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Mar 29, 2014

Not prestigious enough. Work harder.

Mar 29, 2014
BTbanker:

Not prestigious enough. Work harder.

LOL

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Mar 29, 2014

Seriously though - hope you were trolling, and know that you can definitely make a switch to BB or MBB out of UVA regardless of how you got there. It's a combo of attitude, grades, networking, summer accoc internship, etc.

Frankly, there's no accomplishment that will ever impress a banker. It's what you can do for the firm that matters.

Apr 24, 2014

laughed

happy to give advice; no asking for referrals please

Mar 30, 2014

They won't care. It'll look fine and won't hurt you but that's not what they really are looking for. They are focused on fit and want to make sure you can do the job. Darden is a good enough school that you'll get a bunch of interviews even if it's not on your resume

May 8, 2014
mba2014:

won't hurt you

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Mar 30, 2014

I'd ask if you got a full ride or if this is all just hypothetical but its semi dumb to say yeah its me if it was since they only give a few battens out each year. I definitely think its a good talking piece and I'd ask what you did to deserve it if it wasn't obvious on your resume which I think it would be

Mar 30, 2014

Perfect example of a book smart kid asking a stupid fucking question.

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Mar 30, 2014

It looks good how Phi Beta Kappa or being fluent in a non-European language looks good: it *may* get a glance or make you stand out just enough to get a first round interview, but nothing more.

A full-ride to Darden is impressive, but I'm sure you already have impressive accomplishments (whether academic or professional) on your resume. Besides, there becomes a point where you get diminishing returns on these achievements.

Mar 30, 2014

Wow, some people on this website are way too quick to jump down a persons throat. The guy had an honest question about how a full-ride (to a top 10ish school) would be perceived on a resume, and people automatically call him an idiot......either be helpful or just don't respond to him, there is no reason to make it personal.

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May 8, 2014
HBS1985:

Wow, some people on this website are way too quick to jump down a persons throat. The guy had an honest question about how a full-ride (to a top 10ish school) would be perceived on a resume, and people automatically call him an idiot......either be helpful or just don't respond to him, there is no reason to make it personal.

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Mar 30, 2014

Congrats very solid rigorous school that demands respect . what is your alternative

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May 8, 2014
shorttheworld:

Congrats very solid rigorous school that demands respect . what is your alternative

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Mar 30, 2014

Don't be this annoying during recruiting. No scholarship or higher ranking will save you from that.

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Mar 31, 2014

Tell tuck you have a full ride at an alternative school and you very very much so want to come to tuck but as an international student cheaper tuition is a big draw especially if its all or nothing since financing as an international is much trickier and more expensive than as a US student and you were wondering ifa half tuition scholarship is possible. I bet they'll bite.

Mar 31, 2014

100% agree with @shorttheworld. Tuck will almost certainly meet you somewhere in the middle. Given your affinity for Tuck (and my personal biases), if they meet you in the middle, I'd go for it.

May 8, 2014

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Mar 31, 2014

This must happen somewhat frequently with those two schools. Actually saw it happen a few years back and Tuck didn't budge at all. Not sure if they are more willing to be flexible if offer is from a traditionally higher ranked school.

Apr 1, 2014
graham2829:

This must happen somewhat frequently with those two schools. Actually saw it happen a few years back and Tuck didn't budge at all. Not sure if they are more willing to be flexible if offer is from a traditionally higher ranked school.

@"graham2829"29 Do you mean you saw someone with a Darden full-tuition scholarship and Tuck didn't give him/her anything?

@"Betsy Massar" Thanks. Actually, my letter doesn't state which Batten scholarship it is! I will check with admissions.

Do you have any thoughts on how prestigious or impressive this would be?

Also, how do I get Tuck to meet me halfway?! I don't care about international network but I love Tuck and wouldn't go anywhere else were it not for a six-figure scholarship.

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Apr 1, 2014

Correct. Full ride to Darden and Tuck didn't budge at all - this was 3 years ago, U.S. citizen. I don't think they are going to meet you halfway (or at all), but I guess you never know until you try. Definitely let us know how it goes.

Mar 31, 2014

Which Batten did you get?
http://www.darden.virginia.edu/web/mba/financial-a...
Some of these look pretty cool. You must be quite talented.

This is real money. But, do you hope to stay in the US for a while after you graduate? My sense is that internationally, Tuck is probably stronger, with a deeper and more active alumni network.

Betsy Massar
Come see me at my Q&A thread
http://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forums/b-school-qa-... Ask away!

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Apr 1, 2014

Just send them a message verbatim of what I said in my previous message and say you were wondering if they could give you a 20 or 30k a year scholarship because IRS hard as an Intl student with heightened financing costs to turn down a full ride

Apr 1, 2014

Interesting. I retract the "almost certainly" part of my statement (probably shouldn't have had that in there since I really don't know). At the same time, there's no doubt that Tuck reserves money for students on the fence. While it may typically go to those that have higher ranked schools as admits, I'm sure that's not a hard and fast rule. It's certainly worth trying either way.

The big issue I think is that there are a ton of dual admits to Tuck and Darden. Tuck wins almost all of those, probably even in cases where there is scholarship money there. Let us know what they say - that's a tough decision if Tuck doesn't move at all.

Apr 1, 2014

The big issue I think is that there are a ton of dual admits to Tuck and Darden. Tuck wins almost all of those, probably even in cases where there is scholarship money there.

Yep. In case I referenced above, person still went to Tuck despite not getting any $. As I mentioned earlier, I don't think this is a particularly uncommon situation for Tuck & Darden.

May 8, 2014
BGP2587:

At the same time, there's no doubt that Tuck reserves money for students on the fence. While it may typically go to those that have higher ranked schools as admits

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Apr 1, 2014

Tuck clearly doesn't value your presence as much as Darden does. This shouldn't be offensive or surprising to anyone with a touch of humility and/or awareness.

In my opinion, there is a pretty sharp difference between overall quality of student bodies at #1-10 vs. #11-20 MBA programs. You have to consider that while you may be a star at Darden, you may (and likely will) be more middle of the pack at Tuck.

Tuck "valued and rewarded" you when they let you in over 100's of equally qualified, Tuck-crazy people who would gladly trade places with you in a second.

I have to say the sense of entitlement here is painful.

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May 8, 2014

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Apr 1, 2014

@graham2829 well put and SB'ed.

@RustyR Dude, seriously, take a few minutes (days) and let this all calm down. You are in a GOOD situation. Complicated? A bit, but still good. If anyone told you a few months ago that'd you be staring down this tough decision you would have been ecstatic. Keep that in perspective.

I think you might just be a bit too utopian about this process. Of course Tuck doesn't value you as much as it does others, that's just how life works. That doesn't make ANY difference in the grand scheme of things. You still take the same classes as everyone else, access the same employers, and form the same relationships. Part of what you pay for is to be surrounded by the best possible classmates, so hopefully they do use some money to attract people away from elsewhere. Moreover, you can bet that Tuck turned down hundreds (thousands) of applicants that "love" Tuck and want to be there, and they're likely going to force a couple hundred more matriculating students to pay full price, even though they "love" Tuck (myself included).

To go to your Wharton example, you're just flat out wrong about that. A LOT of Tuck admits applied to Wharton and HBS, which are perceived to be very different schools culturally. Does that make them people not excited about Tuck? No! It makes them realists that understand the value of certain programs. Maybe the applicant you're referring to loves Tuck, but just can't possibly justify going there over Wharton because it's ranked higher and has better access to whatever field they want get into. However, they see those differences as marginal, to the point where $ could sway them to the school they really would enjoy.

Money isn't going to sway a Wharton or HBS admit to Tuck alone. It's still in the middle of nowhere with a tiny, tight-knit student body and freezing cold winters. However, it could sway someone that truly loves Tuck to back out of what they perceive as a better school that they can't turn down without a reason to do so.

Anyway. I've already given you my opinion via PM, which I'll paste here: you can turn down the money if you want to. It would not be the wrong decision. You only get one shot at an MBA, and the ROI is incredibly high from the school you'd choose over the free ride. I have seen you say on here that you think Tuck is arguably the best school in the world - would you really turn down the best school in the world for $100k, when you're likely to make $2M+ in career earnings? That's for you to decide. Just don't make either decision because you feel like you "have to".

Apr 1, 2014
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