crips and Bloods, while both prestigious may not offer everything you want. They don't do a lot in trafficking or fraud. I've heard they have their hands is prostitution, but the quality just isn't that great.
If your Asian you probably won't fit in to either of those gangs. You might want to get on with the Asian Boyz and transition to the Crips, since there is some movement from Asian Boyz to Crips. Though you'll never see a Crip go down to the Asian Boyz. Of note both of these gangs are in Long Beach, so that might be a good location for you. There are also a few white gangs in the Long Beach area, but if you join one of those gangs you can forget about moving to any type of other gang. A swastica on the forehead pretty much swears your loyalty.
plenty of all kinds of races in the crips.
Epic thread...
Anyone care to expand on the international ops? It seems you'd want to be affiliated with a world class BSD who operates on a global macro level and pays out to his lieutenants
Joaquin "Shorty" Loera - drug lord Top DEA target. Heads the Sinaloa Cartel international drug traffickers - a major global organisation. He reputedly pays up to $2million to lieutenants who keep him safe and is said to change mobile phones after each conversation. Doesn't kill innocent people and is regarded as a Robin Hood-type character.
Dawood Ebrahim - Do I need to explain this one? It's rumoured that just Googling his name is enough to put you on an FBI watch-list...
Matteo Messina Denaro "Diabolic" The Italian mafia remains the most famous (prestigious?) organized criminal group, and Matteo Messina Denaro has taken control of it. Denaro appeared on the first Forbes Most Wanted list two years ago. Known as a playboy with a penchant for the fast life, girls, Porsches and fancy Rolex watches. His org is well positioned to benefit from the European financial crisis.
James "Whitey" Bulger Leader of the Winter Hill Gang, an Irish-American crime family based in Boston that controlled the illicit drug trade and extortion rackets in South Boston. Estimated wealth between $30 million and $50 million and he has associated with major criminal enterprises throughout North America and Europe. On the run with his longtime girlfriend, using the wealth and contacts he developed through his criminal operations to stay out of the reach of law enforcement.
Ultimately you probably would want to make the move to management/strategy consulting at a prestigious international organization out of Italy or Russia, or maybe a commodities trader in Colombia or Mexico, but we all know those jobs are hard to get fresh off of the streets. For your first few years bangin, I'd stick with bulge bracket gangs like the Crips or Bloods...prestige on that end is a bit of a wash since it depends a lot on which set you're in (Five Oh Three represent). I've heard some people talk about MS-13...unless you're deadset on working in emerging markets, I think you'd be better off aiming for the bulge bracket. Crips also seem to have more prestigious alumni with Snoop Dogg, instead of that clown Lil Wayne, so I'd say most Crips sets would probably have better exit ops
Since we're on the topic, what commodities would you be positioning your clients in now? Is the long meth/short heroin trade still on?
International entrepreneurship seems like the best exit op... better lifestyle / payout than just trying to rise through the ranks at BBG (bulge bracket gang)...
I dont really want to be a gangster, I would rather be a VC in the game...
How risky would it be to get my money out? It probably is a 2 and 20 Comp Structure off of my potential re-up from the 5 Large i put on the table...
I personally look great in blue
My year end bonus was capped at 500 everything else above that was paid in crack. Is this fair? I'm thinking about switching shops, but I'm scared about my non-compete clause.
What do I do?
Making an analogy between gangs and IB/PE/WSO jargon/recruiting/etc got old after the first two times...sorry, had to say it.
are bloods more 'blue blooded', if you will?
Wild Boyz are where it's at. We got Machine Gun Kelly.
For those that aren't in the know, we are very small and ultra prestigious (think Allen & Co of gangsters): http://drawingonindians.blogspot.com/2010/06/wild-boyz-indians.html
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For those that aren't in the know, we are very small and ultra prestigious (think Allen & Co of gangsters): http://drawingonindians.blogspot.com/2010/06/wild-boyz-indians.html[/qu…]
My life was dull till I heard Wild Boy...
The Mexican gang market is growing rapidly as well. Basically only a few organizations that get all the deals in Mexico and have started to cross the border into the US as well. You might be able to get some good latam exposure as well. Spanish is a must if you want to move up in the ranks.
Had a super day with the bloods last week and I was really impressed with the professional quality of their HR as well as the fixed income corner.... I still haven't heard back despite what I thought was a great interview.... thoughts if I haven't heard back yet? anyone hear back who was at the super day?
Hey guys I'm a 2nd year at an elite boutique (think Mossad/Black Panthers/Westboro Baptist) looking to make the move to a larger firm with more international exposure. I've seen AQ branching out lately but management has been shaken up a bit recently... I have contacts there through family and might be interviewing soon, is this shop still any good or are their best days behind them? I also have interviews through a headhunter with the Aryan Brotherhood and a few BBs (Crips/Bloods/PETA). Any suggestions on who will have best deal flow and culture?
The true players are the ones you've never heard of.
also, for those more interested in the industry and how it has played out, this is the book you need to read:
http://www.amazon.com/McMafia-Journey-Through-Criminal-Underworld/dp/14…
This is the Oil 101 of this topic
Blood in, blood out.
I don't know about you guys, but I have a thing about working in Japan ...so I've been trying to network with some junior Yakuzas ..believe it or not ..they're more occupied than the crips/bloods/latin kings ..or even the triads ...apparently deal flow in the asian markets is heating up.
I heard through the grapevine that Bloods are equal opportunity employers, so I'm gonna go with Bloods
I hear you can only get Crips/Bloods coming out of H/S/W in this economy. Non-target? Need not apply, especially if you aren't a URM - it's all they hire - out of control.
From models & bottles to hoes and bling-blings?? :)
Lol, the new intern is the bottom bitch. The managing directors has the new interns on the corner. What a money maker. Oldmansacks needs to take one for the team and get the lipstick out and get to work.
Let's just hope that free markets prevail and no conglomerates of this scale are ever formed:
http://www.youtube.com/embed/0tXHLQSmIpI
You got to keep the eye on the price!: http://www.luiskano.net/blog/2007/03/16/decomisan-mas-200-millones-de-d…
crips all the way (i like blue more than red)
I'd become a 1%er, myself. Great pay, lots of travel.
Hell yeah, ride those Harleys....
This thread is still getting posts!!!???
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hahhha classic post. Thanks for the link
Hmm cannot you get a FT from C or B if your not black or hispanic? I heard they had a class action lawsuit against they the LAPD for not allowing Whites or Asians join.
Either one would be fine. Just avoid the latin kings. They're like the indian call center of gangs.
Wall Street should really take a look at their OCR "Best Practices"
-Half Joke
was wondering myself. I guess it brings in more traffic being on the front page. good strategy.
They are both really competitive. They both put that, hmmmm, intimidation factor on the resume that IB just can't resist.
If you're white then learning the Crip walk may keep you out.
i say we just branch off and create our own group based off of theft and then investing our profits into penny stocks. could have meetings once a week where we indulge in some henny and purps and boast about the licks we hit earlier in the week.
Family syndicate compared to gangs
Perks of syndicate side: 1. Progression - soldier -> made man -> boss -> upper management 2. Exit ops -> politics (Kennedy Family), private industry (Gotti), retirement 3. Training -> early recruitment age, secondary (work with crew), post secondary (prison) 4. Connectivity -> unions, policians, police, media, private industry 5. International platform with overseas assignments avaiable for the adventurous 6. Vertically integrated business model 7. Sophisticated financial services available for qualified participants
Downsides: 1. Strict hierarchy, higher level of discipline, blood lines sometimes a factor 2. Slow progression, typically have to stab backs to get ahead, takeovers frequent 3. Severely restricted post secondary ops (aka, fewer options in private industry) 4. Restricted access to growth industries (aka, drugs & weapons) 5. Tougher regulatory environment than past decades (FBI making so many damn rules, DEA, RICO, PATRIOT) 6. Increased privatization of traditional industries: aka legal gambling, prostitution, and increased use of private security companies 7. Increased hostility from media and general culture than in past eras, some blame politics, others just see a secular trend towards industry restructuring in the post 911 environment
All in all, it's an issue of fit: where can you do your best work? There are opportunities on both sides, but one is more focused on the distribution end and the other is more focused on the institutional side of the underworld business. One size does not fit all. Some people jump between the gang side and the syndicate side early in their careers, but by post secondary education time it should be clear where you want to build your career. Jumping from syndicate to syndicate (aka LCN vs mafiya) is typically done on a contract basis only, permanent employment is rare for job switchers and contract workers. Some people do make the jump but it's rare and heavily regulated (FBI again, they got their noses in everything). As with all such ventures, death, dismemberment, dislocation, relocation, imprisonment, and general disgrace are commonplace.
Hey, why not, I got stuck on a boring ass call...
the Mob in NYC got Corporate Banking on lock, tons of ̶l̶o̶a̶n̶ ̶s̶h̶a̶r̶k̶s̶ ... I mean MDs
lolol good one) join French Foreign Legion or Israeli Military)
Can't go wrong with either.
I keep a blue flag hanging out my backside. But only on the left side, yeah that's the Crip side
Hmmmmm.
All I know is if the onramp from LAX to the 105 west is closed and you have to take Slauson east to get to 110/downtown...you don't wanna fuck with either one of them
What about an up-and coming firm in West Baltimore?? I hear Marlo Stanfield is really hot right now. Ofc after my 2 year stint I want to join the supply-side with the Greeks.
models & waking up in new Bugattis
Pshh Crips and Bloods are so 90's. You should go to Chicago and be a GD or a BD. Its a rough and even deadly work environment some would say but there's plenty of exit opportunities like signing a deal with Chief Keef.
Ehh... I would say your best bet is to join ISIS before recruiting turns Goldman Sachs caliber. Sarting pay is above-average and they're soon to become a national powerhouse. Bloods have been declining and Crips have went similar to Lehman. Regional powerhouse for sure, soon to be global.
hello
Has it been three years already?
Since no one bothered to actually answer the question, it's definitely the bloods.
The real question is which one has Wayne Brady as a pimp in it.
I heard the gang with the most power is the USG (United States Government). Try them out.
C.R.A.S.H., Rampart Division.
exit opps: a box. Ya dead, homie. D-E-D. DED.
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