Do you have sympathy for Toledo?

It’s a shooting. All other factors aside, I am a human being and I think I have empathy. Yes, I’m sympathetic.

my opinion is that the USA has a problem with crime. and that you should ban guns. 

No. It is sad a kid who lost his way in life died, though. I am happy to post under my username.

A kid is running down an alley in the dark after shooting at cars. He stops and in one motion turns to face the cops and throws the gun away. It's impossible to monday morning QB the cop. 

If you are going to get down with gang bangers you have to realize you may never get up.

Feel free to give me counterpoints, I am no thin blue liner, but short of having robocop on the streets this will always happen with enough cop + criminal interactions

I agree. At the end of the day Chicago is plagued by gang violence & not police violence. This will turn into another flashpoint that Toledo was just an innocent kid murdered by the cops. 

It will not focus on the fact that gangs of all ethnic groups are the primary drivers for the insecurity and violence in Chicago. This is certainly not a situation like these other more famous cases where victims of police violence were largely not committing crimes (or just petty crimes)

Zero. Scumbag little shit Latin King (plenty of social media proving this, calling him by his gang names) who was out shooting at cars and running from cops. 100% was going to be a drain on society for a long time, unless this happened anyways in a gang shootout some day. Literally nothing of value was lost, and people who make excuses for these kinds of scumbags and their enablers are why this situation will never change or get better.

I feel bad for the kid, but I also think he's no loss to society. A 13-year-old who is that maladjusted has virtually no hope of being a contributing member of society. His parents would be put before the firing squad, if there was any justice.

You lay with the dogs you get fleas.

You already know what the people on WSO think. You're just looking for other people to agree with you lmao. 

This is obviously a tragedy, but most people would've also shot the kid if in the officer's shoes.  The kid was probably in a gang, had a gun, and sharply turned toward the officer.

People need to start electing politicians who are willing to clean up the streets and punish those who would recruit children into criminal organizations.  There is a reason why L.A. looks like a dystopian Latin American shithole, why Chicago is nicknamed Chiraq, and why New York is experiencing a historic increase in frequency of crimes committed.  Current politicians prioritize the well-being of parasites over the well-being of hard-working people.  Gang culture is cancerous and it should be extinguished.  It robs children of their potentials, instead, providing a path to become future news headlines.  Fuck the people that have allowed for gang culture to persist for as long as it has.

So the cops are OK to kill people if they are deemed to be of no value to society, got it. Sounds like something the CCP would do!

I think it's unfortunate a 13-year old was shot but I also think playing stupid games results in winning stupid prizes. He had a gun...  The real focus here should be on helping other kids in his position, not sure how race related this really is...

It seems like every week there’s another headline about a cop shooting an American citizen, yet the convo always ends up being about if the victim deserved to die. This country is sick af. Why aren’t we talking about the broken system of law enforcement that hires literally the worst kinds of people, under-trains them, gives them a gun and sends them out to the streets to “protect and serve” communities that do not trust them? Cops aren’t held accountable, their incentives are all fucked up and only winner is media companies that turn a profit by sensationalizing these cases. How do people still find pride being an American? 

Agree gang culture is cancerous to society and should be extinguished. I also think that is true about white supremacy groups and paramilitary hardos too. KKK should be labeled as a terrorist organization for doing nothing short of straight terrorism. Paramilitary groups and anarchists like Antifa, Proud Boys, or whoever else should be eliminated too. Gangs, mobs, mafias, anarchists, and recent gun groups all use the same form of intimidation to exert their will on society. As far as I'm concerned, they're all in the same boat and represent similar threats to society. It's a wide problem in this country.

Shocked but not surprised at the lack of empathy on WSO that a 13-year old is dead. This is the same website that had a thread yesterday "how many of you grew up with $25mm+ wealth?" and there were like 50 responses lol. My signature is a good summary reminder that you all can get off your high horse.

And although I think policing in this country is unredeemable broken, I can distinguish between the actions of this police officer and Derek Chauvin, for example. The fact that he was 13 is irrelevant if he was known to be armed. Armed foot chases at night can end violently. The kid's life was a tragedy before it ended, and we (society) failed him.

Do any of you feel empathy for the millions of chickens that die every day to feed the human population?

Has anyone seen how they make chicken nuggets?

Life isnt fair

Obviously I feel sympathy because I'm a human being and he was a 13 year old who is no longer alive. He was doing bad shit but he will never get the opportunity to change now. I can't imagine the pain his family is going through. I'm not going to get into the actual events too much because I think there was right and wrong on both sides: yes he had a gun, yes he ran, but he also complied at the end and raised his hands before being shot. I'm not an expert on this, nor do I work in law enforcement or the American legal system. This one is actually in a much more gray area, unlike Chauvin or the dumbass who made the "taser" mistake. It just sucks. I don't think he deserved to die and wish that they just didn't shoot him. But sadly this stuff happens.

I think this is all pretty well covered above, but yes I feel bad about a 13-year old kid dying and yes I feel bad for a cop who likely thought he was going to get shot and ended up having to kill a kid. Contrary to common belief, cops don't just go out hunting black people. If you watched the video, you could see that the cop immediately freaked out and probably feels absolutely terrible. There are a lot of problems with the police force that deserve protests and need to change, but this isn't one of them. If anything, this is a case for better childhood education, better welfare benefits, afterschool programs, etc. It also wouldn't hurt to reopen schools so kids have something to do that isn't gang life. 

I mean bummer, but I really have a hard time caring about these at all.

Don’t know the kid, never been to Chicago.... feel pretty much the same way I would about someone getting shot by the police in Nigeria.

Would prefer no riots on my street, but he’s not black so that doesn’t seem to be a risk anyway.

At this point Americans who live in cities should just accept that rampant crime is a fixture of life. Our leaders clearly don't seem to care. Let's embrace the fact that the USA is well on its way to become an English-speaking Brazil.

know people from his circle. he was an active Latin King, don’t paint him as an innocent little kid. He was on hot shit and got dropped.

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Of course it is sad that a 13 year old was killed. As others have said, the cop did nothing wrong - despite the media desire to make a martyr out of him with a still frame video, there was no way for the officer to know the gun was dropped and not pointed at him in the under 1 second it took for the shot to be fired. He tried to give first aid immediately - this is not a lunatic standing on somebody's neck for 15 minutes. 

I am always shocked we don't see more analysis of what actually causes all this gang activity - it is the drug war. We need to make drugs legal, to drain the gangs of the many billion dollar industry that sustains them. There will always be demand for drugs, making them illegal simply gives an easy industry to criminals. If all drugs were available over the counter at pharmacies, the gangs would quickly lose their appeal as there would be no heroin riches to draw in impressionable impoverished youth- just broke losers fighting over scraps of dirt. I am aware of the issues with addiction - I have had multiple close friends die from heroin/fentanyl overdoses. However, forcing people to buy drugs on the street only worsens the problem, as it encourages overdoses because dealers do not offer consistent doses as would be offered if drugs were available from legitimate companies, and encourages crime because it drives up prices. Nobody is overdosing on cigarettes, and nobody is robbing people for cigarette money, despite rampant smoking among the poorest people. Of course a minimum age of 21 should be imposed to keep kids off it, and it should be sold from pharmacies or similarly controlled environments, not out of a machine at the gas station - but these are problems that can be addressed.

#DefundThePolice is not about racial justice or police brutality. It is a smokescreen for the federalization of law enforcement under grossly invasive "civil rights" and "anti-domestic terror" legislation (essentially Patriot Act 2.0).

Local police are racist so better replace them with your friendly FBI and ATF agent, who totally do not have a history of perpetuating gruesome massacres on American citizens. If Chauvin walked, the DOJ was ready to arrest him on civil rights violations (whatever the fuck those are).

Liberals are tyrants. Was getting rid of Trump really worth the coup on our democracy by tech companies and the intelligence community? Are neoliberals that fucking retarded?