Duke vs Queen's Commerce

Advice on where to go? Cost is a minimal factor, although I did win a major Chancellor's scholarship at QC.

Duke unfortunately releases minimal statistics. I can see that it is recruited well (GS, etc. in top employers, high % into finance) but can anyone guesstimate, or even better have insider info of, the actual number of BB and top consulting jobs (Bain, McKinsey, etc) Duke grads normally get?

It's really hard comparing Duke to my other option, Queen's University's Commerce, where at least they release concrete evidence of some top placements.

Comments (35)

Apr 19, 2011

Duke. I'm a big defender of Canada on this site but Duke is great school and I'd even take it over Ivey which places significantly better than QC. Congrats.

"Until and unless you discover that money is the root of all good, you ask for your own destruction. When money ceases to become the means by which men deal with one another, then men become the tools of other men. Blood, whips and guns or dollars."

Apr 19, 2011

Hey there. In my opinion, you should go with Duke, because of the Liberal Arts curriculum and the undergraduate experience.

I'm in a similar predicament. I hope you can help me out too. :)

Apr 19, 2011

Also, even though they don't release concrete statistics, Duke has a vast and loyal alumni network (more so than Queen's) which can present a lot of advantages come recruiting time.

Apr 19, 2011

Duke. Congrats and enjoy.

Proboscis

Apr 19, 2011

Duke. Seriously. Also, the Career Center linked me this earlier in the year. Prob helpful to you. GS is #2 employer, MS, BoA, etc. all appear often.

And on a personal note, I do not know a single one of my friends (I'm a junior at Duke) who has an internship in the Back Office, so it's not like these numbers are false for what you want. It seems that everyone wants to do IB here (like every Econ major and other majors too) and it's a top 10 college in the U.S.

Not to be annoying, but I obviously live in the U.S. and I have never heard of Queens' College. Not saying it's a bad school (may even be great for Canada IBD recruiting), but Duke>Queens. Especially if $$$$ isn't an issue. (But their FinAid is great btw.)

http://www.studentaffairs.duke.edu/career/stats

Reality hits you hard, bro...

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Apr 19, 2011

Both are good schools, but Duke is a target and Queens isn't.

Apr 19, 2011
IlliniProgrammer:

Both are good schools, but Duke is a target and Queens isn't.

Queen's isn't a target? The annual report from Queen's shows recruitment from several BBs and major employers.
http://business.queensu.ca/ConversionDocs/commerce...
PS: I am only questioning this for the sake of argument!

Apr 19, 2011

Well, if IP for once doesn't champion the little guy, the verdict is clear. :D

Apr 19, 2011

Go with Duke buddy.

Apr 19, 2011

Thanks for the responses everyone!

But as an international student, wouldn't I be at a disadvantage when looking for employment?

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Apr 19, 2011

No Canadian schools are targets for NYC/US

going from NYC US --> Canada= easy

going from Canada anywhere --> US = hard

Apr 19, 2011

Thanks Solidarity. Would I be at a disadvantage for employment if I returned to Canada after graduating from Duke?

Is there a significant benefit of having NYC over Toronto, if it is the same job working for the same major employer? What about consulting, where there is so much traveling anyways?

Apr 19, 2011

I feel that even if you want to return to Canada, getting an American degree (from a great school BTW) would be great for 1) the experience and 2) the opportunities afterwards.

I know more than a few Canadians who did 1-2 years in NY and returned to Canada afterwards. They all talk positively about the experience from a career perspective.

Apr 19, 2011

yup, American degrees tend to have more clout. This is true for other countries as well (i.e. 1-2 yrs in NYC--> Hong Kong, Sydney, etc). They actually prefer NYC experience first.

It's also easier leveraging offers from NYC to other locations. A friend from Ivey/McGill/UT who summered at BarCap in NYC easily landed offers at GS Toronto and Evercore NYC. It's worth it.

Apr 19, 2011

My first job would be to GET that NYC job from someone actually willing to sponsor an international D:

But would the Duke career services/fairs/OCR be helpful in getting a job in Canada from GS, BarCap etc. right after graduation? Or would missing out on the Canadian OCR leave me miles behind for a Canadian job?

Apr 19, 2011

There is no OCR for Canadian firms at Duke that I know of. I guess ou could specify Toronto on ur BB app, but that's honestly retarded IMHO.

Reality hits you hard, bro...

Apr 19, 2011

Okay. Could I assume BB's don't mind that I am an international student?

Apr 20, 2011

I'd say Duke

Apr 20, 2011

Duke just watch out for gapped tooth minority strippers.

If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses - Henry Ford

Apr 20, 2011

I congratulate you for being on top of your shit and applying to both Duke and Queen's. When I was in high school, not myself or any of my friends thought about applying to Duke. Some went to other top US schools but not a place like Duke.

The point is your going to get a great education, better recruiting than anywhere in Canada, REAL college sports, tons of hot drunk girls. Overall the package Duke offers no school in Canada could match from academic and student life perspective.

Now just be smart enough to accept Duke and enjoy your next 4 years.

I would not make college decisions based on visa issues, if Ivey/Queen's kids still getting jobs in NYC this year (which they are). Coming from Duke you will have an advantage over any other Canadian.

Apr 19, 2011

Thank you so much everyone!
I'm officially a Blue Devil :)

Apr 24, 2011
StarsAligned:

Thank you so much everyone!
I'm officially a Blue Devil :)

That's sick dude. Wish I applied to American schools/knew about investment banking in high school.
Good luck.

Apr 24, 2011
bankforyourbuck:
StarsAligned:

Thank you so much everyone!
I'm officially a Blue Devil :)

That's sick dude. Wish I applied to American schools/new about investment banking in high school.
Good luck.

Seeing as how you're at UofT and not at Ivey or Queen's, you wouldn't have gotten into American schools anyways. so your "wish" is not even a hindsight. Just a fantasy.

Apr 19, 2011
bankforyourbuck:
StarsAligned:

Thank you so much everyone!
I'm officially a Blue Devil :)

That's sick dude. Wish I applied to American schools/knew about investment banking in high school.
Good luck.

Thanks bro! :D
And ignore the haters ; )

Apr 24, 2011

I call troll. Nobody in their right mind would ask "DUKE VS QC". Especially not someone who got accepted to Duke.

Apr 24, 2011
God of the Orient:

I call troll. Nobody in their right mind would ask "DUKE VS QC". Especially not someone who got accepted to Duke.

+1.

Clearly a troll. The QC first year curriculum involves learning how to send a fu*king email and dicking around with investopedia.

I win here, I win there...

Apr 24, 2011

you better go to Queen's if you got the scholarship... why the fuck would you waste your time applying for it if you weren't 100% sure you wanted to go there already? Now thats $36,000 wasted that could have gone to a kid who didn't get the scholarship but is quite deserving and grateful.

Apr 24, 2011
bankster:

you better go to Queen's if you got the scholarship... why the fuck would you waste your time applying for it if you weren't 100% sure you wanted to go there already? Now thats $36,000 wasted that could have gone to a kid who didn't get the scholarship but is quite deserving and grateful.

We are talking about Duke vs. Queen's. Not Ivey vs. Queen's or McGill vs. Queen's.

Apr 19, 2011
bankster:

you better go to Queen's if you got the scholarship... why the fuck would you waste your time applying for it if you weren't 100% sure you wanted to go there already? Now thats $36,000 wasted that could have gone to a kid who didn't get the scholarship but is quite deserving and grateful.

Oh, come off it. I hate that attitude, someone who puts the effort and time into getting the quantitative stats and qualitative aspects of an application for anything down well enough to earn them an offer (be it admission to a college, a scholarship offer, an internship offer, or full-time placement) damn well deserves whatever it was because simply they earned it. Their candidacy was better than yours or whoever else's, plain and simple.

It's just like how the same best kids field offers from multiple banks while a lot of others struggle to find any. If they're good enough, they deserve it. Don't shit on someone because they wanted to make sure they had at least one option and wound up with multiple.

Apr 19, 2011

Thanks A Posse Ad Esse :)

@bankster: how would I have known that I would win the scholarship? How would I have known that I would be accepted to a US university in a year of record-high applications and record-low admission rates? Please be a little more understanding.

Apr 24, 2011

Pride of unionville

Apr 24, 2011

i apologize for my harsh attitude, it stems solely from my envy. I wish you all the best in your future endeavors. I am simply bitter that I didn't recieve the scholarship when I felt I dererved it, thats all.

Dec 17, 2012

The exiting QC class of 2012 had 6 students hired full-time by Goldman. 5 went to NYC, 1 to Toronto.