Do women like assholes?
WSO,
Do women like nice guys or do they like assholes?
How have your experiences been like?
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figuratively or literally?
Ask Tucker Max.
They don't like assholes, but they "like" it if you show them that they are not important. It makes them want to seek your approval. Best way to repel a woman is to worship her. You tell her "fuck off you ugly slut", she'll want you more.
I think post 20's this changes though. They mature from bimbo to Bimbo.
If you say "fuck off you ugly slut" to a girl and she is MORE into you, then she is not worth the dirt beneath your feet (and you need to change your tactics). Dumb state college girls like assholes - girls and women worth your time want a little more than to be treated like a diseased Guatemalan hooker. Make it seem like finding a girl is the last thing you need in your life right now, but that you instead choose to pay attention to a girl because she is special, or whatever. That is the golden ticket.
Well yeh, I wasn't saying this is what I do. Being an asshole attracts girls with low to no self-esteem, hence their need for your approval.
Here we go again with a woman topic.
Nothing wrong with being nice per se. The problem is "nice guys" tend to suck up to women and don't have a backbone. Think about it. Would you want to date someone who constantly called/texted you and was always on your beck and call?
Women are like cats. If you pamper them they will ignore you. If you ignore them, they will try to snuggle upto you and will want your attention.
are we talking about anal here?
Only waxed ones.
Neither. How about just acting normal - do what you feel like doing - and not overthink every move you make?
Any girl who has any self respect - and let's assume that you want a girl with self respect to date - would want someone who treats her well, but doesn't spend every second calling and texting. It's annoying when men are too nice, lie/hide what they actually think or want.
Only the assholes they want to fuck.
in all seriousness: depends.
women don't like being treated like shit. for the most part, if a woman's friends/family started treating her like shit she wouldn't "like" it. however, women are attracted to "social value"... i think that women desire "high social value" men more than good looking men or rich men.
when a man acts like a proper asshole, he often creates the perception amongst women that he is of high social value. after all, he's not like the rest of the dorky guys who grovel at women's feet to sleep with them. he's "out of their league" socially ("otherwise, why would he talk to us like that?"), which makes him more desirable, since women want to reproduce with the man with the highest value possible.
yes, i read too many pua books.
I'm an AMOG. Your pua tactics won't work around me.
good looking asshole=alpha male; ugly asshole=douchebag
good looking shy=mysterious; ugly shy=creeper/loser
etc.
you can get away with a lot by being a good looking person.
^^ is this still about the mom's panties thing? sorry dude, stop AMOGing me!!!!
Haha! You're now officially on my good side.
it depends how insecure they are
why would anyone want to be with an asshole? the girl/guy would be the dumbest person to do so.
Well, depends on how you define a nice guy vs. asshole. It's better to be an asshole if that means being your own man and not literally worshipping her like she's a goddess or as if her pussy doesn't stink. Trust me, it does stink. Don't kid yourself.
However, I recently ran into someone from college who I really like and I think that the woman that is truly worth your time, as someone earlier suggested, won't go for the guy who "negs" them or plays a lot of mind games. Women in their early twenties are clueless as to what they want (self discovery phase). While in this age and stage, the nice guy may suffer a little since she is buying into the belief that a good guy doesn't call her all the time.
The ones that are truly worth your time will want more of a balance between nice guy and asshole. Nice to her but not to the point where you have no opinion and no backbone. A gentleman but not a complete doormat to the point where she sees you as a platonic friend. Yuck. She wants more of a balance. A true man who is good to her but not a pushover. Forget the Hollywood films. They're just a representation of PC and feminist bullshit that has become prevalent in the last 50 or so years. Women have an innate desire to be with a balanced guy. Her innate desire is in direct conflict with the floppy haired nice guy with two bouquets shown in the romance films. Real women in the real world do not like this guy. Instead, they keep a guy like this as her gossip buddy, like a gf.
College girls are stupid though. As she gets a little older, she won't be into as much gameplaying. The truly good ones won't want someone who treats her like garbage.
^^ Yea but who wants an old bitch who probably has a kid or two with an asshole? Women don't stop liking jocks/assholes/PUAs/bad boys, women just run out of option and "settle" for the nice guy.
So true. The girl I really like now from our college days has one child by a jerk. But she wasn't seeking out the jerks in college. It just happened that way. Now that we're both older, she realizes that she wished she never had a child with him. She is smoking hot though - long hair, legs for days and slim build.
It's not that girls like assholes - its how those guys carry themselves compared to the nice guys. If someone ever said to me or my friends "fuck off you ugly slut," I will punch his face! I will keep trying till I cause him some kind of physical pain..no self-respecting girl will put up with that shit! Only desperate girls who need someone else to validate how great she is or whatever will go for an asshole cause he thinks highly of himself.
So it all depends on the type of girl she is. But for the most part, we do like nice guys cause they know how to be respectful. But honestly, what's your definition of nice? I know I wouldn't want a guy who is so nice to the point where I'm the dominate one in the relationship. Some girls might, but not me. I like a guy to take charge, be ambitious & just be confident. But that doesn't meant they have to be assholes. Most of the time, I think assholes aren't really that confident in themselves, which is why they try to act like they are so much more superior than others. A true confident person doesnt need to show off.
There needs to be a balance. Both partners need to keep their individuality & not rely on the other to make them feel needed or special. But that's pretty hard to find these days. The girls want the nice guy who loves them & gives them the shoulder to cry on sometimes & etc, but they also want the asshole cause he appears more exciting & etc. So, be a bit of both I guess haha
Just be yourself. Acting like someone you're not is exhausting & you'll hopefully find someone who appreciates you for you eventually.
i don't think being exceptionally rude and abusive is what we mean by "being an asshole". think more along the lines of a guy who is totally full of himself and isn't afraid to pull your leg in a humorous way.
anyone going up to a chick and telling them to fuck off has serious issues..
Thanks for sharing your opinion. A girl's perspective is rare on WSO. The thing with nice guys is that they are thrown into the friend zone really fast. By asshole I mean, the guy who challenges a girl, plays hard to get and teases her. Actually to be honest, I have tried both strategies. When I became too nice to this one girl she took me for granted. This another girl, I am a complete dick to and she comes back for more. I think when you are starting off a new relationship you want to be a challenge to each other, so it becomes an exciting and eventful thing in your life. If you confess your feelings head on the girl will instantly lose any attraction for you. I guess the overall assumption is play hard to get and give her a challenge. Mix it up, hot girls don't get teased very often and are put on a pedestal to worship.
-This is my personal experience with the topic
The hottest girls I've been with I've been a complete asshole to. These girls were all a few years younger than me, and pretty immature. I played a major sport in college, and I had a bad reputation on campus. But girls loved that! I'd be at a bar and I found it hilarious that they still wanted it when they knew I was an asshole. And I was never asked to use a condom, the explanation is in the erotic capital article. Not to say that I didn't, but if I didn't want to it was NEVER brought up once. I think the answer is immature girls like assholes.
The best girls I've been with have liked my nice side. The women I've dated long term have been extremely smart, mature, and well-rounded. These are the girls you want to take home to meet your family, ignore the sluts with issues.
Yes, but don't ignore them with your penis.
In most cases, the women you want to date want a guy who acts like a MAN, not a puppy lovesick child, and not a damn psycho. Realize also that women in today's world make their own money and have their own life and aren't going to put up with bullshit unless something is wrong with them. You can stop reading now, that's the punchline.
You're still here? ok, the rest of this is just a data dump because coffee just kicked in and I'm stuck on a boring ass conference call. It's impossible to generalize. Modern pop culture has created an artificial dichotomy of asshole/alpha vs nice/beta, but the reality is that there's a whole spectrum of different personalities, and people react differently in different circumstances. This topic seems to come up with each fresh faced crowd of new recruits to the city, so here's a summary of past conversations that you can draw on and I'll speak from a decade of bartending experience (my old life):
YES, assholes get more tail because they're assertive, fucking duh, who didn't know that. Assholes who don't develop also tend to end up alone, that's where most of the old shitheads at the end of the bar come from, they've just fucked up every relationship in their life because, well, they're assholes and no one gives a shit about them. Women can also be just as stupid: I've seen 45 year old women rolling in on a motercycle and still chasing. You'd be surprised at how many women want to...NEED TO...control the relationship. Some chicks do not want a permanent relationship. The lesbian crowd has the most variation and I encourage it :D Some women...they type that I used to be attracted to...have zero interest in the punks beyond that first five minutes of banter, and want nothing more than to settle down and have a family with a loving guy who will take care of them. I know more than a few total bombshells that simply love musicians...geeky, smelly musicians with no future...and these chicks could get anything they want, don't kid yourself. Some women are obsessed with money, others want an artist, some what muscles, brains, or both. When I'm tired/grumpy I resort to the "you are not a unique and special fucking snowflake" mentality, but the reality is that it's completely dependant on each individual's personality. There are a few basic guidelines to dating (I aint the guy to walk you through it) but after that, everyone is different. You want the average girls mentality, here it is: girls I used to bartend with pretty much have their pick, and they usually just want a dude with a job that has a life and is nice to them, and that's it. Young women make bad decisions. Young PEOPLE make bad decisions. Drunk young people are out of their damn minds: and fun to watch and they spend a lot of money on booze so hey, I'm not complaining. You really want to know who gets the most ass? The freaks. The artists and writers. The creative types. They're not big on direct competition, but given a wide playing field they will outmaneuver the asshole every day of the week and twice on Sunday morning.
You want advice? ok: If you're an asshole who realizes that he's basically destined for the life of a pathetic degenerate, then seek help, life is too short. If you're pushover who always gets robbed by the jerks or blown off by chicks, then go to the gym and get your testosterone up and start kicking some ass, don't think it over just do it.
My personal take: just do what makes you genuinely happy, however you define that.
And tip your bartender. If you're nice, they can set you up with a date....if they've been around for a while they.know.everyone.so.be.cool.
+1
Was going to come in here and say, "I dunno, ask Flake"...then realized he had already torched this thread with some bits of wisdom.
UFO is Oprah.
And thanks duffman.
double
This thread is full of gems.
@jec, being shy and ugly must be a horrible combination haha.
In all seriousness, there is a lot of truth in this thread. When I was a freshman in college, I got "friendzoned" all the time because I thought just meeting new girls and being their friends would lead to getting my D wet. Didn't work out so well, but I learned a valuable lesson. By senior year I was cleaning up.
Gets a little more tricky in the real world, especially dealing with bimbos and/or chicks with no ambition but it's still a fun game.
AND I REPEAT from one of go.with.the.flow's other posts...
things i've learned about women since i moved out of my parents house last year: 1. Its a percentage game 2. dont allow a girlfriend to slowly move her belongings into your house 3. smile with your eyes and they can't keep up their defences for long 4. tactfully be touchy feely 5. respond to text messages in a flurry and then disappear for a few days 6. go to the gym 7. find out what she is into and do research about it (but maybe that is just the consultant in me manifesting itself lol)
...thread done... (drops the mic like chris rock and leaves)
If you want to pick up girls you have to seem mildly interested to start with then you have to just ignore them and talk to other girls, jealously is an amazing emotion to play off of. It's simply the best way to get a girl to be interested in you.
UFO I agree with your post. I dont like to generalize people, but oh it makes life so fucking easy
18-21: Girls want to make their gf's jealous so they go for jocks, bball players etc. 21-25: Girls move to corporate environment and try to seek a career oriented guy 25-30: Girls looking for a high-earner and still want to make their gf's jealous 30-35: These girls have missed the boat, they are either too career oriented or couldn't settle down 35-40: no comments
UFO is right about girl types. Some guys just like Asians, some like nerds, some like rich guys etc.....
BUT all girls like attention, what works for me is give some attention, tease them and then become cold. The guy who continually teases and gives attention becomes a joker. Don't be that guy.
p.s. haha tip your bartender p.s.s UFO is a space alien
^ and Sleave of Wizard
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