Just search the site a little bit. Rothschild is said to be one of the best options in the UK and Europe. There are threads where people advice taking Rothschild over Morgan Stanley.. Just use the search function, plenty of stuff around on here.
And yeah, btw, take Rothschild, it's a powerhouse in London.
thank you, I have been assuming Rothschild is the best option.
My other consideration was Gleacher Shacklock - from an outsider's perspective on the industry it is difficult to gauge the position of this firm, they seem very small but also worked on some pretty big deals
1) Moelis (i think generalist is very valuable)
2) Roths (redic sell side deal flow, but may get put in debt advisory or ECM, lot of interns may decrease conversion ratio)
3) Gleacher (very good RXing, solid senior guys with dealflow starting to pick up on M&A, high conversion ratio)
4) Citi / Hawkpoint (Citi great name, poor group. Hawkpoint, well respected)
"After you work on Wall Street it’s a choice, would you rather work at McDonalds or on the sell-side? I would choose McDonalds over the sell-side.” - David Tepper
Agree with Oreos' order, except I'd put Citi at #5 simply because it's in CMO and not a good IBD group.
Only other change would be to put Roths as #1 and Moelis #2 if you want to be a career banker and will not seek buyside exits.
I'd go with:
1) Rothschild - fantastic platform in Europe and gives you an outstanding name on your CV if you decide IBD is not for you after your internship or if you want to move to a BB for FT;
2) Moelis - They are hiring at the FT level so probably, if you do well, you will have the chance to continue there as FT analyst and they are one of the top boutique on the street. Probably your work more than at Rothschild or Citi since I don't think they have any support team (ie: presentation or market material) that can help you to do the "change format" things;
3) Citi - I don't know anything about that specific group but the name is still solid and it will look OK on your CV if you want to move to another bank or into another industry;
4) Gleacher - met people that started there and now are in better banks (ie. Evercore) but I don't know that much about this firm;
5) Hawkpoint
I'm grateful that I have two middle fingers, I only wish I had more.
"After you work on Wall Street it’s a choice, would you rather work at McDonalds or on the sell-side? I would choose McDonalds over the sell-side.” - David Tepper
Go with Rothschild (for the reasons mentioned above - hours can be brutal from what I am hearing from friends in M&A)
Everyone keeps on hyping Moelis - they may be the bee's knees in the US but they have yet to establish themselves properly in the EMEA region.
Citi has done a few pretty big deals lately including the Barcap CoCo, the Telefonica (Deutschland) IPO and a few others... don't forget that CMO is not only ECM and DCM, there are also some rainmaking derivs businesses as well as LevFin.
Hawkpoint is/was a good name but god knows what is gonna happen to it now that Canaccord Genuity has acquired it.
Go with Rothschild (for the reasons mentioned above - hours can be brutal from what I am hearing from friends in M&A)
Everyone keeps on hyping Moelis - they may be the bee's knees in the US but they have yet to establish themselves properly in the EMEA region.
Citi has done a few pretty big deals lately including the Barcap CoCo, the Telefonica (Deutschland) IPO and a few others... don't forget that CMO is not only ECM and DCM, there are also some rainmaking derivs businesses as well as LevFin.
Hawkpoint is/was a good name but god knows what is gonna happen to it now that Canaccord Genuity has acquired it.
you trollin' capital markets because you had an AC with a group recently? undergrads giving advice to undergrads, perfect...
"After you work on Wall Street it’s a choice, would you rather work at McDonalds or on the sell-side? I would choose McDonalds over the sell-side.” - David Tepper
Go with Rothschild (for the reasons mentioned above - hours can be brutal from what I am hearing from friends in M&A)
Everyone keeps on hyping Moelis - they may be the bee's knees in the US but they have yet to establish themselves properly in the EMEA region.
Citi has done a few pretty big deals lately including the Barcap CoCo, the Telefonica (Deutschland) IPO and a few others... don't forget that CMO is not only ECM and DCM, there are also some rainmaking derivs businesses as well as LevFin.
Hawkpoint is/was a good name but god knows what is gonna happen to it now that Canaccord Genuity has acquired it.
Number of Moelis guys I've come across on the buyside in London > 0
Number of Rothschild guys I've come across on the buyside in London = 0
Go with Rothschild (for the reasons mentioned above - hours can be brutal from what I am hearing from friends in M&A)
Everyone keeps on hyping Moelis - they may be the bee's knees in the US but they have yet to establish themselves properly in the EMEA region.
Citi has done a few pretty big deals lately including the Barcap CoCo, the Telefonica (Deutschland) IPO and a few others... don't forget that CMO is not only ECM and DCM, there are also some rainmaking derivs businesses as well as LevFin.
Hawkpoint is/was a good name but god knows what is gonna happen to it now that Canaccord Genuity has acquired it.
Number of Moelis guys I've come across on the buyside in London > 0
Number of Rothschild guys I've come across on the buyside in London = 0
That tends to happen when you work at shitty firms.
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I'd go
Rothschild Moelis Citi Gleacher Hawkpoint (don't know them)
Go with Rothschild!
thanks a lot! would you mind telling me why you think rothschild?
how about telling us what your career goal is?
Just search the site a little bit. Rothschild is said to be one of the best options in the UK and Europe. There are threads where people advice taking Rothschild over Morgan Stanley.. Just use the search function, plenty of stuff around on here.
And yeah, btw, take Rothschild, it's a powerhouse in London.
thank you, I have been assuming Rothschild is the best option.
My other consideration was Gleacher Shacklock - from an outsider's perspective on the industry it is difficult to gauge the position of this firm, they seem very small but also worked on some pretty big deals
It may be an interesting option, but considering you have an offer of Rothschild in hand, the decision should be clear.
rothschild hands down.
order of pref
1) Moelis (i think generalist is very valuable) 2) Roths (redic sell side deal flow, but may get put in debt advisory or ECM, lot of interns may decrease conversion ratio) 3) Gleacher (very good RXing, solid senior guys with dealflow starting to pick up on M&A, high conversion ratio) 4) Citi / Hawkpoint (Citi great name, poor group. Hawkpoint, well respected)
Roth not Even close
Agree with Oreos' order, except I'd put Citi at #5 simply because it's in CMO and not a good IBD group. Only other change would be to put Roths as #1 and Moelis #2 if you want to be a career banker and will not seek buyside exits.
What did you end up choosing OP?
I'd go with: 1) Rothschild - fantastic platform in Europe and gives you an outstanding name on your CV if you decide IBD is not for you after your internship or if you want to move to a BB for FT; 2) Moelis - They are hiring at the FT level so probably, if you do well, you will have the chance to continue there as FT analyst and they are one of the top boutique on the street. Probably your work more than at Rothschild or Citi since I don't think they have any support team (ie: presentation or market material) that can help you to do the "change format" things; 3) Citi - I don't know anything about that specific group but the name is still solid and it will look OK on your CV if you want to move to another bank or into another industry; 4) Gleacher - met people that started there and now are in better banks (ie. Evercore) but I don't know that much about this firm; 5) Hawkpoint
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Go with Rothschild (for the reasons mentioned above - hours can be brutal from what I am hearing from friends in M&A) Everyone keeps on hyping Moelis - they may be the bee's knees in the US but they have yet to establish themselves properly in the EMEA region. Citi has done a few pretty big deals lately including the Barcap CoCo, the Telefonica (Deutschland) IPO and a few others... don't forget that CMO is not only ECM and DCM, there are also some rainmaking derivs businesses as well as LevFin. Hawkpoint is/was a good name but god knows what is gonna happen to it now that Canaccord Genuity has acquired it.
That tends to happen when you work at shitty firms.
does anyone know anything about conversion ratios for internship : grad positions at Rothschild?
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