Did China buy the Olympics?

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This is nothing to do with any controversy or dodgy dealings, it's purely a view that they invested in winning golds, and that in the medal tables, a gold in the 100m is the same as a gold in the 10m trap shoot.

I was slightly surprised to see them so high up on the paralympic medal tables, especially when in the few events I've seen, I've not seen a single chinese medallist.

The difference between 1 (china) and 2 (GB) is massive, far disproportionate to that in the Olympics. Paying someone to compete against Usain Bolt would be an inefficient use of resources, but paying people to hit a target from 20 metres away, would be pretty cheap in comparison.

It's similar to trading I guess, the gold medals in the 100m are overpriced, and the ones in the random events are underpriced, so you buy those instead.

Not begrudging them, just a Friday afternoon view.

T

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Sep 7, 2012

When you say "did China buy the olympics", the average person thinks about bribing the refs. Based on your post, the more suitable phrase would be "did China invest in olympic athletes".

But I guess you used this inflammatory/misleading title to get people to click on this thread.

On topic: It's not unusual for governments to give support to athletes. Over here in the states, people pay to go to a gym/get a coach. In China, it's the other way around - the government spots talent at an early age and pays for all the kids' training/education/food/housing/etc.

Sep 7, 2012

yes the title is designed to get people to click on it.
I'm saying they picked which events to win and invested in those, rather than investing in those that have support for them (western style).

Sep 7, 2012
trazer985:

yes the title is designed to get people to click on it.
I'm saying they picked which events to win and invested in those, rather than investing in those that have support for them (western style).

They absolutely did that. China even has a whole government bureau dedicated to sports (http://www.sport.gov.cn/). Olympic medals are a huge point of national pride for the Chinese, and has in some ways close to the same importance as national security. It's all part of the show the government puts on for its people (to reiterate the Party's legitimacy) and to intimidate the rest of the world.

Note though that not many of China's medals are in individual events that require a certain innate talent. Their medals are in events where the athlete can be drilled to 'perfection' - shooting, gymnastics, archery, diving. They aren't good at relays and team sports because they aren't trained to think originally, to come up with things on the fly. They are good at succeeding when told "do this dive, and do it in this way, and practice it practice it practice it", but encouraging and nurturing original thought is not done in China.

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Sep 7, 2012
olafenizer:

Note though that not many of China's medals are in individual events that require a certain innate talent. Their medals are in events where the athlete can be drilled to 'perfection' - shooting, gymnastics, archery, diving. They aren't good at relays and team sports because they aren't trained to think originally, to come up with things on the fly. They are good at succeeding when told "do this dive, and do it in this way, and practice it practice it practice it", but encouraging and nurturing original thought is not done in China.

While your analysis on the CCP's concern for legitimacy is fair, what you've described above is both wrong and xenophobic.

Only 5/83 gold medals (6.02%) of China's gold medals came from the sports you have identified (shooting, gymnastic, archery, diving). 29 (34.94%) came from athletics, 21 (25.3%) came from swimming among other gold medals in cycling, rowing and table tennis. As least get your facts right before you go on a xenophobic tirade against another country's talented athletes.

Source: http://www.london2012.com/paralympics/country/chin...

Sep 8, 2012
olafenizer:
trazer985:

yes the title is designed to get people to click on it.
I'm saying they picked which events to win and invested in those, rather than investing in those that have support for them (western style).

They absolutely did that. China even has a whole government bureau dedicated to sports (http://www.sport.gov.cn/). Olympic medals are a huge point of national pride for the Chinese, and has in some ways close to the same importance as national security. It's all part of the show the government puts on for its people (to reiterate the Party's legitimacy) and to intimidate the rest of the world.

Note though that not many of China's medals are in individual events that require a certain innate talent. Their medals are in events where the athlete can be drilled to 'perfection' - shooting, gymnastics, archery, diving. They aren't good at relays and team sports because they aren't trained to think originally, to come up with things on the fly. They are good at succeeding when told "do this dive, and do it in this way, and practice it practice it practice it", but encouraging and nurturing original thought is not done in China.

If this is the thinking ability of a banker on average then the industry is certainly going down.

Oct 29, 2013

What the fuck are you talking about?

How you've survived long enough to learn to use a computer is mind boggling.

Oct 29, 2013

It's private vs. public. Sports in the US are a private enterprise and as a result the more popular sports get invested in.

It's not much different than the US not spending a shit load on curling, squash, or ping pong. In one country it's the free market that decides which sports get invested in and in the other it's the government.

Was this a revelation to you?

This capital allocation mechanism worked so well in their Olympic performance, it's rumored that they may adopt a similar mechanism in the Chinese economic system.

Sep 7, 2012

Misleading thread title but I do think we (in America) should be more intelligent about allocating training resources.

Sep 7, 2012
MCC:

Misleading thread title but I do think we (in America) should be more intelligent about allocating training resources.

Number #1 in total medals and #1 in gold is not enough for you?

Sep 7, 2012

They can't even rig the games and win... They need to get a fucking clue.

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Sep 7, 2012
BTbanker:

They can't even rig the games and win... They need to get a fucking clue.

When did they rig the games? Source?

Sep 7, 2012
Beretta:
BTbanker:

They can't even rig the games and win... They need to get a fucking clue.

When did they rig the games? Source?

I'd link to it, but the Chinese government covers their tracks.

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Sep 7, 2012

good for them, money is wonderful, how many golds can india afford? wow, they are really fcuked

How big is yours?

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Sep 7, 2012
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