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  • Associate 2 in IB-M&A
May 11, 2021 - 10:52pm

It's great. I love the fact that sheeple white people are forced to watch videos and attend lectures telling them they're racist scum. And the best part is that they'll sit there and take it up the ass with a smile before asking management to shove it in a little deeper, all because they're scared cowards or self-loathing liberals. Makes me laugh so hard.

  • Associate 1 in IB - Cov
May 12, 2021 - 12:27am

Agreed.  Absolutely LOVE THIS for them, ded fkn srs.

The self loathing white SJW supporting liberals that works at DISNEY and GOLDMAN SACHS and FACEBOOK and GOOGLE and every other elite corporate entity deserve to be told they are racist and unfairly reached their position of power.  They voted for it, they deserve it.

May 12, 2021 - 11:46am

OMG, the word "sheeple" is one of the most insufferable terms of all time...especially when using it to describe the population of one of the most individualistic, culturally diverse countries in the world.     

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May 11, 2021 - 11:19pm

This ideology is literal poison. It seems as if it was specifically designed to tear our country apart, race by race. It's core belief is that our very institutions are designed to maintain white supremacy, and that if you are a minority and can't succeed, it's not your fault. It's the fault of capitalism, our laws, the courts, the very institutions that make up the United States. It rejects personal responsibility and the ability of the individual to better himself. This philosophy is readily being accepted by the younger generations (wHo aRE gOIng tO sAVe tHe wORLd froM cLiMatE cHAngE!!!). It will only spread further as it is propagated throughout the schools and every facet of our lives. This evil needs to be stamped out with the truth. America is quite possibly one of the greatest country on this planet. Anyone who works hard, works smart, and makes the right decisions here can pull themselves into the middle class. The fact that you don't look "white" is not why you are behind. And can someone please remind me, if our country is built on racism, why is it that Asian-Americans are more prosperous than whites? Oh yeah, it's because they are mOdEl MINoRitIEs who somehow also benefit from white supremacy, not because their parents raised them to be responsible and hard-working. Fuck this poison. It needs to die.

May 11, 2021 - 11:30pm

Yeah, and if you're against CRT, you're a racist. 

"If you always put limits on everything you do, physical or anything else, it will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them." - Bruce Lee

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May 12, 2021 - 9:52am

I would disagree. A diversity program is not necessarily CRT.

CRT basically explains everything in the world through the lens of race...which is obviously wrong for so many reasons.

However, you can still support diversity programs while realizing that blaming everything on race doesn't make sense. I think that's where we've been in the US for the past 30 years or so.

I think most people who support diversity realize that this a great country but you may still want to give some people a leg up with a bad starting point.

CRT believes this is a terrible and inherently racist country and it must be equalized by force.

Hence, two very different ideas actually.

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May 11, 2021 - 11:53pm

White privilege is overplayed. 

Economic privilege is a thing

High iq privilege is a thing.

Being an atheltic 6 foot 10 black guy privilege is a thing

Being a hot girl privilege is a thing(literal life on easy mode, regardless of race)

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May 12, 2021 - 9:18am

White privilege is not a thing. You don't get benefits for being white. Are there white-only diversity programs? How about white-only recruiting events? Wait, what about white-only stimulus checks? Nope? Then stfu

Edit: Real privilege is growing up with 2 parents, which ~80% of black children do not get to do. That is not white specific just look at Hispanics and Asians.

May 12, 2021 - 9:58am

I asked this question on another post some time back and never got a response from the guy I asked the question of:

"If you could choose to be born, in America, into either a white family or a black family, with the specific family being chosen completely at random among all white and black families in America, which would you pick? You will remember absolutely nothing from your current life, and will have to start completely anew."

  • Associate 1 in IB - Cov
May 12, 2021 - 10:29am

Even Republican leaders acknowledge that white privilege and systemic racism are very real. The only thing that is up for debate is how responsible these things are for holding back black Americans in society. 

The fact that you don't know this shows how close minded you are. Maybe if you were more open minded you wouldn't have been stuck in your mediocre F500 program for so long ;) Let me know if you want to do a networking call so you can maybe break into IB

  • Associate 1 in IB - Cov
May 12, 2021 - 11:19am

The only thing holding back black people in america is their own culture.

We elected a black president.

African immigrants are just as successful as whites in this country.

When black communities start embracing education, two parent households, and turning away from criminal activities, you will see their communities flourish.  

May 12, 2021 - 12:14pm

Jokes aside, I think this is an interesting point.

When Obama and Harris got elected, everyone kept saying that this was an important historic event...

But if this country is still racist at its core, then Obama and Kamala's elections have no meaning. They are not historic as they do not represent a change in the way the country looks at race. According to this point of view, their election is completely an accident that cannot be explained.

The truth is probably somewhere in the middle. Some racism still exists, but the election of Obama and Kamala shows that the country has come a long way from even 40 years ago.

May 12, 2021 - 12:14pm

Even Republican leaders acknowledge that white privilege and systemic racism are very real. The only thing that is up for debate is how responsible these things are for holding back black Americans in society. 

This isn't true at all. We acknowledge that there is systemic racism against Asian people, which is objectively true. There is zero systemic racism against black people in America. There are individual cases of racism, yes, but the systems of power all favor black people in the U.S. CRT is literal systemic racism against white people and affirmative action is literally systemic racism against Asians. 

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May 12, 2021 - 9:53am

wherethefisdonny

Being a hot girl privilege is a thing(literal life on easy mode, regardless of race)

I think it was Dave Attel that had a really good joke on this a while back, "Words you will never hear....'Look at that hot homeless chick on the corner'"

May 11, 2021 - 11:53pm

But it's a helpful framework for making sense of our society and the racial inequities that pervade it

I'll explain to you very simply why these inequities exist. Native-born blacks, in general, spend less time in school and more time hanging out with their buddies. Those who don't become successful. Asians, in general, spend more time studying and delaying gratification. Those who don't become failures. There you go. That's my critical race theory.

May 12, 2021 - 12:08am

If anything is choppy , sorry typed this quickly on mobile. 

I have a big problem with it being in schools Because As others mentioned it is incredibly divisive. Personally as a kid I didn't know much about race and gender in the current. Yeah I was aware that some classmates were girls and others were different races, but I never was told I am an active oppressor or inherent racist. Slavery was recognized but it was also seen as something of the past. Now we are in the MLK area if you will one where color doesn't matter. CRT goes opposite ton MLK and says that color DOES matter.  Additionally it will be taught as fact. Whats even worse is part of CRT is ways to organize and challenge the systems in place. At a minimum you will see violent acts such as riots and looting get a pass in the name of "social justice" and at the extreme you have a Marxist revolution. And you can be sure that students grades will be tied to adopting and regurgitating these theories. Critical thinking is a thing of the past.

I have a problem with it being at the workplace because it is standard to keep politics out of the work place again due to the divisive nature of it yet this CRT training seems to get a pass. For what it's worth these big corporations talk about equality yet continue to outsource labor paying workers in Bangladesh $1/hour to sew clothes in terrible working conditions. Where's the push for these workers?

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  • Analyst 2 in IB - Gen
May 12, 2021 - 12:16am

You guys all need to chill out. Bunch of snowflakes getting triggered over nothing. White privilege is a thing and it'll only be broken down and examined more widely through powerful tools like CRT. Is CRT imperfect? Definitely. But it's a helpful framework for making sense of our society and the racial inequities that pervade it. I'm with the rest of you in that I disagree with the toxic manner in which it's being promulgated in workplaces and schools, but that's no reason to cancel it entirely. These sorts of awakenings in the collective consciousness, whether it's towards monarchies or slavery or Jim Crow, always start out ugly--as so clearly evidenced here--but it's interesting to see where it takes us

This is an "awakening" in the collective consciousness in the same way that Maoist cultural revolution or National Socialism were awakenings. Everyone going retarded in short order because a very small, very powerful elite pushed an ideology down on the masses isn't some great thing. If an absolute and complete refusal to acknowledge any fact, statistic or argument that doesn't fit the narrative handed to you from on high is an "awakening", then maybe society should go the fuck back to sleep.

There is no evidence supporting critical theory as an effective or useful framework for examining human outcomes. It's a mind pathogen. Something that we must work towards eradicating if our civilization is to survive. 

May 12, 2021 - 1:03am

Analyst 2 in IB - Gen

You guys all need to chill out. Bunch of snowflakes getting triggered over nothing. White privilege is a thing and it'll only be broken down and examined more widely through powerful tools like CRT. Is CRT imperfect? Definitely. But it's a helpful framework for making sense of our society and the racial inequities that pervade it. I'm with the rest of you in that I disagree with the toxic manner in which it's being promulgated in workplaces and schools, but that's no reason to cancel it entirely. These sorts of awakenings in the collective consciousness, whether it's towards monarchies or slavery or Jim Crow, always start out ugly--as so clearly evidenced here--but it's interesting to see where it takes us

This is an "awakening" in the collective consciousness in the same way that Maoist cultural revolution or National Socialism were awakenings. Everyone going retarded in short order because a very small, very powerful elite pushed an ideology down on the masses isn't some great thing. If an absolute and complete refusal to acknowledge any fact, statistic or argument that doesn't fit the narrative handed to you from on high is an "awakening", then maybe society should go the fuck back to sleep.

There is no evidence supporting critical theory as an effective or useful framework for examining human outcomes. It's a mind pathogen. Something that we must work towards eradicating if our civilization is to survive. 

Very well said

May 12, 2021 - 11:02am

STFU about white privilege BS.

As a minority, I know it's just another racist attempt for white people to try to control us. All this SJW crap is just "White Men's Burden 2.0".

We didn't need your "help" 200 years ago and we sure as hell don't need it now.

We ain't falling for it this time.

May 12, 2021 - 11:04am

Yes, it is surely "white privilege" that makes blacks not want cooperate when they're being arrested for breaking the law and then get shot for pulling knives on officers. Every time I see that in the news and then the inevitable chimpout, I just remember it's because I am white that they do that and I need to check my privilege at the door 

  • Analyst 2 in IB - Gen
May 12, 2021 - 12:24am

I'm sure this thread will be full of civil discourse 

It will be a handful of people being shit on by most posters probably. There are ideological wokies and there are analytical finance people. The latter group has some overlap with wokies, but far less than fields like tech. Most woke people in finance are incidentally woke - they're going along with what they're told to believe. If polite society told them different then their views would change. They're politically inactive. The subset of finance people who are willing to bitch about politics online is overwhelmingly going to be anti woke garbage.

May 12, 2021 - 12:06am

The social and economic outcomes of Nigerian immigrants are on par with US born whites. Same is true for West Indians, who in almost all cases were descended from slaves.

CRT is nonsense devised by the same people who openly claim that black adults are too stupid and disorganized to figure out how to get a Govt ID.

May 12, 2021 - 12:16am

It is absolutely pathetic. It stems from this belief that if something is fucked up in your life... it's not your fault but the system. fucking participation trophy generation

  • Associate 1 in PE - LBOs
May 12, 2021 - 1:01am

Everyone I work with at my fund is white and conservative. It's so chill I love it. Literally fuck ever working or dealing with hardcore liberals. Got my fill in college and never want to subject myself to the combination of mind numbing stupidity and utter lack of self-awareness. It's reflected in what they believe of course, which includes CRT.

May 12, 2021 - 7:24am

neither I, nor a single one of my black relatives believes this kinda stuff

now, to answer the question, like all banks, my BB has diversity initiatives and I'm involved in a few efforts locally. I am not involved in the hiring process but I do firmly believe the way to have more diversity of thought (which is my focus more than box checking) is to expand recruitment channels and get people of different backgrounds instead of a rainbow of colors from the top colleges in the country. maybe it's willful blindness, but this is definitely not a top-down firm level initiative. surely some people within the diversity circles believe this stuff but I've not heard any of that stuff here locally or even regionally.

May 12, 2021 - 7:25am

I told you so and I hope every Biden voter gets it hammered in their head for the next 4 years. 

Then maybe the Italian-American duo, president DeSantis and his newly appointed chief of anti-racism, Chris Rufo, will free America from the sociopathic racist dictatorship of white liberals.

Never discuss with idiots, first they drag you at their level, then they beat you with experience.

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  • Research Associate in Research - Other
May 12, 2021 - 11:17am

neink

Never discuss with idiots, first they drag you at their level, then they beat you with experience.Never discuss with idiots, first they drag you at their level, then they beat you with experience.

Unfortunately you're one  of those idiots.

May 12, 2021 - 11:35am

neink

Never discuss with idiots, first they drag you at their level, then they beat you with experience.Never discuss with idiots, first they drag you at their level, then they beat you with experience.

Unfortunately you're one  of those idiots.

Hi Miltonfriedcoward. You get what you deserve.

Speaking of idiots, the day you start your sentence by identifying intersectional combination, you are certainly one.

Never discuss with idiots, first they drag you at their level, then they beat you with experience.

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  • Analyst 1 in RE - Comm
May 12, 2021 - 8:36am

observing from across the pond so this may be off the mark or an oversimplification, but how can a country that twice elected a black president be systemically racist?

May 12, 2021 - 9:28am

Exactly. Fucking insane that CRT even has a place in today's discourse. Not only that, but we just elected a black, woman, VP. People have to have something to complain about, and people are being taught that their ineffectiveness (as a person, worker, education, whatever) is due to some systemic problem. Nope. Sorry, you just didn't put in the work that someone else did. Have you seen this generation interview? It's fucking tragic. No critical thinking, and if they don't get the job, they have no issue calling you to tell you off. It's insane.

Thank god I am just a few short years from having enough to fuck off into the woods somewhere and forget these idiots.

May 12, 2021 - 10:00am

I'm a Canadian who's worked in finance in both the US and Canada and I'd never even heard of this CRT concept until now.

I'm not saying I agree with CRT but I'm just stopping by to say that some of y'all are way too mad in here. You can disagree with an ideology without shitting on its proponents or singling out people who support it.

  • Prospect in IB-M&A
May 12, 2021 - 10:40am

Genuine question, if you don't like it why don't you just quit, what do you benefit from complaining? Or do you just want an echo chamber?

May 12, 2021 - 12:14pm

Genuine question, if you don't like it why don't you just quit, what do you benefit from complaining? Or do you just want an echo chamber?

You can not like certain aspects of the job and still do it for other reasons. People discuss their views here because that discussion is not allowed in the workplace.

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May 12, 2021 - 11:15am

As a minority, I know that all this CRT BS is just another nefarious attempt for white people to try to control us.

"Oh we're so sorry our ancestors were super racist to you. But we are doing our best to fix it ya know? So just let us do things for you". 

HORSESHIT.

You know what the white colonialists said 200 years ago when they ransacked the rest of the world? They used this thing called "White Men's Burden" to justify taking over colonies and fucking shit up.

"Oh look at these poor uncivilized people. We have no choice but to help them out". 

WE AIN'T BUYING IT THIS TIME.

May 12, 2021 - 11:38am

Milton Friedchickenman

As a minority, I know that all this CRT BS is just another nefarious attempt for white people to try to control us.

"Oh we're so sorry our ancestors were super racist to you. But we are doing our best to fix it ya know? So just let us do things for you". 

HORSESHIT.

You know what the white colonialists said 200 years ago when they ransacked the rest of the world? They used this thing called "White Men's Burden" to justify taking over colonies and fucking shit up.

"Oh look at these poor uncivilized people. We have no choice but to help them out". 

WE AIN'T BUYING IT THIS TIME.

When the Mongols killed off 1/4 of the world population in a brutal manner, they were angels instead. Rofl.

Never discuss with idiots, first they drag you at their level, then they beat you with experience.

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May 12, 2021 - 12:14pm

neink

Milton Friedchickenman

As a minority, I know that all this CRT BS is just another nefarious attempt for white people to try to control us.

"Oh we're so sorry our ancestors were super racist to you. But we are doing our best to fix it ya know? So just let us do things for you". 

HORSESHIT.

You know what the white colonialists said 200 years ago when they ransacked the rest of the world? They used this thing called "White Men's Burden" to justify taking over colonies and fucking shit up.

"Oh look at these poor uncivilized people. We have no choice but to help them out". 

WE AIN'T BUYING IT THIS TIME.

- expand -

When the Mongols killed off 1/4 of the world population in a brutal manner, they were angels instead. Rofl.

Genghis Khan was Asian, so it was okay according to CRT. 

  • Analyst 1 in IB - Gen
May 12, 2021 - 12:14pm

Milton Friedchickenman

As a minority, I know that all this CRT BS is just another nefarious attempt for white people to try to control us.

"Oh we're so sorry our ancestors were super racist to you. But we are doing our best to fix it ya know? So just let us do things for you". 

HORSESHIT.

You know what the white colonialists said 200 years ago when they ransacked the rest of the world? They used this thing called "White Men's Burden" to justify taking over colonies and fucking shit up.

"Oh look at these poor uncivilized people. We have no choice but to help them out". 

WE AIN'T BUYING IT THIS TIME.

I don't believe in CRT, either. But that's simply because I don't think it totally rests on being a legal issue. Most laws in this country have been written at the time of 2021 to provide a degree of fairness to all races, both women and men. Because of that, I'm comfortable with rejecting this concept as too ideological.

However, I do think the legacy of slavery, the failed Reconstruction, and Jim Crow have left a stain and caused a tremendous gap where primarily poor southern black people, the ex slave descendants, were left with a lot of economic and mental destitution. And, when I look at the hood, I see people who are comfortable with their surroundings because that's what they inherited and have grown accustomed to it as their own.

For that reason, I think governments have a lot of unworking to do for their own past mistakes. The institution of slavery and Jim Crow were both brought on by governments and I look at it as an incomplete job to rebuild those communities they once tore down. It's necessary to accept the fact that within our current culture exists a subculture that was engineered to be broken.

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  • Analyst 1 in IB - Gen
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