drug test-am i screwed?
i am starting at BB IB, just got back from abroad where I smoked pot on 4 occasions (last time was last thursday). i was just notified of an impending drug test, 2 weeks from now. what will happen if i test positive? currently i am negative with a home test.
i already am aware of how stupid i am. is there any way i can survive this situation? i am a complete moron.
Run and sweat everyday, drink tons of cranberry juice, drink tons of water.
You should be good. Weed stays in your system for a week if you're an occasional smoker. Needless to say, DO NOT smoke again. You've got too much to lose now. I don't blame you for having some fun before you start work life.
I think you should be good, run a lot and drink cranberry juice. Drink a LOT of water right before your test. I would make sure that they don't test your hair. I work for a major oil company and they tested my hair.
Theres nothing wrong with smoking from time to time but you had to know youd get drug tested. Anyways you are obviously fine if your already passing home tests. I have passed drug tests 7 days and 8 days after smoking so for most occasional smokers 2 weeks is more than enough.
Or just nut up and buy a cleansing product. Pot is 4 weeks via piss test. Hair test is too expensive / mostly for court orders etc. If you're fat it will stay in your system longer. Exercise, sweat, drink water, exercise more - lose body fat. 1-2 days before don't sweat at all, eat a shit ton of carbs etc. don't want to be losing any fat at this point as that's where the THC is, eat plenty of mcdonalds and drink a ton of water before the test. but not too much - they do color, temperature and consistency testing (make sure pee is real). Too much water the day of is bad. Aim for 32 oz....
Or just buy a cleansing kit. just saying.
Dude change drugs, weed stays with you for a long time(hair test). Do coke instead, its a better time anyways.
That's the funny thing about drug tests... If you get caught with coke in your system after a 2 week notice of a drug test, you're an idiot. Weed stays longer than that if you smoke that much, but you should be prepared for a test around hiring time anyways.
Still don't understand why smoking weed can lose you a job besides for the illegal aspect of it... come on now.
yea if you have two weeks notice, nearly everyone should pass(granted you dont smoke 6 blunts a day, never exercise and weight 300 lbs).
I just think that the media and government have literally brainwashed society into thinking smoking pot is bad. I just can't seem to justify how marijuana kills nearly 0 people a year, while tobacco and alcohol directly contribute to hundreds of thousands of deaths per year. I mean hell, just yesterday Ryan Dunn was drunk driving and killed himself and a passenger. But now, my fucking insurance goes up because of that.
The government and large health insurance wants you to smoke and drink your ass off so you can give them all your money due to health problems. The US govt is vile and putrid and if there ever was a concept of evil, they are it. I mean for petes sake, Wells Fargo Wachovia laundered HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS for Mexican drug cartels over the past 5 years, but wait they were given taxpayer bailout money?! Are you fucking kidding me?! Fuck the US govt. As soon as I make enough $$$$, I'm getting out of here and never coming back.
Won't coke show up for just as long on a drug test?
nah coke is out of the urine in a few days, I think depending on usage habits it could stay in hair around 90 days, whereas marijuana will stay much longer.
What if you were in Amsterdam and smoked legally, came back to the US to start your job. Do you still get rejected for the job?
No bulge bracket bank does a hair test. Also if hair is tested they will basically find your drug history for the last year.
I view drug tests at banks as being a common sense test. You will be fine.
Drink tons of water before you test and the days leading up to the test. Drink a half a gallon 3 hours beforehand on the day of the test, aim for 1.5 gallons the days leading up to the test. Take a some vitamins to make your piss appear yellow. You should be fine
Unless you smoke again, you are fine. Home tests r pretty accurate. Hair tests only go back 3 months, past that the hair is too damaged to be used as acceptable evidence.
All drugs stay the same time in hair - drug metabolites are deposited into the hair shaft as it grows.
PS: don't drink lots of water; if u fail validity test because your urine is too diluted, you will have to either submit hair for follicle test, or just automatically fail the test. Validity test tests temperature to make sure ur urine is body temperature, and not brought with you; ph factor to catch addition of bleach; salinity/gravity and creatine levels to catch dilution, and some other stuff I don't remember. But pretty much u will have hard time beating a good one.
Ah shit, how could I forget? He brings up a good point... Drinking too much water the day of may make your piss too clear (diluted). I don't think drinking pure water up until that point will do it though.
Also, you're more likely to drop dirty with your first piss of the day so if you can, take as long as possible on that day. You're good though so it shouldn't matter, just mentioning it for peace of mind...
You guys don't know the old trick...Run lots, drink lots of water, and take B vitamins to color your urine.
That is actually not true. I took a drug test for a BB and it came back diluted. I got a call from HR telling me this and just to re-take the test within a certain time frame. She also told me it was a pretty common occurrence.
yeah, in the email they sent me when I had to do it , it specifically said that if it's too diluted then I would just have to retake it. If they tell you this beforehand, it wouldnt be a bad idea to drink a shit ton of water before and piss diluted to buy yourself some extra time.
Drugs stay in your system long enough for you to metabolize them. If you do blow, you're taking a powder and shooting it up right up your nose, into your blood stream, and practically in your brain as quickly as possible. Your heart rate goes up and your body metabolizes it immediately.
So if you do blow, make sure you grit your teeth as much as possible, annoy the fuck out of people with your need to talk faster than people can listen, sweat your balls off, and constantly remind people how "this is MY FUCKING SONG" when you're at the club. There exists a direct correlation with douchbaggery and the rate of metabolic absorption of cocaine.
stronger correlation with douchebaggery and the rate of metabolic absorption of alcohol
Fill the cup mid stream.
^^^
brology 101: use another (drug-free) bro's piss, bro. i have no idea why more bros don't do this. it's not fuckin' TSA bro.
The anwer is two-fold: not only is it hard to keep another bro's piss at a body temperature, but also if you are worried about passing a drug test, most likely you were getting high with your bros in the first place
I'm pretty sure they make you empty all your pockets and possibly pat you down to prevent this. It has to be warm as well.
The make synthetic piss too by the way.
If it is a one time use, the toxin generally takes about 5-8 days to find it's way out off the body leaving you at levels that are undetectable to the standard 50ng home drug test. Unless the drug test is for DOT or some other highly critical organization, you will most likely not see the 20ng tests which could work out in your favor. You can find detox timetables at http://www.passadrugtest.com/types.htm
you probably just ruined your entire life and you are going to be telling your kids this story 30 years from now while apologizing for not being able to pay for them to go to college
If you drink too much water before your test, your urine will be too diluted and they will count it as a FAILED test. They will ask you to come in and take it again after the results get in, which will buy you another 3-4 days. This happened to me by accident just cause it was hot out and I drank a lot of water that day before my exam.
So this could buy you a few days, but also they WILL NOT let you take it a 3rd time. So you better be sure that the 2nd time around, your urine is clean but also yellow enough not to be "too diluted."
The dilution is not based on color, it is based on creatine and specific gravity. I guess it depends on the company policy, the strict testers take a hair follicle.
Too many posts to read so I'm sure it's been covered, but you have absolutely nothing to worry about. If you don't smoke regularly, your THC levels will be too small to be relevant within 3 days to one week max. If you smoke weekly it will stay in your system for around 2 weeks. If you smoke daily it will last for around a month. There are differences for body weight, but the above is true in general.
If you smoked a little last Thursday, and your test is two weeks from today, you will have absolutely zero problem passing a standard piss test. That's a promise. Relax a little about it, do your normal thing, take the test in two weeks, and you will have no prob.
dude you're a fucking idiot. buy a cleansing kit
not necessary at all and they are all just waste a money. He can just follow the procedures above (run, drink water, eat lots of greasy food a few days out, creatine/b vitamins)
Cleansing kits don't work, and those that do, like goldenseal, are tested for.
But it really depends on the industry. Most likely banking isn't gonna have as extensive of a test as let's say national defense
i always figured they tested for weed because you're more likely to do harder shit if you smoke weed. They're never gonna catch you for the other shit, but if they catch you on the weed, might as well ding ya.
Flood yourself with water. No creatine or vit B. Buy yourself time. Why take the risk.
And grow up and drink booze like a man.
Different strokes for different folks... not to mention that weed is much safer than alcohol... but that's a completely different discussion.
Safer = more manly? What are you smoking?
Hehe, anyway, I was kidding. Don't do drugs.
Ya, making a fool at the bar and then pissing yourself is the essence of being a man.
I don't promote or condone anyone's personal behavior. As long as a person is aware of the consequences, they have free will to do whatever.
Three days ago I wrote,
"...you have absolutely nothing to worry about. If you don't smoke regularly, your THC levels will be too small to be relevant within 3 days to one week max..."
"If you smoked a little last Thursday, and your test is two weeks from today, you will have absolutely zero problem passing a standard piss test. That's a promise...".
Good to hear and good luck on your new job!
for future reference, there are plenty of different drinks that you can use to clean out your system (can get them at head-shops, vitamin stores, or GNC. they taste like shit but most are effective. Sweat your ass off as well.
Your piss is clean, lay off the hydro loading. They just want a better sample is all. You are fine.
Yeah, no way in hell your piss is gonna come up with weed unless you unknowingly ingested some.
Drug Test (Originally Posted: 02/07/2007)
Just got an offer from a BB firm to start in July. After reading the offer letter it mentioned a drug test. When are they given? I'm still in college so I've been hitting the bong pretty regularly. When should I stop?
Mmmm, where do you go to college?
Princeton
I got an offer from a non BB investment bank back a couple months ago, nowhere did it mention anything about a drugtest. Will i be tested?
Unless you're on coke or speed instead of pot, you guys are really in the wrong industry. Do something you'd be happier with.
You are a douche.
your drug test is usually administered a month before you start.
yea and never after, half of IBD would be cut if there were drug tests.. Coke increases performance
does anybody know if they test for anabolic and androgenic steroids?
thats pretty sad that you juice. I read these forums a lot and see you brag about your body and whatnot and it turns out you have nothing to to be proud of. My 80 year old grandma could have a 50 inch chest if she was taking that. Just another meathead juicer.
i keep adderall accessable
Does anyone know when they test for summer internships? After you accept the offer or right before you start?
like i said, a month before you start.
So its unheard of to be asked to take a drug test soon after accepting an offer?
some banks do routine checks out of the blue, so obviously no hitters work at them.
coke and adderall are better drugs anyway because in the context of drug tests they only last at most a week :)
Does Addy get flagged in a drug test? Still not a problem if you have a prescription I 'spose.
What's the best route for getting an Addy script? What kind of doctor and what specific problems do you tell them you are having?
Any reliable doctors in NYC?
I just got my drug test forms today. I have 15 days to have the test completed at the LATEST. Never done any sort of drugs so it isn't a problem, but beware to those of you who think you are safe to do what you want for the rest of the semester.
In case it needs to be spelled out, i am referring to mr. bush
Addy does show up as amphetamines on a drug test, and while they're technically supposed to ask you to supply a scrip if a red flag comes up, it gets passed around to all the HR folks and looks generally bad. Questions are raised, followups might occur, and people will remember you for it.
Fortunately, Adderall passes out of your system relatively quickly. It's supposed to be close to undetectable within 72 hours after last use. I mistrust that data and go off it for two weeks instead. Clean pee techniques are also helpful. I've already posted this data but will do so again for your convenience:
1: Drink plenty of water the day before. Make sure you stay away from eating massive quantities of leafy green vegetables (particularly those that are high in oxalates), poppy seeds, and so forth. Also, don't take goldenseal or other agents designed to clean your pee. Some places test for that as well, and that can flag you for later testing.
2: Drink plenty of water the day of. Keep cycling water... and when you go in, go in with the fullest bladder you can comfortably maintain.
3: Get a clean sample. Go for a couple of seconds, stop going, and then catch a mid-stream sample. The urine should be clear or almost clear and odorless. (The smelly yellow stuff dissolved in your urine is the waste material that you want as little of as possible. There's also a higher concentration of it in your initial stream.)
This lowers the concentration of EVERYTHING in your urine, and it's a good supplemental tactic.
I've taken four drug tests using these principles and have never had to show proof of my Adderall prescription.
Thanks Mis Ind, you've really analyzed it! No wonder you're probably a good analyst. I don't take Adderall often, and in such low doses, that it's probably not much of a worry. My prescription is from like 4 years ago and haven't refilled. :O
Did you get your drug forms for a summer analyst program at a bank? And does this mean your test has to be done 15 days from when you get an offer? Thanks
Nah ... got my drug test forms for my full time position. I have 15 days from today (the day i got the package) to take the test.
drug tests at BBs (Originally Posted: 02/28/2007)
i like to indulge in some mary j's once in a while.. and i'm about to start my fulltime this june. i just want to find out when the drug tests are (one month before start?), whether there are random drug tests after i start, and how long does it take to get all traces out of my body if i'm only a social smoker?
i realy appreciate if you fellow monkeys on the pipe can help a monkey out. space travel made easy. monkeys in space. that just reminded me of robot chicken
two weeks if you smoke once or twice a week, up to two months if you're a pothead
it's all based on metabolism - stays in the fat cells, so depends on how fit you are. To be safe it might not be a bad idea to test yourself beforehand... for the most part the guy above is right, couple weeks to two months
you can pass in less than a week with excessive amounts of cranberry juice, detoxifiers (found at your local vitamin store), LOTS of water and running.
bullshit...
I smoked heavy for about 6 weeks, failed a taste after being clean for 40 days.
Be forewarned. Take a do it yourself test, and maybe even use a detoxifier to be sure. Why are you even trying to get high right now, focus on your future guy.
actually...its really easy to pass the test. i know people who have smoked heavy for a week and a half before the test and passed. i would recommend cranberry pills as opposed to juice (highly concentrated), and yes, LOTS of water (have a bottle with you 24/7), and exercise. detoxifiers work really well too, just follow the directions and you're set. buy something like this: http://www.detoxforless.com/pass-a-drug-test/detox-drink.html
They show 3-6 months. Not trying to scare anyone but some companies are using them now so make sure your bank isn't one of them...
to be honest, i dont know of ANY company doing hair tests.
i would rather be safe and stay away from that stuff in any case, you never know.
Hair tests can show much longer than 3-6 months. If your hair grows slowly or you keep it long, it can show certain persistent chemicals (heavy metals, certain hallucinogens) for years. Marijuana is also quite persistent, I believe, but not on the same level. If I used it, I would give it at least a year before being comfortable with a hair test... and then only if I kept it short enough so that all my hair had grown during the clean period. A year's hair growth is around six inches for most people.
every one just does piss tests. dont be stupid and give yourself at least 3 months.
dan bush here. can they detect steroids in those drug tests?
you dont juice, please stop acting like you do.
Why is it that you ask foolish questions that you already know the answer to? I mean, you are clearly a smart guy, and the fact that you live and breath every moment of your life on these talk boards, it makes no sense to me why you must continue to waste everyone's time.
The only employer I know of that regularly gives hair tests is the CIA. The FBI uses them in special circumstances. Never heard of a bank giving them.
It is very possible that no BB's give them. But, I lost an energy trading internship (sunoco) a few years back because of hair testing. Just telling people to be careful thats all, as obviously you don't want to get caught with your pants down. Not everyone on this message board will be going to an I bank anyway.
Drug Test Methods at BBs (Originally Posted: 03/31/2007)
I smoke a lot of pot, but now i have obviously stopped for my drug test. i am expecting a urine test, which i will pass with flying colors, but is there a possibility of a hair test (which i will fail)
Please take these post seriously. I need specifics and only serious advice. This is my life here!
Hair tests are not the norm.
You take these posts seriously but not your life seriously? If you had any sense of seriousness you would not be smoking pot when you know every i-bank drug tests dumbass
A hair test can go back like six months. It's possible that this kid got high a couple times HALF A YEAR ago and didn't realize it would affect things an entire semester later.
can't say for certain but its probably just a piss test and you will be okay for that. you can buy shampoo if its a hair test.
also smoking weed doesn't mean you dont take your life seriously; such a stupid comment.
Uhm... shampoo is useless in a hair test. Even special expensive pot-smoker shampoo. The point of the hair test is to test the follicle.
never ever heard of a hair test... makes no sense... pretty expenseve and time consuming. They piss test you for jobs. Hair test are for courts and dead people.
sorry mis indy but you have no idea what you are talking about. when you are given a hair drug test they test the shaft of your hair. the person giving the test goes to the back of your head and cuts about an inch of your hair off. they do not pull out a your hair to reach the follicle. thus you can use special shampoo for a hair drug test.
To my knowledge, no US bank uses hair tests.
Ke18sb, I took a hair test for the government that included a follicle and the entire length of the hair. Perhaps there are also some less accurate ones out there that don't take the follicle, but mine did.
However, that's moot, as banks aren't going to give hair tests anyway.
Miss Ind you are somewhat correct and somewhat mistaken. The shaft of each section of hair contains information on intoxicating agents. as the hair grows out, this information remains in the shaft. Therefore if you smoked longer than three months ago, it wouldn't be included in the test because each month is roughly equivalent to .5 inch of hair. 99.9% of standard hair tests only test the first 1.5 inches (three months), therefore is they are looking at the follicle that just means usage was more recent. They do not test beyond 1.5 inches because that becomes too expensive, generally speaking.
You got served! It's on!
I know of at least 2 banks that are going to hair tests this year.
which ones are those??
I smoke pot occassionally too but I know it can't be detected in Urine after even a week or so, as long you drink a lot of water.
As for hair tests, anyone trying to even touch a hair on my head is getting laid out.
Hahah, Popping manages to scare the crap out of the potheads every time. You'd figure people would know he's screwing around by now.
What is going on, is he just fucking with me! Can't somebody giveme some serious information out there?
Noone's gonna hair test you so stop getting so hysterical. And if they so much as even try, just refuse point blank, say it violates your civil liberties. If you're a minority, then claim it's racism.
How do you know this?
if you're that worried...shave your head...you can deal with the embarrassment of it for a bit if it means you'll actually get the job.
I know because they've never done it before and they have no reason to start now.
I'm a going to be a summer analyst at a BB. Are you sure enough that i shouldnt even ask questions?
Look, trust me, I smoke myself and I'm gonna be starting fulltime in June, I'm not worried at all about the urine test and I'm confident that they won't hair test me.
Now, I'm 99.9% sure they won't hair test because it's unheard of, but if you're still scared then go ahead and shave your head, become a skinhead.
and I'm going to Amsterdam in a couple of weeks, and there's about a 99% chance I'm going to get high as shit. Then I'll come back, make sure not to smoke again before the summer, and shave all my hair off. Don't be so worried.
what bank are you starting at
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