Do you guys ever feel hopeless ?

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Just wondering. Sometimes I feel like I'll achieve 0 of my dreams and the entire world is against you. Any of you guys ever feel this way ? Like the world is conspiring against you to keep you down ?

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Oct 7, 2017
papertiger:

Just wondering. Sometimes I feel like I'll achieve 0 of my dreams and the entire world is against you. Any of you guys ever feel this way ? Like the world is conspiring against you to keep you down ?

Thats because you have it backwards. The world isn't here for you to fulfill your dreams. The world is extending a hand out to you asking for help. Worth is the service we provide to others.

"If you always put limits on everything you do, physical or anything else, it will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them." - Bruce Lee

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Oct 7, 2017

That was fucking incredible. So much that cost years for me to learn just wrapped into a few statements.

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Oct 14, 2017

Prob the gayest thing I've read. No one is entitled to anything, I don't have to provide a service to others.

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Oct 7, 2017

No, living the baller life and loving it

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Oct 7, 2017

No, I never feel like the world is against me, but I do feel hopeless about finding true happiness and meaning in my life. I'm confident I can achieve my goals and find success, but I'm still undecided on whether or not that sense of success will be worth it.

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Oct 14, 2017

I can relate with this. Its easy to overthink what you will be feeling in the future and make yourself feel like shit like (Markets are so overwhelming to work in or I'm just going to be a depressed Investment Banker) and that can impact your current state negatively when there is no need.

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RIP MONACOMONKEY
RIP THEACCOUNTING MAJOR

Oct 7, 2017

Only when I'm at work

Oct 12, 2017

Awesome. Same here.

Oct 9, 2017

I'm hopeless because I can't stop crushing it everyday. #baller

You killed the Greece spread goes up, spread goes down, from Wall Street they all play like a freak, Goldman Sachs 'o beat.

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Oct 9, 2017

Everyone feels down from time to time. When you do, try not to get lost in your thoughts. Go for a walk outside or a workout, or just generally do something active.

If you're really feeling hopeless, this board isn't going to help you enough. Go talk to a professional who can help sort through your thoughts, goals, and realistic paths to getting there.

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Oct 14, 2017

This is so true. No point overthinking your thoughts, that shit isn't fun trust me. You trick yourself into thinking you will never be happy and live a normal life. Also a professional helped a lot to get over anxiety and depression and I pretty much consider myself back to normal after a crap 9 months.

RIP LEHMAN
RIP MONACOMONKEY
RIP THEACCOUNTING MAJOR

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Oct 9, 2017

Hopeless, no, sometimes I do feel stuck - mini-midlife crisis. It is best to let your dreams grow with you, rather than having them fall down to you.

Oct 9, 2017

The conundrum I'm in is not being hopeless, but prescribing meaning to life, and questioning what normalcy truly is. Below is something I came across online, and it sums up my thoughts about life's (lack of)(a determinable) meaning:

-- [I did not write this, it is copied+pasted. nonetheless, thought provoking]

*Everyone with all the different paths they take in life, like this or that job or this or that life partner, yet we all live the same lives, just with small insignificant differences. We can't fully do what we fully enjoy because otherwise we are forced into believing we ruined our lives and we should feel guilty about it. And even if we could it wouldn't matter.

It's like the land of make believe. We pick a role in life and in the end we all die. The changes we make be they big or small they will be forgotten some day.

If I for one decide I want to one day put on a pair of VR Glasses on and never take them off again, wouldn't my life be just as meaningless as the life of someone who made millions, cured cancer and stopped world hunger?

If I wish to spend the rest of my life raping stealing and murdering would I have accomplished less than someone who lived their lives abiding morals and laws and helping others? Look at it deeply, and tell me if you see a difference in the big picture.

...yet we enjoy doing it all and believing it makes some sense or that it even matters. We punish and look down upon people who live their lives differently yet neither your lives or their lives matter.

It's the "land of make believe", and we're loving it.*

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Oct 12, 2017

This is the most pathetic ethos I have read on the internet. Nothing matters - oh, how edgy. Just because the heat death of the universe is inevitable doesn't mean that the universe may not as well have existed. Christ, do you apply that to everything in your life? Things matter greatly at the very least in the moment, and the moment is all we have. Take off the VR headset and be worth something now.

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Jan 8, 2018

Weren't you the guy who lost 500k on an options trade?

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Oct 12, 2017

Sounds like OP needs to have a chat with mary jane

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Oct 12, 2017

I used to be in your spot. One thing I have learned over the years?

Get a few beers, relax, and hatch a plan. Execution is key. There are tons of resources out there, just need to utilize their services.

I think you got this. Don't try and let the situation bring your hopes down.

Oct 12, 2017

You missed the genetic lottery bro. Should've been more lucky.

Oct 12, 2017

Hey man, we're all star dust

heister:

Look at all these wannabe richies hating on an expensive salad.

Jan 8, 2018

Yeaup, but not from academic or career setback. But when your parent is diagnosed with late stage lung cancer and the promising therapy didn't work... that was when I really felt hopelss and helpless.

Jan 8, 2018

Is it selfish if all I want is a hot girl to bang and a lot of money (these two produce lots of dopamine)? Makes life a lot more enjoyable tho....

Jan 8, 2018

Congratulations! It is an inspiring story from which many can benefit. I do have some questions and thought of writing to you, but your PM option is disabled.

Jan 8, 2018

Hey, not sure why my PM is disabled. Maybe try again? I don't see anything in my account setting that is out of the ordinary. Sorry.

Jan 8, 2018

Thanks for the post! Congrats and great story!

Jan 8, 2018

Always really nice to hear stories like this - congratulations and thanks for posting.

Jan 8, 2018

This is a great confidence booster for all those who are still looking for FT position.

Jan 8, 2018

Congrats! I'm glad 30 isn't too late.

Jan 8, 2018

Glad you got in. Lets face it. As you say it is a bit of luck. This proves that if you keep putting your name out there and you are a qualified candidate than you can get on board. Other than straight out of school all the jobs at S&T and IB go to internal candidates and people in the network of the MD.

Jan 8, 2018

That's good to hear man. Finally a feel-good story among all the depressing news. I think you should pay it forward by helping the next guy who's struggling land a job.

Jan 8, 2018

Very inspiring - my take on the story is that you made it happen and did not give up until it did.

Jan 8, 2018

Congratulations.

Jan 8, 2018

Congrats!!

Jan 8, 2018

congrats!

Jan 8, 2018

what is your goal now as an Associate?

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Jan 8, 2018

Awesome story! very inspiring! congratulations!!

Jan 8, 2018

congrats dude you deserve it

Jan 8, 2018

Thanks for the comments guys. As far as the PM's I'm receiving, I'm currently traveling and am responding as quickly as I can. I definitely want to share as much as I can to help all the WSOers.

Someone asked me what my goals will be as an associate. The answer is simple: I have a feeling deep down that I can do this business long-term. Now I'm going to find out if I can grind out everything that needs ground out and pay all the dues that need paid in order to get to the end.

Jan 8, 2018

man, Congrats!!!! and good luck to everyone of us!

Jan 8, 2018

Amazing and encouraging story!! I guess if you really want to do anything you just have to be stubborn about it but have back ups and be ready for surprises!

I would like to get some advice from u!!

Jan 8, 2018

This is an older post, but I'm glad TallMonkey bumped it because I didn't see it till now. Sent you a PM OP.

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Jan 8, 2018

Well, "high finance" is unlikely for you, i.e. PE, VC, IBD, etc. since "high finance" has very regimented tracks. Your best bets are 1) get an MBA from a top 25 program, preferably top 10, and "switch" careers into it or 2) get into finance at the "retail" level--real estate, loans, wealth management, etc.

Jan 8, 2018

MBA is the option you should pursue.

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Jan 8, 2018

operations/consumer banking/insurance sales

Jan 8, 2018

How top 5?
Like Amherst? Or like, Colby..
But yes, look into MBA programs
Once you finish that up, you can hit up associates programs

I'm not concerned with the very poor
-Mitt Romney

Jan 8, 2018

I know this is not exactly specific to the original post but it seems that so many people that want to transition into finance are told to get an MBA so they can rebrand themselves. This makes sense, and I agree that it is probably the most direct way to do so, but wouldn't you all agree that it is also impractical in so many ways. I mean, for example, you could have someone out of school for 3-4 years who worked in a reputable company in a non-finance related position, got between a 650-700 on their gmat and has decent references. This person would probably get into a top 50 MBA program and come out with over a 100K in debt. Considering the return on investment they would receive, given the bump in salary for the MBA, it seems like so much of a gamble.

I am not saying this is a bad thing; if you want something bad enough and you know that finance/business is where you want to see yourself settling, I think the risk is worth it. I just wonder where someone in the original poster's place might benefit more from a combination of networking and some kind of certificate or continuing education program like they have at Northwester,Cornell,and other top schools. I know it is not regarded in any way close to an MBA, but it may be appropriate for someone in the op's position who needs to show interest but cant dedicate themselves to the whole MBA process.

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Jan 8, 2018

What was the nature of your computer business?

Jan 8, 2018

Good advice so far... keep it coming. I am still considering all my options.

The nature of my computer business was affiliate marketing as well as SEO services.

The college I attended was Middlebury College.

Jan 8, 2018

7notas, have you considered coming back to Japan? The pay at Japanese banks and financial institutions would make the typical American IBD candidate run away laughing, but I'd bet that a Japanese company would take a flyer on you. Middlebury is well-known for the quality of its foreign language instruction, so you might want to play up your language skills. That's what got me my job: I wasn't an econ or finance major; I had a physics/math background and could also speak a few languages.

In fact, send me a PM. I work at a financial firm in Japan -- in Operations, I mist admit -- and may be able to help you out.

Jan 8, 2018

I sent you a PM but I will say here that I have thought about going back to Japan.

To be honest, I am fine either way at this point. Either getting a job in the States or in Japan (or anywhere really). I am just tired of not doing anything work-wise for so long.

Jan 8, 2018

Definitely not hopeless. What fields are you interested in? A lot depends on what you want to do.

Jan 8, 2018

I'm open to all options at this point. Which fields do you think would be a better fit given my situation?

Jan 8, 2018

Take this with a grain of salt as I am just a college student, but I would say PWM, Commercial/Corporate Banking, or Corp Fin. I would also not rule out enrolling in the CFA curriculum and trying to transition into ER or AM. You say you go to a top LAC. What sort of OCR is there?

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Jan 8, 2018

Just go out and network. It's very understandable having a lower GPA while being a team captain in a D1 sport.

Jan 8, 2018

It's a target school for most BB I would presume. Goldman, MS, BoA all recruit there. I guess my real question is, is there any hope for Ibanking? I kind of like the idea of working 100 hr weeks because I'm kind of used to it, at least to a degree.

Jan 8, 2018

For IB I'd say an 8. Your GPA is shit (by their standards) but you do have a name and athletics to back you up.
I think your best bet would be to get some really good exp somewhere, go back to b-school then try to break in. If you do well in a good school your chances will improve quite a bit.

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Jan 8, 2018

Yeah that's what I was thinking the route would have to be. Thank you

Jan 8, 2018

given that you are on here asking what your chances are going into your senior year, I would say they aren't that great, unless you are targeting regional boutiques and/or you are able to develop some connections asap.

Step 1: Polish your LinkedIn and resume
Step 2: Cold-email and cold call 50+ alums this week and then 200+ other ibankers that played your sport
Step 3: Make sure your interview skills and story are polished. Why IB? "i kinda like 100hr weeks" won't cut it ;-)
Step 4: Try to make sure you get your resume into all of the drops on campus but also try to make sure your resume is picked out with the networking you do above.
Step 5: Do as many mock interviews as humanly possible before your first interview. You don't want to look back and think "what if"

Good luck! With schoolwork, sports and all the legwork you need to put in, you are looking at 100+hr weeks!

-Patrick

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Jan 8, 2018

Definitely not worthless. As WSO said, your reasoning for wanting to go into IB shouldn't be 100 hour work weeks, as you'll probably realize they're a little tougher in the "real world" than in college. If you go to a relatively strong brand name school, you should have at least some alumni you can reach out to. If not, I'd look for local boutiques, do the 2 year then MBA, then you'll probably have a decent chance at a BB

Jan 8, 2018

Don't kid yourself, you've never worked 100 hour weeks. And no one likes 100 hour weeks.

Jan 8, 2018

If you go to a target school (honestly I don't know what this is defined as anymore) and have a 3.1 GPA, you should be able to get an IB gig somewhere. There are still hundreds of other boutiques that are hiring and I bet you can find one that'll give you a shot.

If you're deadset on IB, at least try to do IB. It makes zero sense to give up on a goal because of forum posts or perceptions.

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Jan 8, 2018

Yeah definitely not a hopeless situation, especially if you don't have the BB or bust mentality. I would imagine networking to alum from either you school or team would be very easy as you are a team captain. Get out there and network

Jan 8, 2018

Friend of mine from a target had a GPA about at your level if not worse, and missed OCR deadline to boot. Still got an S&T full-time job at a borderline BB by networking hard with alumni from his team. He was a starter but not a captain in his sport.

Find some way to emphasize the upward trend in your GPA on your resume, and network like hell with alumni from your team.

You are definitely not screwed. If you work hard with interview prep and networking, you WILL land something solid.

Jan 8, 2018

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Jan 8, 2018

UBS and Credit Suisse offer apprenticeships in Switzerland. Have you checked those out?

Jan 8, 2018

Head over to Deutschland, I'm assuming you speak German.

If the glove don't fit, you must acquit!

Jan 8, 2018

Jimz: yes I did and I'm overqualified as I have worked in the US in accounting for a bout 2 years.
Walmart: I'm from the French side and never gave German a thought before today...

Any ideas?

Jan 8, 2018
Helvetien:

Jimz: yes I did and I'm overqualified as I have worked in the US in accounting for a bout 2 years.
Walmart: I'm from the French side and never gave German a thought before today...

Any ideas?

I think your best bet would be to do a masters in finance either in the US or in England.
Did you take any math classes in undergrad besides Calc 1 and business stats?

Jan 8, 2018

first off, don't sign your posts- you look like a tool, esp with that name

secondly, you shouldn't wait that long to go to business school. considering you graduated in 2010, you're at least 25 now, which means only after 2 years at your VC funded job, you'll be 27- average age of top MBA programs is 28, so you don't want to wait much longer than that

third, if you're looking to go to business school as a rebranding tool, it doesn't matter so much what kind of skills you develop at your current job, so long as you build connections and finding meaningful work that you can present to potential recruiters. however, if you decide you don't want to take the MBA route, consider networking as hard as you can with the VC firm which funds your tech start up. since you're a woman, look into all manner of diversity programs that are offered

I'm not concerned with the very poor
-Mitt Romney

Jan 8, 2018

Thanks, Mitt.

For what it's worth, I am kind of a tool....

Will get started on the GMAT prep then. I had to deal with a couple douchey MBA summer interns at my last company and they were 29/30, which is probably why I was so resentful of them...

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Jan 8, 2018

You have plenty of options. Coming from a "semi-target" myself, I know plenty of kids who got BB internships junior year without previous experiences in high-finance.

You can...

A) take summer classes and raise that GPA to be ready for recruiting in the fall.
B) work a real job. there's nothing wrong with working construction or waiting tables for a summer, in fact, it may help you differentiate yourself from the pack.
C) find a start-up. in my experience, it's pretty easy to land a position because of their high demand for unpaid labor.

D) ask to shadow someone for a day or something.

You have plenty of time.

Best regards, and good luck

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Jan 8, 2018

Thank you for the response! +1 SB

Jan 8, 2018

I'm a sophomore as well (at a target school), and I don't think you should lose hope. It's great that you're really building up your network and I would recommend you to keep doing that. You also interviewed at two MM S&T roles as a sophomore, which is great! The fact that you got those interviews shows that you still do stand out and firms are interested in what you might have to offer. In terms of what to do this summer, I would prioritize finding a job in finance as the most important thing you can do. If you couldn't do that, I would take summer classes to get your GPA a little higher, but I think that even if you can't land an S&T role your sophomore year (which most people don't), doing something at a bank or acting as a business development intern / financial analyst for a company will give you something more to talk about during interviews and show that you're interested in the finance industry. Don't give up! It always seems like the world is against you and nothing is working out but I wouldn't panic too much right now.

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Jan 8, 2018

I'd focus on start-ups or start your own venture if you're okay with not earning any money over the summer. Since you're only a sophomore, you might want to consider accounting/financial analyst/PWM roles as well. There are literally hundreds of kids who apply for each opening at higher prestige finance jobs, so getting a spot as a soph is really tough.

Also, try to focus on why you may not have gotten an offer from the interviews you had. Although in reality, three interviews just isn't enough to give yourself a good shot, esp as a soph with a low-ish GPA from a semi-target.

Make sure your story is airtight and you have to really feel comfortable selling yourself. A lot of people interview defensively -- they view a successful interview as one where they didn't get any questions wrong, avoided fumbling through answers, and didn't say anything stupid. But you're there to provide evidence that you're the best individual for the job. This is especially important if you don't have the cookie-cutter background -- high GPA, high test scores, target school, relevant and ideally name-brand internships. You need to spell everything out for them if you know for a fact you can do all the work but don't fit the standard pedigree, otherwise they'll just think your background is strange and irrelevant.

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