Agree with the above poster... I never understood the need to care or even think about what someone else is wearing. As long as they're presentable, who gives a shit? That being said, there are too many tools in this industry with the mentality of some of the posters in this thread, so its probably best to keep it low key, especially as an intern or analyst.

 

Are some of you really this dense? Cufflinks are a MUST in every country outside of the US in banking, consultancy, and yes even accountancy.

I was a summer analyst in BB bank and I would say over 80% of us and the full-time analysts wore cufflinks EVERYDAY. As for Big 4, I work in consulting now and again the majority of business analysts and consultants wear cufflinks. As you get to manager or senior manager level, that percentage goes up to nearly 100%.

This is in London, and have seen the same thing in Paris, HK and Singapore. America is wayyyy behind when it comes to business attire and far too casual. Also button collars are a distinct faux pas, as are pockets on shirts for everyone except accountants...and even then do avoid them.

 

PallMall, calling them "a must" is a little much. I agree they carry different stereotypes overseas, esp in Europe, than they do here in the states.

Like a few have said, who cares what you wear as long as you are presentable.... All the insecure douche rockets who work in this industry are the only ones.... Those are the same dudes hanging out in Meat Packing District every weekend and the same dudes who go to the chopping block when times are tough.

 
HFFBALLfan123:
......or america is ahead of the curve and realized you don't need to dress like you're going to a wedding everyday. If you work in a HF or PE most people just wear a nice button down and slacks, and yes sometimes our button downs have buttons on the collars, o fuck.

Or American just has no fashion style. Cufflinks/double cuff shirts are standard in the UK even as interns, and no one looks like they are going down to a wedding. If you think cufflinks make you look that formal then I am guessing you are on of those that think khaki's with a button down collar qualifies as business wear. As LSO once proclaimed "button down collar, kenneth cole shit".

 

The UK also wears more pastel shirt/tie combos than the GD Easter bunny. Looks like what my mom put on me to go to church when I was 5 years old. Hardly high-brow fashion (or "fashion style" as derivs Engrish so redundantly put it).

And aside from the solids, the Thomas Pink patterned shirts they are so fond of look like a guy tripping acid diarhhea'd on some fabric.

xoxo, hope that helps

 

Future father in law is the equivalent of an MD (and then some) at a Big 4 in NYC. He only wears cufflinks when he goes to London. Just a thought.

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happypantsmcgee:

Future father in law is the equivalent of an MD (and then some) at a Big 4 in NYC. He only wears cufflinks when he goes to London. Just a thought.

Sounds reasonable :) It's actually pretty difficult to get barrel cuffed shirts in London. Paris might also be a good place to wear cufflinks (after all, they call it "french cuffs", eh? :D). While these two cities might qualify for an IBer's "rest of the world", I can assure you that the rest of the world does not wear cuff links exclusively!
 

I know an analyst at a big 4 who wears platinum cufflinks with his initials engraved (seriously, that thing shines so much you have to look at the sun be get your sight back) His father is a major ceo though and this kid is himself wealthier than most of the office partners... that's the reason why he doesn't care about the shitty pay you get at a big4.

 

big four only wear khakis and regular shirts, no tie. Cuff links would look ridiculously strange with that. The only time they wear suits is when they are on a client that requires suits to be worn at all time.

 

HAHAH what a tool I've had some friends in BB who bought French cuff shirts by accident and ended up rolling up the sleeves rather than wearing cufflinks as an analyst When everyone else in your class is sleeping 3 hours a night and looking like shit - if you come in rocking cufflinks, a pink tie and grey pin-striped suit - you're getting ridiculed...and staffed.

 

I'm a consultant with a Big 4 firm and cufflinks are fine. I wouldn't look twice at an intern with them.

It's a Canadian office, so maybe that makes a difference. Although a manager from Australia just arrived, and he's been wearing cufflinks and a director from Europe.

To me it seems as if cufflinks are acceptable here. I personal prefer french cuffs as I have long monkey arms ;)

Good luck, and hopefully you get in some of the good training courses.

TT

 

In Canada, no problem.

Just need to be aware of the client. In office I am cufflinks and suit (occasional 3 button), and for formal clients (banks, first meetings, prestigious companies).

For other clients, it is business casual. Ask your senior consultant, manager or director about the client's side.

One caveat, I don't normally throw on the tie unless it is really formal (or really want to try out a new tie).

 

I really don't see a problem with cufflinks as long as they aren't big and flashy, small and conservative cufflinks don't make you look like a douche and I think it is a pretty sharp look. Now when you make partner you can step it up to whatever you want, a partner I interviewed with had huge ridiculous cufflinks on and I doubt anyone thought negatively about him for that.

 

Big 4 internship; dump the links. Let me guess, loafers too? I think there's something to be said for being understated at the lower ranks and I feel that's especially so for the summers.

For the links they seem to be evenly split among the FT IBD crowd in Canada but I think it'd be very inappropriate for what the op mentioned.

 

Non-US? wear the cufflinks! Non-accounting? (i.e. advisory/consulting) wear the cufflinks, but stay conservative. But if you are (1) U.S. (2) intern and (3) accountant, do NOT wear the cuff links.

"You are neither right nor wrong because the crowd disagrees with you. You are right because your data and reasoning are right." -Warren Buffett
 

Hahaha, and when you are on your internship you will also not be taken seriously if you don't act busy, such as for example.. when they ask you to get Starbucks you reply, "I'll consider it, Let me check my schedule and get back to you."

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