Do you truly believe in meritocracy
Hey! I was curious about your thoughts, especially since there is a red majority in this forum. Have a good day!
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For instance, would you agree that advancement in our society(assuming you live in NA) is based on our performance? Considering that some people are born with a silver spoon and more opportunities than others, while also taking into account how race plays a role in the number/quality of opportunities you encounter, systemic racism etc...
I am a freedom maximalist. Meritocracy is a good thing but I don't care about it as much as I do freedom.
Also it's hard to define exactly what a perfect meritocracy would look like. Yes, yes, "selection based purely on ability". But how should one judge another's ability? What factors are important? I'm sure a debate could be held for a lifetime without any real resolution.
So, meritocracy is a good idea in theory, but I have no idea what it would actually look like. Freedom, on the other hand, is much simpler to define and, in my opinion, should be maximized above all else.
Freedom, on the other hand, is much simpler to define and, in my opinion, should be maximized above all else.
How does my freedom interact with your freedom? Do you get the freedom to drive down my street at 100 MPH or do I get the freedom to cross the road safely? Do you get the freedom to play music at max volume at any time of the day or night or do I get the freedom to enjoy my property in peace and quiet?
"Maximising freedom" is a meaningless dead-end.
Im assuming he is talking about freedom that does not steps into other people’s freedom, but it can be ambiguous. If i may add, an example that went through my mind is vaccination in Quebec, it was said that those who made the choice to be unvaccinated will have to pay a fee at the end of the year, so at the end of the day, how would you define freedom if your choices are « free » but mostly based on consequences that are put out with these choices.
This is a question of hierarchy. Not all freedom maximalists will agree with my opinion on this, but here is how I see it:
If you want to drive on a road, then you have to abide by the road's rules. If the people who built the road say you can only drive 15mph, then you ought to only have the freedom to drive 15mph. The same goes for blasting music in a building.
One important caveat is that if you are compelled to drive on a specific road/live somewhere specific then you should not be compelled to follow the rules because you're being forced into following specific rules (which is not freedom).
Legitimate meritocracy yes but there will never be 100% full but its still really good compared to other options in my opinion. Like for example getting hired due to relationships or certain deals and people being legacy but it’s way better than forcing everyone to be mediocre and lots of these relationships can also be a work of skill in itself.
Mostly a meritocracy. Will always be the kids whose dad is a partner at BX/TPG etc who thinks he legitimately earned his analyst spot through hard work, but it is what it is
I am for meritocracy when done right.
As in do I believe in it philosophically? Or do I believe we exist in a meritocracy (at least in the US)?
Do you think us is a meritocracy, why and why not :)
No. Similar, but not exact. Just like how the U.S. isn't a true democracy but is a democratic republic. The concept of meritocratic advancement is certainly there, but is very much influenced by things such as inherited wealth or resources, inherited genetics, environment (social, legal, ethical, hell even phsyical featuers such as climate and geography) and more. A large part of it also comes down to timing whether you can influence it or not. We all have examples of being in the right place at the right time but just a dollar short so we can't capitalize on it, or the other way around of having nothing but time and resources but nothing to apply it to.
We've seen all too many times where someone is born "with a silver spoon in their mouth" as said above, but then becomes a smack addict and dies at the age of 32. On the flipside, we have stories of people coming from Apartheid South Africa to becoming the richest man in the world (Elon Musk, look him up some time).
Not a straight answer, some areas yes say like academia but in most fortune 1000 companies no. Politics, people you know and do not know comes into play to change meritocracy.
Are banks diversity schemes meritocratic?
Political economy has a strong correlation with a country's meritocracy.
I think the U.S. is still (probably) the most meritocratic country in the world.
And you are basing this on what data exactly? Or just your experience?
If you take one event in vacuum it's pretty clear to me that nothing is truly 100% meritocratic, but if you take them in aggregate luck sort of evens out and hard work and merit triumph.
It's absolutely possible to be the best candidate for a job and to get passed over, but it's very unlikely that'll you get passed by tens of them if you're really the best one.I stress hard-work here, because even if you're the best guy you need to go out there and prove for people to believe in it.
Think sports are a true meritocracy
High school sports - nepotism for sure, working for a chance at D1 college for...
College - play for glory, bragging rights and to show up in an EA game, and hopefully be good enough to parlay that into a pro league paycheck
Professional - paycheck first and foremost, then bragging rights. They already drill it into you them if you're on an MLB/NFL/NHL/NBA roster you're the 1% of the 1% which is ironically why most of those cats are really chill people off the court because they already know they're on the top of the game.
Tbh, I think sales is one of the few places where you can find TRUE meritocracy. Some people can start from the ground up - zero connections, zero domain knowledge, and just sell the shit out of whatever products they're tasked to sell.
I worked for one B2B tech company, where one of the top sales folks was this 26 year old guy, with something like 4-5 years of experience. Netted around $100k a month in commission...blew through his targets the first few months, and just continued. Had the most average Joe background you could think of.
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The measure for meritocracy is results.
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