Dinged last year - Looking to strengthen my profile
Hi everyone, new poster here. I have been following this forum since I started filling out my applications last year but just decided to sign up now because I am feeling a little lost and I wanted to pick the forum brains a little.
First off, a little background on me. I am from the Middle East and grew up in North Africa. Played tennis as a youth, got to 20 in the world in the junior world rankings. Attended a West Coast school (Academically top 50 but at the time were ranked number 1 in tennis) because I thought it was my best chance to go pro after graduation. Did not care about school, my dream was always to play tennis professionally and I was a bit immature and did not have the right mentors to wake me up to the importance of doing well in school. Result: 2.9 GPA as a business major. I was a 3 time All-American and upon graduation set off on tour. Reached top 500 in the world very rapidly but injuries stopped me 6 months into my career. Tried to come back for 2 years, but was unsuccessful. Joined my small family utility business back home as general manager while I tried to figure out my life.
Two years later, I decided that I wanted to head to business school to both right my wrongs and head for a new career path. 760 GMAT ** after 10 weeks of intense studying. At that time, two friends of mine approached me about their **startup and I decided to join them to experience something new. I applied to Stanford, Wharton, and Booth (I know, shooting high, but I figured perhaps with my fairly unique/international background I might have a shot at W and B, and S is my dream school so could not resist). I was dinged by both W and S without an interview and dinged by B after an interview.
Now, I am still at the startup but I really believe that business school for me. When I got to Booth for the interview I was so excited about going back to school and throwing my heart and soul into my education for the first time since I began playing tennis. **To the point of this thread, what can I do to strengthen my profile? ** We are currently running a crowdfunding campaign which I am managing, so that has been a good experience. Last year I took a UCLA Extension class (Calc. for Business) and got an A. I am considering taking HBX Core and perhaps one of the Wharton specialisations on Coursera. I am currently 28 and am worried that the opportunity to attend a top business school will slip away from me.
I know this comes across as a bit of a ramble but hope that some of you can give me some feedback/career advice.
I would consider applying to schools where acceptance is more of a sure thing. Nothing wrong with aiming high, but it seems like admissions has spoken. If you are dinged without an interview, I doubt there is much you could do in a year to change their minds this cycle.
I feel like with my plans to return back to the Middle East or stay in the UK (where my startup is currently located) it wouldn't make sense for me to go to a school outside the top 10. Even with schools like Booth and Kellogg the network is not strong in the Middle East.
I guess it would help to know what you want to do subsequent to business school. What is your MBA going to get you that you couldn't achieve otherwise?
You're definitely a non-traditional applicant that has a very interesting background. It might be worth your while talk to a admissions consultant, because with a 760 and tennis experience/story, I'm sure you're competitive at several M7 schools with the right story.
Thanks, I appreciate the advice. What's your take on online classes?
To be honest, there's too many strikes against you, in comparison to other applicants gunning for the top 8 schools: - low GPA - college pedigree (academically speaking, compared to a ton of applicants from Ivy/equivalent, top private/state schools, and top schools abroad who are now working in the US) - work experience an unknown quantity (more difficult to benchmark unique experience; again tons of applicants may have had startup experience, but they also did a few years at established firms, or if they didn't do that, they had strong GPAs at top schools)
Again, you have a high GMAT and a competitive/elite athlete, but banking on those two things alone to overcome the above is a tall order, especially for the top 8 schools where there are plenty of applicants who may not be quite as unique as you (i.e. not an elite athlete from North Africa) but who are a more known quantity in everything else and who have some unique aspects (even if it's not quite as unique as yours).
The thing with b-schools is this. They talk a big game about wanting leaders blah blah blah - which they do. BUT, they are also very concerned about their stats. Whether it's GMATs, incoming GPAs, employment stats, etc - because they are huge factors in the rankings game, and in terms of overall applicant interest (applicant volumes) which impact reputations over the longer term. These are often competing incentives because if you want the next Mark Zuckerberg, you'll have to take a lot more risks in the selection of applicants, eschewing these traditional measures (plus it's MUCH harder to pick out the needle in the haystack of unusual and off the beaten path folks - because for every homerun Zuckerberg you'll arguably get a ton more duds; with the traditional blue chip set, they're safer plays even if the homeruns are even more rare).
In plain English, the short-term incentives tend to win out. They want a class mostly of folks who are easily employable, regardless of what they say in their essays. They want folks who can get the jobs in banking/consulting, at more established firms like Google, Facebook, etc (and startups, buyside firms, etc who may be "small" but are staffed by folks who came from these big firms and are looking to hire folks in their own image). And with the new administration, they're also even more concerned about the employability of international students (not sure if you are). Yes, they'll showcase the token freak on their marketing materials, but if you dig a little deeper, they're not THAT unknown of a quantity either (i.e. they either went to a top college, and/or spent time however short at an established company, etc) - AND, they also tend to be American (not just citizens but those who grew up in the US). The international students tend to be more true blue corporate warriors (of any industry).
Here's what you can do:
Reapply to the top 8. But your chances aren't good to be honest. Even if you take a shitload of classes (doesn't matter where) to address your GPA, it doesn't completely erase your GPA, and it doesn't impact the others that you can't control (where you went to college, your work experience to date - yes, like many applicants you'll likely ask "what if I join XYZ tomm?" - just like taking a bunch of classes won't erase your GPA, being the new guy in the office at XYZ firm isn't going to erase years of prior work experience). Again, take those classes, reapply if you want to scratch that itch, but go in knowing that the odds are long.
Apply to a broader range of schools - the top 16 aren't beneath you given your background, unless you're just after pedigree for the sake of pedigree.
Don't bother with b-school at all. If you truly believe in yourself - that you are unique but an unknown quantity like Tim Ferriss pre-FourHourWorkWeek (say circa 2005?), then forget b-school. The beauty of business is that there is no one way to get to where you want to be. If you want to be a doctor or lawyer and don't get into grad school, you're done. But with business, you don't need an MBA. And if you really feel you're going to be truly successful in spite of your non-traditional background, then b-school may not be the right path for you. You may be the square peg in their round hole, but that doesn't mean you can't do incredibly well.
The most important thing to sort out for yourself is WHY you want to go to b-school badly. Chances are, it has nothing to do with b-school, and with something else more deep seated. And when you identify what that is, it's the first step in unlocking what is holding you back that has nothing to do with b-school at all.
Thanks for taking the time to go that in depth. Very though provoking response, will take some time to digest it.
I think your best shot would be Insead, as they may value your global experience. If that doesn't work out, I would suggest joining a global corporation with a known brand and rigor for a year or two, then reapply.
I would have taken this thread seriously had you not abused the bold feature. 10 intense weeks of studying!! Sick, bro.
Actually, the reason I did that was to make it easier for people who want to skim to pick out the stats from my story. Thanks for the useful feedback though.
I would expand list and apply to Duke/Tuck/Yale/Virginia/Berkeley since you seem to have more competitive shot there plus all are great schools
Fair, thank you.
If you're so set on going back to EMEA after school... why are you so focused on US MBA programs? Only the very top US programs will have strong networks in EMEA, and maybe not even then, as you've noted.
Why not look at strong European programs? If EMEA is your thing then INSEAD might be way better for you.
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